1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:08,466 2 00:00:08,466 --> 00:00:12,055 SPEAKER 1: Good afternoon. 3 00:00:12,055 --> 00:00:16,100 I want to welcome you to "In the Political Crossfires." 4 00:00:16,100 --> 00:00:18,860 It's a panel that we put together. 5 00:00:18,860 --> 00:00:21,750 One of the things in planning this particular General 6 00:00:21,750 --> 00:00:25,730 Assembly and wanting to involve as many local people 7 00:00:25,730 --> 00:00:29,520 as we could, we realized that we weren't going to be able to 8 00:00:29,520 --> 00:00:33,100 give individual time slots to everybody that we wanted to 9 00:00:33,100 --> 00:00:36,000 have share with you all some of their experiences. 10 00:00:36,000 --> 00:00:38,270 So we put together this panel. 11 00:00:38,270 --> 00:00:40,740 Our plan this afternoon, because I know it's down in 12 00:00:40,740 --> 00:00:43,990 two slots, is to have our presenters-- 13 00:00:43,990 --> 00:00:46,520 three out of the five of whom are sitting before you-- 14 00:00:46,520 --> 00:00:49,170 talk for 10 to 15 minutes, tell you their stories and 15 00:00:49,170 --> 00:00:51,980 their involvements with the community, and then move into 16 00:00:51,980 --> 00:00:53,510 the questions and answers. 17 00:00:53,510 --> 00:00:55,870 We'll take the break, which I think is scheduled-- 18 00:00:55,870 --> 00:00:56,270 what is it? 19 00:00:56,270 --> 00:01:00,755 3:15 to 4:45, I think, is when it's scheduled for, or 20 00:01:00,755 --> 00:01:01,840 something like that. 21 00:01:01,840 --> 00:01:02,145 4:30. 22 00:01:02,145 --> 00:01:04,103 It's 4:30 and then we restart at 5:00, I 23 00:01:04,103 --> 00:01:06,570 think, is what it is. 24 00:01:06,570 --> 00:01:09,020 Our plan is to, really, in the second part do more 25 00:01:09,020 --> 00:01:11,050 conversation and questions and answers. 26 00:01:11,050 --> 00:01:13,440 If the audience changes a little, we may do a little 27 00:01:13,440 --> 00:01:15,410 recap for you. 28 00:01:15,410 --> 00:01:19,320 So it is not going to be a repeat of the same thing in 29 00:01:19,320 --> 00:01:23,480 the second part, is what I wanted to let people know. 30 00:01:23,480 --> 00:01:26,110 So again, welcome to "In the Political Crossfire." We also 31 00:01:26,110 --> 00:01:29,180 want to let you know that we have Spanish language 32 00:01:29,180 --> 00:01:42,140 interpretation going on. 33 00:01:42,140 --> 00:02:22,200 SPEAKER 2: [SPEAKING SPANISH] 34 00:02:22,200 --> 00:02:26,900 SPEAKER 1: So we are all here. 35 00:02:26,900 --> 00:02:29,750 We're going to start with Todd Landfried, who is the 36 00:02:29,750 --> 00:02:31,680 executive director of the Arizona Employers for 37 00:02:31,680 --> 00:02:34,320 Immigration Reform. 38 00:02:34,320 --> 00:02:39,170 Over the couple of years that I've known Todd and his work, 39 00:02:39,170 --> 00:02:42,490 I've really never known anybody who has his hand on 40 00:02:42,490 --> 00:02:47,160 the facts and the figures of what the issues of migration 41 00:02:47,160 --> 00:02:50,010 and laws in various states means. 42 00:02:50,010 --> 00:02:51,700 In fact, 43 00:02:51,700 --> 00:02:56,010 Todd has traveled around the country giving testimony 44 00:02:56,010 --> 00:03:00,300 before legislators in several different states, as I recall. 45 00:03:00,300 --> 00:03:03,550 I'm not sure what the count is up to. 46 00:03:03,550 --> 00:03:05,770 I think Lydia actually just came and actually joined him 47 00:03:05,770 --> 00:03:09,190 at one or two of them, if I recall correctly. 48 00:03:09,190 --> 00:03:14,660 And I think in some ways, telling the Arizona story to 49 00:03:14,660 --> 00:03:18,600 other legislatures really did have some impact on either 50 00:03:18,600 --> 00:03:21,560 modifying or even cutting short some of the state 51 00:03:21,560 --> 00:03:24,930 legislatures this past year when they heard the impact, 52 00:03:24,930 --> 00:03:27,810 particularly the impact on the business community with whom 53 00:03:27,810 --> 00:03:29,090 Todd works with. 54 00:03:29,090 --> 00:03:31,780 And too often we hear, I think, when we're dealing with 55 00:03:31,780 --> 00:03:36,400 issues like that, we tend to be in the either/or position 56 00:03:36,400 --> 00:03:38,810 about who are the good guys and who are the bad guys. 57 00:03:38,810 --> 00:03:41,730 And I think it's important for us to hear the story of how 58 00:03:41,730 --> 00:03:44,390 Todd works within the business community to be really 59 00:03:44,390 --> 00:03:49,180 supportive of a broader vision of what we're doing when it 60 00:03:49,180 --> 00:03:51,000 comes to migration and border issues. 61 00:03:51,000 --> 00:03:58,300 So Todd, welcome. 62 00:03:58,300 --> 00:04:03,060 TODD LANDFRIED: OK, good afternoon, everybody. 63 00:04:03,060 --> 00:04:09,750 While I'm waiting for the projector to wake up, just out 64 00:04:09,750 --> 00:04:12,470 of curiosity, how many people here think you have a good 65 00:04:12,470 --> 00:04:17,190 grasp of the facts of immigration into the country? 66 00:04:17,190 --> 00:04:18,180 What are the impacts? 67 00:04:18,180 --> 00:04:20,329 If you think you have a good grasp, raise your hand 68 00:04:20,329 --> 00:04:21,750 high so I can see. 69 00:04:21,750 --> 00:04:23,680 As you get older, I'm sure you know your eyes 70 00:04:23,680 --> 00:04:26,050 don't work as well. 71 00:04:26,050 --> 00:04:27,980 OK, there's a few of you. 72 00:04:27,980 --> 00:04:31,140 How many of you would like to know more? 73 00:04:31,140 --> 00:04:33,520 OK. 74 00:04:33,520 --> 00:04:37,340 My kind of crowd. 75 00:04:37,340 --> 00:04:41,650 I'm going to go through this somewhat quickly, because 76 00:04:41,650 --> 00:04:43,910 there's an awful lot of ground that I want to cover here in a 77 00:04:43,910 --> 00:04:46,180 very short period of time. 78 00:04:46,180 --> 00:04:49,030 But I just want you to know that at the end of my 79 00:04:49,030 --> 00:04:52,980 presentation, there's a slide that has our website on it, 80 00:04:52,980 --> 00:04:58,670 which is www.azeir.org, that really is a pretty good 81 00:04:58,670 --> 00:05:02,700 resource for information, a lot of which you're 82 00:05:02,700 --> 00:05:04,130 going to see today. 83 00:05:04,130 --> 00:05:07,550 Typically, what I do is, when I give a talk, I will go out 84 00:05:07,550 --> 00:05:11,140 and I will post this presentation online so you all 85 00:05:11,140 --> 00:05:15,480 can go back and see it again or refer it to other people. 86 00:05:15,480 --> 00:05:20,500 We are very generous in how we share our information. 87 00:05:20,500 --> 00:05:24,765 We just say that, if you use it and steal it, that you at 88 00:05:24,765 --> 00:05:29,350 least give us a little credit for it. 89 00:05:29,350 --> 00:05:30,860 Closer to the mic? 90 00:05:30,860 --> 00:05:35,560 How's that? 91 00:05:35,560 --> 00:05:38,358 OK. 92 00:05:38,358 --> 00:05:41,240 God, I wish this could come a little closer. 93 00:05:41,240 --> 00:05:44,340 Anyway, so let me get started here. 94 00:05:44,340 --> 00:05:48,260 What I was asked to talk about is to really give you guys a 95 00:05:48,260 --> 00:05:52,180 quick overview of what the real facts are regarding to 96 00:05:52,180 --> 00:05:58,110 immigration, particularly with regards to the politics of all 97 00:05:58,110 --> 00:05:59,870 this stuff. 98 00:05:59,870 --> 00:06:02,520 Mark Twain famously said, it's not what you don't know that 99 00:06:02,520 --> 00:06:05,830 gets you into trouble, it's what you know for sure that 100 00:06:05,830 --> 00:06:07,500 just ain't so. 101 00:06:07,500 --> 00:06:11,990 And if there's any issue that this has any relevance to, 102 00:06:11,990 --> 00:06:14,630 it's certainly the issue of immigration. 103 00:06:14,630 --> 00:06:17,760 So you have to ask at some point, how did we 104 00:06:17,760 --> 00:06:19,240 get into this mess? 105 00:06:19,240 --> 00:06:25,440 How did we get to this point where we have so much division 106 00:06:25,440 --> 00:06:29,520 in our country, and in our towns and in our communities, 107 00:06:29,520 --> 00:06:31,250 on the immigration issue? 108 00:06:31,250 --> 00:06:33,770 I think it's really fairly simple. 109 00:06:33,770 --> 00:06:37,980 You've got partisanship, ideology, and fear raise 110 00:06:37,980 --> 00:06:39,400 people's emotions. 111 00:06:39,400 --> 00:06:42,860 You've got mis-distortions and, a lot of times, as you'll 112 00:06:42,860 --> 00:06:46,560 see in a moment, outright lies framing the issue. 113 00:06:46,560 --> 00:06:50,280 You've got rhetoric that makes scapegoats out of government, 114 00:06:50,280 --> 00:06:55,090 employees, workers, families, Dream Act kids-- 115 00:06:55,090 --> 00:06:57,110 pick somebody-- 116 00:06:57,110 --> 00:06:59,970 that generally intimidates them into silence. 117 00:06:59,970 --> 00:07:03,620 And we've seen that just in spades here in Arizona. 118 00:07:03,620 --> 00:07:08,070 So what happens, then, is people get polarized along 119 00:07:08,070 --> 00:07:13,110 these moral, ethic, and economic grounds. 120 00:07:13,110 --> 00:07:15,630 And so what we've done is effectively-- 121 00:07:15,630 --> 00:07:17,710 and I think this is part of the idea-- 122 00:07:17,710 --> 00:07:21,370 we've created immigration to be this third-rail issue, 123 00:07:21,370 --> 00:07:25,010 where anybody who disagrees with what the status quo is, 124 00:07:25,010 --> 00:07:28,810 or what the politicians believe, gets shouted down, 125 00:07:28,810 --> 00:07:31,240 and anybody who wants to suggest some other kind of 126 00:07:31,240 --> 00:07:35,015 solution, it all gets pushed aside. 127 00:07:35,015 --> 00:07:36,440 AUDIENCE: [INAUDIBLE] 128 00:07:36,440 --> 00:07:38,550 TODD LANDFRIED: Sure. 129 00:07:38,550 --> 00:07:41,230 Now I love this quote. 130 00:07:41,230 --> 00:07:43,970 The salient characteristic of current debate on US 131 00:07:43,970 --> 00:07:47,820 immigration policy is a high ratio of hot air to data. 132 00:07:47,820 --> 00:07:49,120 And it's really true. 133 00:07:49,120 --> 00:07:54,210 And that's a huge screen and you probably aren't going to 134 00:07:54,210 --> 00:07:56,890 be able to see many of these at all. 135 00:07:56,890 --> 00:07:59,830 But anyway, this is a State Senator Russell Pearce, or 136 00:07:59,830 --> 00:08:06,010 former Senator, and this is a quote that he made during the 137 00:08:06,010 --> 00:08:09,360 2010 election, where he talks about the number of illegal 138 00:08:09,360 --> 00:08:11,680 immigrants who murder Americans each year. 139 00:08:11,680 --> 00:08:15,230 He says it's like 9,000, which is nuts, because if you 140 00:08:15,230 --> 00:08:18,420 actually look at the real statistics, there's 14,000 141 00:08:18,420 --> 00:08:20,500 murders in the United States each year. 142 00:08:20,500 --> 00:08:23,400 So what he's suggesting is that undocumented immigrants 143 00:08:23,400 --> 00:08:25,480 commit 61% of the murders in the United 144 00:08:25,480 --> 00:08:28,260 States, which is absurd. 145 00:08:28,260 --> 00:08:33,590 But anyway, if you could see, it says, 146 00:08:33,590 --> 00:08:35,659 "inconclusive" in there. 147 00:08:35,659 --> 00:08:38,320 So a year later during his recall, he 148 00:08:38,320 --> 00:08:39,909 made the same statement. 149 00:08:39,909 --> 00:08:42,669 And you would think that, if someone catches you saying 150 00:08:42,669 --> 00:08:45,630 something that's not true or inconclusive, you would be a 151 00:08:45,630 --> 00:08:48,650 conscientious public official and go and research it and 152 00:08:48,650 --> 00:08:50,540 find out what the real statement is. 153 00:08:50,540 --> 00:08:51,530 But not Russell. 154 00:08:51,530 --> 00:08:53,730 So he said the same thing again. 155 00:08:53,730 --> 00:08:58,130 Now it really doesn't matter. 156 00:08:58,130 --> 00:09:01,950 Just everything that's out there says inconclusive, 157 00:09:01,950 --> 00:09:05,610 unsupported, or false. 158 00:09:05,610 --> 00:09:09,020 Now I'm really big on quotes. 159 00:09:09,020 --> 00:09:09,830 I like this one too. 160 00:09:09,830 --> 00:09:12,050 A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth gets 161 00:09:12,050 --> 00:09:13,230 its boots on. 162 00:09:13,230 --> 00:09:17,270 And when you're talking about politics, once some message 163 00:09:17,270 --> 00:09:21,400 gets out there that people lob onto, and people get elected 164 00:09:21,400 --> 00:09:25,580 on it, it's like flies to you-know-what. 165 00:09:25,580 --> 00:09:28,380 And so they start adopting it. 166 00:09:28,380 --> 00:09:32,650 And so what we've seen is politicians around the country 167 00:09:32,650 --> 00:09:36,430 are adopting these same kinds of statements. 168 00:09:36,430 --> 00:09:39,950 And as you can kind of see up there-- this is from 169 00:09:39,950 --> 00:09:40,970 PolitiFact. 170 00:09:40,970 --> 00:09:42,900 They have a true/false meter. 171 00:09:42,900 --> 00:09:44,560 These are all false. 172 00:09:44,560 --> 00:09:48,350 And these are statements like, illegal immigrants cost the 173 00:09:48,350 --> 00:09:51,490 state taxpayer $3 billion a year. 174 00:09:51,490 --> 00:09:53,770 You hear that stuff across a lot of States, but there's 175 00:09:53,770 --> 00:09:57,660 really no information at all, no supporting data for that. 176 00:09:57,660 --> 00:09:59,000 They're making it up. 177 00:09:59,000 --> 00:10:02,140 Now this next batch-- 178 00:10:02,140 --> 00:10:08,380 these are the pants-on-fire lies. 179 00:10:08,380 --> 00:10:11,690 Like the one from Russell down on the bottom says 61% of 180 00:10:11,690 --> 00:10:15,130 Hispanics support Arizona's immigration law, which isn't 181 00:10:15,130 --> 00:10:16,310 even close. 182 00:10:16,310 --> 00:10:17,800 It's not even close. 183 00:10:17,800 --> 00:10:19,170 But again, it's these things. 184 00:10:19,170 --> 00:10:24,970 Phoenix is the number two murder capital of the world. 185 00:10:24,970 --> 00:10:29,350 Rick Perry's up there saying that the federal government 186 00:10:29,350 --> 00:10:32,110 has not done anything in border security in the last 187 00:10:32,110 --> 00:10:33,490 three years. 188 00:10:33,490 --> 00:10:34,930 It's all false. 189 00:10:34,930 --> 00:10:41,100 So what I did was I went and looked at the newspaper 190 00:10:41,100 --> 00:10:43,690 organizations who track this true/false stuff. 191 00:10:43,690 --> 00:10:45,590 And I just tallied them all up. 192 00:10:45,590 --> 00:10:49,580 Now you can see along the top here, pants-on-fire false, 193 00:10:49,580 --> 00:10:52,410 mostly false, half-true, mostly-true, true. 194 00:10:52,410 --> 00:10:53,540 Now let me ask a question. 195 00:10:53,540 --> 00:10:57,380 Raise your hand if you watch lawyer shows on TV, or have 196 00:10:57,380 --> 00:10:59,390 watched one in the past. 197 00:10:59,390 --> 00:11:03,000 Like Perry Mason, CRIS or whatever they are. 198 00:11:03,000 --> 00:11:04,220 I don't watch those things. 199 00:11:04,220 --> 00:11:06,710 My wife does, I don't. 200 00:11:06,710 --> 00:11:12,115 But anyway, so when they put somebody on the stand to swear 201 00:11:12,115 --> 00:11:16,190 them, they swear to tell the truth, the whole truth, and 202 00:11:16,190 --> 00:11:17,990 nothing but the truth, right? 203 00:11:17,990 --> 00:11:20,910 They don't swear to tell the truth, mostly the truth, or 204 00:11:20,910 --> 00:11:22,620 half of the truth. 205 00:11:22,620 --> 00:11:25,820 And so what's wrong with holding politicians to the 206 00:11:25,820 --> 00:11:28,460 same standard that we've used for our legal system? 207 00:11:28,460 --> 00:11:33,530 And when you look at that, nearly 90% of the statements 208 00:11:33,530 --> 00:11:35,600 that they make are false. 209 00:11:35,600 --> 00:11:39,200 That's 9 out of 10, they're wrong. 210 00:11:39,200 --> 00:11:41,630 Now if you look at statements that are 211 00:11:41,630 --> 00:11:42,700 made here in Arizona-- 212 00:11:42,700 --> 00:11:44,520 this is AZ Fact Check, for those of you 213 00:11:44,520 --> 00:11:45,210 that live in Arizona. 214 00:11:45,210 --> 00:11:49,220 That's our local newspaper, the Arizona Republic. 215 00:11:49,220 --> 00:11:52,220 The false statements coming from Arizona politicians on 216 00:11:52,220 --> 00:11:55,480 immigration are wrong, flat-out, stone-cold false, 217 00:11:55,480 --> 00:11:57,360 60% of the time. 218 00:11:57,360 --> 00:11:59,860 Across all of them, it's almost 92% of the 219 00:11:59,860 --> 00:12:02,490 time they're wrong. 220 00:12:02,490 --> 00:12:07,660 Again, that's 9 times out of 10, they're false. 221 00:12:07,660 --> 00:12:12,880 Now what kind of public policy can one possibly hope to get 222 00:12:12,880 --> 00:12:16,240 out of statements and out of beliefs of politicians that 223 00:12:16,240 --> 00:12:19,040 are wrong 9 times out of 10. 224 00:12:19,040 --> 00:12:19,940 Put yourself an in their shoes. 225 00:12:19,940 --> 00:12:24,420 If you're a CEO, or even in your churches, if you had 226 00:12:24,420 --> 00:12:27,600 somebody who you really relied on to give you good 227 00:12:27,600 --> 00:12:33,125 information, if they came back and said, well, gee, it's x, 228 00:12:33,125 --> 00:12:37,570 y, or z, and 9 times out of 10, they were wrong, would you 229 00:12:37,570 --> 00:12:40,800 keep them around? 230 00:12:40,800 --> 00:12:43,450 The greatest threat to democracy, and I believe this, 231 00:12:43,450 --> 00:12:46,590 is having a public that thinks it's fully informed but really 232 00:12:46,590 --> 00:12:47,880 isn't informed at all. 233 00:12:47,880 --> 00:12:50,560 And I want to show you a couple examples of this. 234 00:12:50,560 --> 00:12:52,630 I call this the birthright fallacy. 235 00:12:52,630 --> 00:12:55,110 This is this whole 14th Amendment silliness. 236 00:12:55,110 --> 00:12:59,590 What you see here-- these are the timelines for a US citizen 237 00:12:59,590 --> 00:13:01,810 to bring a foreign-born spouse, minor, child, or 238 00:13:01,810 --> 00:13:03,500 sibling into the country. 239 00:13:03,500 --> 00:13:05,720 So it's three years, seven years, 22 years. 240 00:13:05,720 --> 00:13:08,560 Now what the argument is, is that by having a baby in the 241 00:13:08,560 --> 00:13:11,470 United States, they're somehow kicked to the front of the 242 00:13:11,470 --> 00:13:16,400 line in terms of sponsoring a parent or sibling into the 243 00:13:16,400 --> 00:13:17,630 United States. 244 00:13:17,630 --> 00:13:21,860 Well, first of all, the law is that you're ineligible to do 245 00:13:21,860 --> 00:13:23,985 that until you're the age of 21. 246 00:13:23,985 --> 00:13:25,130 You can't do it. 247 00:13:25,130 --> 00:13:27,030 You can't file paperwork, you can't do anything. 248 00:13:27,030 --> 00:13:29,430 You have to be 21 years old. 249 00:13:29,430 --> 00:13:32,590 Then there's a mandatory 10-year wait outside of the 250 00:13:32,590 --> 00:13:36,800 country if the person you're trying to bring in was in the 251 00:13:36,800 --> 00:13:38,010 country for more than a year. 252 00:13:38,010 --> 00:13:41,270 It's three years if they were in for less than a year. 253 00:13:41,270 --> 00:13:44,510 Then on top of that, you have the regular wait. 254 00:13:44,510 --> 00:13:49,810 So if you're trying to bring a parent in from a child who was 255 00:13:49,810 --> 00:13:53,650 born in the United States, you're waiting 38 years. 256 00:13:53,650 --> 00:13:57,260 Now I love raising the hands, so raise your hand if your 257 00:13:57,260 --> 00:14:01,720 family has a 38-year plan. 258 00:14:01,720 --> 00:14:02,740 Nobody? 259 00:14:02,740 --> 00:14:03,970 Come on. 260 00:14:03,970 --> 00:14:04,890 OK. 261 00:14:04,890 --> 00:14:07,540 For a sibling, it's 53 years. 262 00:14:07,540 --> 00:14:09,500 Now I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that if you 263 00:14:09,500 --> 00:14:11,580 don't have a 38-year plan, you probably don't 264 00:14:11,580 --> 00:14:13,520 have a 53-year plan. 265 00:14:13,520 --> 00:14:17,920 Now add on top of that the age of the parent. 266 00:14:17,920 --> 00:14:20,440 So very likely it's never. 267 00:14:20,440 --> 00:14:24,700 But two, there are much faster ways and quicker ways to 268 00:14:24,700 --> 00:14:27,790 become a citizen than going through this process. 269 00:14:27,790 --> 00:14:32,120 So it's just a nuts fallacy and more people need to be 270 00:14:32,120 --> 00:14:36,830 talking about it, because it just doesn't make any sense. 271 00:14:36,830 --> 00:14:39,000 When you talk about the economics, these are things 272 00:14:39,000 --> 00:14:41,930 that are reported around here. 273 00:14:41,930 --> 00:14:45,060 Education costs, they say it's $810 million. 274 00:14:45,060 --> 00:14:48,000 A recent study shows it's really $379 million. 275 00:14:48,000 --> 00:14:49,720 But you've got to remember, a lot of 276 00:14:49,720 --> 00:14:52,260 these kids are US citizens. 277 00:14:52,260 --> 00:14:54,660 They're entitled to the education. 278 00:14:54,660 --> 00:14:55,860 We're not giving them anything special. 279 00:14:55,860 --> 00:14:57,750 They're entitled to it. 280 00:14:57,750 --> 00:15:00,520 So that's an exaggeration of 214%. 281 00:15:00,520 --> 00:15:02,900 Health care costs-- they say it's $400 million in Arizona. 282 00:15:02,900 --> 00:15:04,050 It's really $24 million. 283 00:15:04,050 --> 00:15:05,310 Why? 284 00:15:05,310 --> 00:15:08,460 Because they don't go to hospitals and they're not 285 00:15:08,460 --> 00:15:10,510 clogging up emergency rooms, because they 286 00:15:10,510 --> 00:15:13,860 don't want to get caught. 287 00:15:13,860 --> 00:15:15,550 People don't think about this stuff. 288 00:15:15,550 --> 00:15:17,060 The same thing with tax payments. 289 00:15:17,060 --> 00:15:20,660 They say they only pay in $257 million, but the actual number 290 00:15:20,660 --> 00:15:25,020 is $2.84 billion. 291 00:15:25,020 --> 00:15:27,130 You get into the crime fallacies. 292 00:15:27,130 --> 00:15:29,270 You hear all the time they're creating all the crime, all 293 00:15:29,270 --> 00:15:30,250 this other stuff. 294 00:15:30,250 --> 00:15:34,990 There's really no data at all to support that claim at all. 295 00:15:34,990 --> 00:15:38,100 There just really isn't. 296 00:15:38,100 --> 00:15:39,860 Hate crimes-- this is an increasing 297 00:15:39,860 --> 00:15:41,150 problem in this country. 298 00:15:41,150 --> 00:15:45,770 We're told it's not a problem, but it's up 68% in the last 299 00:15:45,770 --> 00:15:47,170 couple years. 300 00:15:47,170 --> 00:15:50,710 Identity theft, they all steal your identity, right? 301 00:15:50,710 --> 00:15:52,280 Isn't that what we're told? 302 00:15:52,280 --> 00:15:53,460 They all steal your identity. 303 00:15:53,460 --> 00:15:56,900 If you go look at the data from the Arizona Department of 304 00:15:56,900 --> 00:16:01,320 Corrections, it's less than 2% of the people who are in there 305 00:16:01,320 --> 00:16:03,460 for identity theft. 306 00:16:03,460 --> 00:16:05,650 How does that work? 307 00:16:05,650 --> 00:16:09,950 So people have to start questioning these facts. 308 00:16:09,950 --> 00:16:15,710 Ken referred to the fact that I had been talking at various 309 00:16:15,710 --> 00:16:17,500 legislatures around the country. 310 00:16:17,500 --> 00:16:20,010 And these are the types of information that we gave them. 311 00:16:20,010 --> 00:16:23,070 So let me give you a little review to show you how popular 312 00:16:23,070 --> 00:16:25,400 SB 1070-type laws are. 313 00:16:25,400 --> 00:16:30,630 In 2011, 1,592 immigration-related laws were 314 00:16:30,630 --> 00:16:32,530 introduced in the United States. 315 00:16:32,530 --> 00:16:34,810 162 passed. 316 00:16:34,810 --> 00:16:37,180 That's a success rate of 10%. 317 00:16:37,180 --> 00:16:42,870 Put another way, 90% of them failed. 318 00:16:42,870 --> 00:16:46,920 Now, I guess only in politics does a 90% failure rate equate 319 00:16:46,920 --> 00:16:49,410 to success. 320 00:16:49,410 --> 00:16:55,670 But that's what they want you to believe. 321 00:16:55,670 --> 00:17:00,310 30 SB1070 copycat laws were introduced in 2011. 322 00:17:00,310 --> 00:17:01,630 Five passed. 323 00:17:01,630 --> 00:17:07,380 That's a 16% success rate, 84% failure rate. 324 00:17:07,380 --> 00:17:10,230 Now we've been down this street before. 325 00:17:10,230 --> 00:17:13,750 Anybody who's been a student of immigration law will know 326 00:17:13,750 --> 00:17:17,040 that the Chinese Exclusion Act-- 327 00:17:17,040 --> 00:17:20,150 I mean, these are just a couple of examples. 328 00:17:20,150 --> 00:17:22,609 The Bracero Program is one that people keep 329 00:17:22,609 --> 00:17:23,650 [? touting. ?] 330 00:17:23,650 --> 00:17:29,070 But since 2007, these restrictive immigration laws 331 00:17:29,070 --> 00:17:31,830 have come in favor again. 332 00:17:31,830 --> 00:17:34,210 Typically there's one person or one community group that's 333 00:17:34,210 --> 00:17:36,860 all behind it. 334 00:17:36,860 --> 00:17:42,400 They all rely on the same bad data that we just showed. 335 00:17:42,400 --> 00:17:50,150 But let's see how it's working this time. 336 00:17:50,150 --> 00:17:54,858 Oh, someone turned the volume down. 337 00:17:54,858 --> 00:17:56,754 [VIDEO PLAYBACK] 338 00:17:56,754 --> 00:17:59,540 -It's bigger than Prince William County politics. 339 00:17:59,540 --> 00:18:03,460 That said, Prince William County has the highest 340 00:18:03,460 --> 00:18:07,165 foreclosure rate in the region. 341 00:18:07,165 --> 00:18:12,940 -The negativism that's emerged is creating long-term damage 342 00:18:12,940 --> 00:18:14,140 to those economies. 343 00:18:14,140 --> 00:18:16,090 People who have felt threatened and 344 00:18:16,090 --> 00:18:18,300 unwelcome have left. 345 00:18:18,300 --> 00:18:22,080 And there's evidence of that in declining retail sales. 346 00:18:22,080 --> 00:18:24,560 These stores generated a BPOL tax. 347 00:18:24,560 --> 00:18:26,370 They generate sales tax. 348 00:18:26,370 --> 00:18:27,670 They generate jobs. 349 00:18:27,670 --> 00:18:30,530 The housing markets where these people have lived, those 350 00:18:30,530 --> 00:18:32,630 houses generate real estate tax. 351 00:18:32,630 --> 00:18:35,540 A deteriorating house generates real estate tax than 352 00:18:35,540 --> 00:18:37,372 one that's up and running. 353 00:18:37,372 --> 00:18:40,490 -Those were the houses that were the first to go, and that 354 00:18:40,490 --> 00:18:40,950 did improve. 355 00:18:40,950 --> 00:18:44,400 But at the same time, it's pretty desperate to look down 356 00:18:44,400 --> 00:18:46,860 your street that you've lived your whole life and see almost 357 00:18:46,860 --> 00:18:48,450 half of it empty. 358 00:18:48,450 --> 00:18:52,420 -When you drive by and you see grass up to their hips, every 359 00:18:52,420 --> 00:18:55,720 time you see that, your house is going down in value. 360 00:18:55,720 --> 00:18:57,340 -There are foreclosures everywhere. 361 00:18:57,340 --> 00:18:59,470 A friend of mine who's a real estate agent said he hasn't 362 00:18:59,470 --> 00:19:02,040 shown a house to anyone except an investor looking for 363 00:19:02,040 --> 00:19:03,870 foreclosures in the last month. 364 00:19:03,870 --> 00:19:05,480 Businesses are failing. 365 00:19:05,480 --> 00:19:07,880 But to me, it's more of a human thing. 366 00:19:07,880 --> 00:19:10,800 -My grandson has lost all of his friends. 367 00:19:10,800 --> 00:19:13,850 I mean, literally everyone in the neighborhood that he used 368 00:19:13,850 --> 00:19:19,190 to play with, except for one child, has left. 369 00:19:19,190 --> 00:19:21,040 -Mailbox Junction, may I help you? 370 00:19:21,040 --> 00:19:23,120 I'm 2/3 off. 371 00:19:23,120 --> 00:19:26,010 I should have had 50 customers today, and I had 15 or 18 372 00:19:26,010 --> 00:19:28,570 customers all day. 373 00:19:28,570 --> 00:19:32,170 These predominantly Hispanic shoppers shopped in stores 374 00:19:32,170 --> 00:19:33,260 that weren't Hispanic. 375 00:19:33,260 --> 00:19:35,610 These stores operate at a very small margin. 376 00:19:35,610 --> 00:19:38,730 If you lose 10% of your sales, that may be the difference 377 00:19:38,730 --> 00:19:40,590 between success and failure. 378 00:19:40,590 --> 00:19:43,406 Investors avoid controversy. 379 00:19:43,406 --> 00:19:46,610 A controversial company loses its investors. 380 00:19:46,610 --> 00:19:49,180 It happens in local economies too. 381 00:19:49,180 --> 00:19:52,280 The slowdown in the economy is happening because of a 382 00:19:52,280 --> 00:19:54,115 national slowdown in the economy. 383 00:19:54,115 --> 00:19:58,130 In Prince William County they made it worse by targeting a 384 00:19:58,130 --> 00:20:02,330 portion of their low-income population, making it feel 385 00:20:02,330 --> 00:20:03,690 less welcome. 386 00:20:03,690 --> 00:20:06,720 They took that spending power, that tax generating power, 387 00:20:06,720 --> 00:20:10,900 that economic benefit out of the solution. 388 00:20:10,900 --> 00:20:13,230 There's going to be fewer workers, less spending, fewer 389 00:20:13,230 --> 00:20:17,010 resources, less investment behind the recovery. 390 00:20:17,010 --> 00:20:19,170 And some of that will have shifted to other places that 391 00:20:19,170 --> 00:20:24,255 seem more accommodating or friendly. 392 00:20:24,255 --> 00:20:27,440 [END VIDEO PLAYBACK] 393 00:20:27,440 --> 00:20:30,270 TODD LANDFRIED: Now if you look at the other 394 00:20:30,270 --> 00:20:32,750 jurisdictions in the country that have introduced these 395 00:20:32,750 --> 00:20:36,260 types of laws, you see the exact same kind of impact. 396 00:20:36,260 --> 00:20:38,530 The top bullet there talks about Prince William County, 397 00:20:38,530 --> 00:20:40,530 which is what that little clip was about. 398 00:20:40,530 --> 00:20:45,900 Farmer's Branch, Texas, a suburb of Dallas, spent $3.2 399 00:20:45,900 --> 00:20:49,250 million for lawyers, $5 million in settlement costs. 400 00:20:49,250 --> 00:20:51,810 Hazleton, Pennsylvania-- $1 million for lawyers, $2.4 401 00:20:51,810 --> 00:20:54,640 million in settlement costs. 402 00:20:54,640 --> 00:20:58,510 In Oklahoma, they passed a restrictive kind of precursor 403 00:20:58,510 --> 00:21:00,450 to the SB 1070 law. 404 00:21:00,450 --> 00:21:03,970 The Banker's Association did a study and found that when 405 00:21:03,970 --> 00:21:07,720 90,000 undocumented immigrants and their families left the 406 00:21:07,720 --> 00:21:13,570 state, it meant a $1.9 billion loss in the state's economy. 407 00:21:13,570 --> 00:21:17,400 Another study looked at this whole notion that we keep 408 00:21:17,400 --> 00:21:20,590 being told all the time, that they're using all these health 409 00:21:20,590 --> 00:21:21,740 benefits and stuff. 410 00:21:21,740 --> 00:21:26,510 What they found is that there's a negligible impact on 411 00:21:26,510 --> 00:21:29,180 those services, because a lot of times, they're not eligible 412 00:21:29,180 --> 00:21:33,840 for them in the first place. 413 00:21:33,840 --> 00:21:38,285 In Arizona, if you just kind of look there, $5 million to 414 00:21:38,285 --> 00:21:39,660 train law enforcement. 415 00:21:39,660 --> 00:21:45,100 $186 million loss in near-term convention and tourism events. 416 00:21:45,100 --> 00:21:49,370 A $14.4 billion loss in Arizona gross state product. 417 00:21:49,370 --> 00:21:53,610 172,000 related job losses. 418 00:21:53,610 --> 00:21:58,920 You have to ask yourself, does this sound good? 419 00:21:58,920 --> 00:22:03,600 I mean, shrinking workforce, population loss, deteriorating 420 00:22:03,600 --> 00:22:07,440 tax base, loss of jobs, all this kind of stuff. 421 00:22:07,440 --> 00:22:08,470 But you know what? 422 00:22:08,470 --> 00:22:12,290 There are some states who went ahead and did it anyway. 423 00:22:12,290 --> 00:22:14,410 I don't know what you have to show them. 424 00:22:14,410 --> 00:22:18,850 We were successful in showing Utah, Kansas, and Texas and a 425 00:22:18,850 --> 00:22:21,900 couple other states the problem. 426 00:22:21,900 --> 00:22:23,870 But these states did it anyway. 427 00:22:23,870 --> 00:22:27,320 If you look at Georgia, same thing that Arizona 428 00:22:27,320 --> 00:22:27,600 experienced. 429 00:22:27,600 --> 00:22:29,950 The same thing these other jurisdictions did. 430 00:22:29,950 --> 00:22:35,640 In fact, they felt it within days. 431 00:22:35,640 --> 00:22:40,180 It got so bad that their governor called for an 432 00:22:40,180 --> 00:22:44,620 economic impact study 14 days after he signed the bill. 433 00:22:44,620 --> 00:22:47,300 Now you would think you'd want to do an impact study before 434 00:22:47,300 --> 00:22:51,880 you signed the bill, but he did it afterwards. 435 00:22:51,880 --> 00:22:54,400 Now you've got to give the guy credit. 436 00:22:54,400 --> 00:22:56,150 He's trying to help the farmers who are saying, our 437 00:22:56,150 --> 00:22:57,440 workers are gone. 438 00:22:57,440 --> 00:23:02,070 So he suggests a program for probationers. 439 00:23:02,070 --> 00:23:06,990 As you can see up there, 14 showed up on the first day, 440 00:23:06,990 --> 00:23:08,880 and a week later seven were left. 441 00:23:08,880 --> 00:23:11,310 But they needed 11,000. 442 00:23:11,310 --> 00:23:13,910 The math doesn't work. 443 00:23:13,910 --> 00:23:19,780 Now his next idea was, let's use prison labor. 444 00:23:19,780 --> 00:23:25,600 Now you use farm implements to harvest in farms. 445 00:23:25,600 --> 00:23:28,020 And I'm just wondering, how many of you, show of hands, 446 00:23:28,020 --> 00:23:48,040 would support giving prison laborers this knife? 447 00:23:48,040 --> 00:23:50,050 It's here. 448 00:23:50,050 --> 00:23:51,380 It's a good one. 449 00:23:51,380 --> 00:23:57,360 But anyway, people say, well, they gave prison laborers 450 00:23:57,360 --> 00:23:58,840 tools before. 451 00:23:58,840 --> 00:24:04,770 But go talk to an insurance agent who insures farmers, and 452 00:24:04,770 --> 00:24:07,450 ask them what's going to happen to your insurance rates 453 00:24:07,450 --> 00:24:10,440 if you're giving people who are convicted of crimes this 454 00:24:10,440 --> 00:24:11,510 knife in your field. 455 00:24:11,510 --> 00:24:14,850 You're not going to be able to afford the policies. 456 00:24:14,850 --> 00:24:17,920 OK, I just want to wind up here quickly. 457 00:24:17,920 --> 00:24:23,310 Alabama, same kind of thing. 458 00:24:23,310 --> 00:24:32,640 It's just a persistent result. 459 00:24:32,640 --> 00:24:35,790 Here's a quiz. 460 00:24:35,790 --> 00:24:38,000 Doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a 461 00:24:38,000 --> 00:24:43,640 different result is the definition of insanity. 462 00:24:43,640 --> 00:24:44,900 Exactly right. 463 00:24:44,900 --> 00:24:47,730 So we know these attrition laws don't work. 464 00:24:47,730 --> 00:24:51,650 In fact, there's not a single published study in the United 465 00:24:51,650 --> 00:24:57,910 States that show these laws have the intended effects. 466 00:24:57,910 --> 00:24:59,020 Not one. 467 00:24:59,020 --> 00:25:02,000 Not even from the organizations that are pushing 468 00:25:02,000 --> 00:25:03,350 this stuff. 469 00:25:03,350 --> 00:25:07,180 There's no proof that it works. 470 00:25:07,180 --> 00:25:11,220 The fact that Russell Pearce was recalled and was beaten by 471 00:25:11,220 --> 00:25:13,510 a guy who argued for successful immigration 472 00:25:13,510 --> 00:25:19,170 policies should tell us that it is possible to have a 473 00:25:19,170 --> 00:25:24,280 sensible and calm discussion about immigration and the 474 00:25:24,280 --> 00:25:27,830 people will engage and listen to it. 475 00:25:27,830 --> 00:25:31,820 But federal reform, as it says up there, cannot occur without 476 00:25:31,820 --> 00:25:33,540 state and local pressure. 477 00:25:33,540 --> 00:25:35,700 So these are the things that I want you guys to take away 478 00:25:35,700 --> 00:25:37,380 with you from my talk. 479 00:25:37,380 --> 00:25:41,400 Bad data equals bad policy equals bad outcomes. 480 00:25:41,400 --> 00:25:44,340 There's boatloads of proof of that. 481 00:25:44,340 --> 00:25:48,730 Misinformation, distortions, all these things are causing 482 00:25:48,730 --> 00:25:54,070 our legislators to do things that we shouldn't be doing for 483 00:25:54,070 --> 00:25:59,660 moral reasons, for economic reasons, for social reasons. 484 00:25:59,660 --> 00:26:01,210 We've been down this street before. 485 00:26:01,210 --> 00:26:02,480 It doesn't work. 486 00:26:02,480 --> 00:26:04,820 It doesn't work at the city level, it doesn't work at the 487 00:26:04,820 --> 00:26:08,490 county level, it doesn't work at the state level. 488 00:26:08,490 --> 00:26:11,030 We need to start demanding better solutions. 489 00:26:11,030 --> 00:26:11,950 And they're out there. 490 00:26:11,950 --> 00:26:13,320 They really are. 491 00:26:13,320 --> 00:26:16,840 But we have to encourage others to learn about them, to 492 00:26:16,840 --> 00:26:19,450 learn these types of facts, so when you go out into 493 00:26:19,450 --> 00:26:22,900 communities you can talk about it with some level of 494 00:26:22,900 --> 00:26:24,150 confidence and certainty. 495 00:26:24,150 --> 00:26:25,980 Because most people don't want to talk about stuff that they 496 00:26:25,980 --> 00:26:27,880 don't really know things about. 497 00:26:27,880 --> 00:26:31,220 In fact, there's a friend of mine, a minister named 498 00:26:31,220 --> 00:26:32,180 [? Tex Sample. ?] 499 00:26:32,180 --> 00:26:35,320 Some guy was telling him about how much he hated illegal 500 00:26:35,320 --> 00:26:36,320 immigrants. 501 00:26:36,320 --> 00:26:40,600 And so [? Tex ?] asked him, well, so how do you know all 502 00:26:40,600 --> 00:26:41,660 this stuff? 503 00:26:41,660 --> 00:26:44,290 And the guy goes, well, I'm not really up on it. 504 00:26:44,290 --> 00:26:44,960 And [? Tex ?] goes-- 505 00:26:44,960 --> 00:26:45,840 I love this-- 506 00:26:45,840 --> 00:26:48,250 he goes, well, how can you be down on something 507 00:26:48,250 --> 00:26:52,990 you're not up on? 508 00:26:52,990 --> 00:26:55,090 So getting involved works. 509 00:26:55,090 --> 00:26:59,950 Lydia and I did a little road show at the beginning of last 510 00:26:59,950 --> 00:27:02,170 year, and we've even done it around the state. 511 00:27:02,170 --> 00:27:04,800 We've done five immigration solutions conferences. 512 00:27:04,800 --> 00:27:05,420 In Arizona. 513 00:27:05,420 --> 00:27:09,070 We did one in Congress at the beginning of May. 514 00:27:09,070 --> 00:27:12,780 But you can see, when you present people with the facts, 515 00:27:12,780 --> 00:27:15,150 these laws are defeated. 516 00:27:15,150 --> 00:27:18,250 But it cannot be just the business community by itself. 517 00:27:18,250 --> 00:27:20,590 It can't be just the faith community by itself. 518 00:27:20,590 --> 00:27:23,250 It can't just be the activist community by itself. 519 00:27:23,250 --> 00:27:24,710 Everybody's got to go together. 520 00:27:24,710 --> 00:27:27,780 They can all talk about what's important to them, but they 521 00:27:27,780 --> 00:27:32,610 have to go as a coalition. 522 00:27:32,610 --> 00:27:35,400 So this is what you have to do. 523 00:27:35,400 --> 00:27:37,670 One, you have to stop believing everything you hear 524 00:27:37,670 --> 00:27:41,580 because 9 times out of 10, it's false. 525 00:27:41,580 --> 00:27:44,810 You have to get vocal. 526 00:27:44,810 --> 00:27:46,660 God blessed the UUs, you guys are out there 527 00:27:46,660 --> 00:27:48,570 doing a lot of stuff. 528 00:27:48,570 --> 00:27:51,920 And we certainly appreciate it. 529 00:27:51,920 --> 00:27:54,480 And I'm sure the other people who are going to be speaking 530 00:27:54,480 --> 00:27:58,410 will appreciate that as well. 531 00:27:58,410 --> 00:28:03,520 But unless we start demanding Congress do something about 532 00:28:03,520 --> 00:28:07,330 it, and do not allow them to continue to kick this ball 533 00:28:07,330 --> 00:28:09,540 down the street, saying, oh, well, we're going to have to 534 00:28:09,540 --> 00:28:11,350 wait to see what the states do-- no, what are 535 00:28:11,350 --> 00:28:12,470 you going to do? 536 00:28:12,470 --> 00:28:14,150 It needs to be a campaign issue. 537 00:28:14,150 --> 00:28:15,770 We need to ask all members of 538 00:28:15,770 --> 00:28:19,690 Congress, what's your solution? 539 00:28:19,690 --> 00:28:20,460 They're out there. 540 00:28:20,460 --> 00:28:21,740 I look forward to your questions when 541 00:28:21,740 --> 00:28:23,640 we get to that point. 542 00:28:23,640 --> 00:28:33,760 Anyway, thank you very much for your time. 543 00:28:33,760 --> 00:28:37,240 SPEAKER 1: Thanks, Todd. 544 00:28:37,240 --> 00:28:41,400 I told you he knew the facts and figures, didn't I? 545 00:28:41,400 --> 00:28:43,500 Our next speaker is Julie Erfle. 546 00:28:43,500 --> 00:28:46,450 Julie is Unitarian Universalist and has been a 547 00:28:46,450 --> 00:28:49,260 member of the Unitarian Universalist congregation of 548 00:28:49,260 --> 00:28:51,560 Phoenix and Paradise Valley here in the 549 00:28:51,560 --> 00:28:53,300 greater Phoenix area. 550 00:28:53,300 --> 00:28:55,410 She is a political blogger. 551 00:28:55,410 --> 00:28:59,330 Her blog is called Politics Uncuffed. 552 00:28:59,330 --> 00:29:02,070 And we're going to switch a little here. 553 00:29:02,070 --> 00:29:04,790 All of these people have different stories to share. 554 00:29:04,790 --> 00:29:07,030 And so she's going to share a little bit of her story that 555 00:29:07,030 --> 00:29:17,252 brought her to where she is as well. 556 00:29:17,252 --> 00:29:18,010 JULIE ERFLE: Thanks, Ken. 557 00:29:18,010 --> 00:29:20,920 So I love Todd's speech because I love the facts and 558 00:29:20,920 --> 00:29:23,350 figures and the data. 559 00:29:23,350 --> 00:29:25,770 And I get up here and I don't really get to speak about a 560 00:29:25,770 --> 00:29:26,880 whole lot of that. 561 00:29:26,880 --> 00:29:29,670 And that's the part that's a little difficult for me, 562 00:29:29,670 --> 00:29:32,960 because my take on immigration comes from 563 00:29:32,960 --> 00:29:35,440 very personal story. 564 00:29:35,440 --> 00:29:38,720 Immigration was not something that I spent a whole lot of 565 00:29:38,720 --> 00:29:42,450 time thinking about years ago. 566 00:29:42,450 --> 00:29:45,320 It'll be five years this fall, my husband who was a Phoenix 567 00:29:45,320 --> 00:29:49,650 police officer was shot and killed in the line of duty by 568 00:29:49,650 --> 00:29:54,920 an undocumented immigrant who had previously been deported. 569 00:29:54,920 --> 00:30:01,610 Nick's death was really, I think, the catalyst for a lot 570 00:30:01,610 --> 00:30:05,680 the anti-immigration laws that took place in Arizona. 571 00:30:05,680 --> 00:30:10,890 And actually just this past week, I saw his name splashed 572 00:30:10,890 --> 00:30:16,820 across several papers talking about the dichotomy in the SB 573 00:30:16,820 --> 00:30:19,560 1070 law that's supposed to help police officers but 574 00:30:19,560 --> 00:30:22,400 actually puts them in the middle of the position, in 575 00:30:22,400 --> 00:30:27,400 that if it's viewed that they're not enforcing the law 576 00:30:27,400 --> 00:30:30,160 the way they should, then the departments can actually be 577 00:30:30,160 --> 00:30:33,420 sued by ordinary citizens. 578 00:30:33,420 --> 00:30:37,260 And they were talking about my husband, as far as his case 579 00:30:37,260 --> 00:30:39,060 and how that came about. 580 00:30:39,060 --> 00:30:42,400 And I said, what a sad situation. 581 00:30:42,400 --> 00:30:46,270 What a sad situation that we have my husband, who they're 582 00:30:46,270 --> 00:30:49,270 using his death as a catalyst for a law that puts police 583 00:30:49,270 --> 00:30:51,290 officers in the middle of a situation that they should 584 00:30:51,290 --> 00:30:53,120 never be in. 585 00:30:53,120 --> 00:30:57,790 And so when Nick was killed back in September of 2007, 586 00:30:57,790 --> 00:31:00,590 obviously, there was a lot of uproar. 587 00:31:00,590 --> 00:31:02,500 Russell Pearce, who you probably will 588 00:31:02,500 --> 00:31:04,470 hear a lot about today-- 589 00:31:04,470 --> 00:31:07,430 he was actually running for Congress at the time. 590 00:31:07,430 --> 00:31:10,350 And one of his supporters, within 24 hours of Nick's 591 00:31:10,350 --> 00:31:12,870 death, put out a letter that asked people 592 00:31:12,870 --> 00:31:15,650 to support his cause. 593 00:31:15,650 --> 00:31:18,220 He'll get cop killers like my husband's 594 00:31:18,220 --> 00:31:20,140 killer off the street. 595 00:31:20,140 --> 00:31:22,270 Very, very tacky, of course. 596 00:31:22,270 --> 00:31:24,570 Pearce called him a patriot. 597 00:31:24,570 --> 00:31:26,610 There was also-- 598 00:31:26,610 --> 00:31:28,540 I believe it was Immigrants Without Borders, though I'm 599 00:31:28,540 --> 00:31:30,500 not sure exactly of the group. 600 00:31:30,500 --> 00:31:33,240 But they organized a vigil at the site where 601 00:31:33,240 --> 00:31:35,190 my husband was murdered. 602 00:31:35,190 --> 00:31:38,820 And there was an anti-immigrant group that was 603 00:31:38,820 --> 00:31:42,170 threatening to protest at that vigil. 604 00:31:42,170 --> 00:31:46,600 So I had to step in and say, don't or I'll come out 605 00:31:46,600 --> 00:31:49,320 publicly and you won't like it. 606 00:31:49,320 --> 00:31:52,420 And anyway, so I kept quiet for a while. 607 00:31:52,420 --> 00:31:54,730 It was obviously a shock, my husband's death. 608 00:31:54,730 --> 00:31:58,590 He had previously been a two-term cancer survivor, so a 609 00:31:58,590 --> 00:32:01,780 lot of what I was focused on was health care reform. 610 00:32:01,780 --> 00:32:05,310 In my prior life, I was a journalist. 611 00:32:05,310 --> 00:32:10,670 And for me, that's why data is so important, and research. 612 00:32:10,670 --> 00:32:14,450 And so I really took that time, as I was healing, also 613 00:32:14,450 --> 00:32:16,690 to learn more about immigration reform. 614 00:32:16,690 --> 00:32:21,200 I really felt like I had to know more about the issue and 615 00:32:21,200 --> 00:32:26,800 why we have the problem in the first place, and why our 616 00:32:26,800 --> 00:32:28,440 congressmen and congresswomen couldn't 617 00:32:28,440 --> 00:32:30,440 come up with the solution. 618 00:32:30,440 --> 00:32:32,790 So I spent a lot of time talking to individuals within 619 00:32:32,790 --> 00:32:37,240 law enforcement, immigration attorneys, activists, leaders. 620 00:32:37,240 --> 00:32:39,620 And I really found that there was a lot more 621 00:32:39,620 --> 00:32:41,560 consensus than I thought. 622 00:32:41,560 --> 00:32:45,380 The information that Todd speaks about is out there. 623 00:32:45,380 --> 00:32:46,840 And people know this. 624 00:32:46,840 --> 00:32:48,390 And believe it or not, most of our 625 00:32:48,390 --> 00:32:50,600 politicians know it as well. 626 00:32:50,600 --> 00:32:54,370 It just hasn't been beneficial for their campaigns to talk 627 00:32:54,370 --> 00:33:00,650 about the facts, so a lot of it has been sidestepped. 628 00:33:00,650 --> 00:33:03,420 So anyway, so I decided after some time-- it 629 00:33:03,420 --> 00:33:04,610 was about eight months-- 630 00:33:04,610 --> 00:33:08,360 to come public with my views on immigration, mainly because 631 00:33:08,360 --> 00:33:12,810 the city of Phoenix was revising its police policy in 632 00:33:12,810 --> 00:33:16,030 how they dealt with people who they believed to be in the 633 00:33:16,030 --> 00:33:17,350 country undocumented. 634 00:33:17,350 --> 00:33:20,940 And it was a direct result of my husband's death. 635 00:33:20,940 --> 00:33:25,180 And when I came forward and I spoke, I said that I believed 636 00:33:25,180 --> 00:33:28,640 that this could be a first step in dealing with the 637 00:33:28,640 --> 00:33:30,460 problem but we needed something bigger. 638 00:33:30,460 --> 00:33:32,730 We need comprehensive immigration reform. 639 00:33:32,730 --> 00:33:36,230 And in particular, we needed immigration reform that put 640 00:33:36,230 --> 00:33:40,770 safety and humanity on an equal footing. 641 00:33:40,770 --> 00:33:43,290 And it was shocking. 642 00:33:43,290 --> 00:33:45,460 And maybe, as a UU, I didn't think it 643 00:33:45,460 --> 00:33:47,270 would be that shocking. 644 00:33:47,270 --> 00:33:49,970 But apparently that was a shocking statement to make. 645 00:33:49,970 --> 00:33:55,100 And I was surprised at how much that statement carried 646 00:33:55,100 --> 00:33:59,890 forward, and how many people were then contacting me and 647 00:33:59,890 --> 00:34:01,120 questioning me. 648 00:34:01,120 --> 00:34:03,420 Why would I say that? 649 00:34:03,420 --> 00:34:06,320 But wait, your husband was killed by somebody who was 650 00:34:06,320 --> 00:34:07,250 undocumented. 651 00:34:07,250 --> 00:34:10,110 Why don't you hate them? 652 00:34:10,110 --> 00:34:11,659 Why don't you hate them? 653 00:34:11,659 --> 00:34:15,030 And that was really the line of thinking that most people 654 00:34:15,030 --> 00:34:18,929 had, was that I should hate all people who are in this 655 00:34:18,929 --> 00:34:20,380 country undocumented. 656 00:34:20,380 --> 00:34:23,540 So my response would always be, well, if a white man 657 00:34:23,540 --> 00:34:26,429 killed my husband, should I hate all white men? 658 00:34:26,429 --> 00:34:28,330 It just didn't make sense for me. 659 00:34:28,330 --> 00:34:29,070 It didn't resonate. 660 00:34:29,070 --> 00:34:32,000 So I had the opportunity to meet with then-governor Janet 661 00:34:32,000 --> 00:34:35,920 Napolitano, and we talked about ways to work on a state 662 00:34:35,920 --> 00:34:37,630 level to bring this forward. 663 00:34:37,630 --> 00:34:42,040 She assured me that once Barack Obama became president, 664 00:34:42,040 --> 00:34:44,790 that comprehensive immigration reform would go through, which 665 00:34:44,790 --> 00:34:47,750 of course we're still waiting on. 666 00:34:47,750 --> 00:34:50,960 But I then actually just had the opportunity to continue to 667 00:34:50,960 --> 00:34:53,679 speak out, and that's what I've been doing since then. 668 00:34:53,679 --> 00:34:56,316 And I really believe that the more that we speak out and the 669 00:34:56,316 --> 00:34:58,470 more that we talk, we can educate people. 670 00:34:58,470 --> 00:35:02,480 Now I found out a short time after I started speaking out 671 00:35:02,480 --> 00:35:06,910 that not everybody wants to be educated. 672 00:35:06,910 --> 00:35:07,740 I was attacked. 673 00:35:07,740 --> 00:35:14,560 I went in front of a police think tank in Washington DC 674 00:35:14,560 --> 00:35:16,890 about a year after my husband's death. 675 00:35:16,890 --> 00:35:18,860 And I was speaking about the human cost 676 00:35:18,860 --> 00:35:19,950 of immigration reform. 677 00:35:19,950 --> 00:35:23,490 They were holding a conference on immigration and how do you 678 00:35:23,490 --> 00:35:28,030 balance immigration enforcement with civil rights. 679 00:35:28,030 --> 00:35:30,340 What a great topic, right? 680 00:35:30,340 --> 00:35:34,930 And as I was on the stage speaking, there was a little 681 00:35:34,930 --> 00:35:39,210 DJ here in town who was on what I like to call hate radio 682 00:35:39,210 --> 00:35:46,580 and was blasting me for being there with Mayor Gordon, who 683 00:35:46,580 --> 00:35:49,480 was not well-liked by that particular station, and 684 00:35:49,480 --> 00:35:52,450 essentially said, oh, the blood of the next officer is 685 00:35:52,450 --> 00:35:55,490 on your hands, Julie Erfle, and your husband should be 686 00:35:55,490 --> 00:35:56,245 ashamed of you. 687 00:35:56,245 --> 00:35:58,920 He'd be rolling over in his grave, and how do you look 688 00:35:58,920 --> 00:36:00,260 yourself in the mirror. 689 00:36:00,260 --> 00:36:03,030 And that's when I realized, OK, I'd better be ready to 690 00:36:03,030 --> 00:36:05,030 take some of this, because this is 691 00:36:05,030 --> 00:36:05,940 what's going to happen. 692 00:36:05,940 --> 00:36:11,340 And it's out there now, and why look back? 693 00:36:11,340 --> 00:36:14,130 So I continued down this path. 694 00:36:14,130 --> 00:36:17,940 But what I saw was that immigration was really taking 695 00:36:17,940 --> 00:36:20,450 a lead in all issues in Arizona. 696 00:36:20,450 --> 00:36:24,280 It was becoming the leading issue in Arizona, and it was 697 00:36:24,280 --> 00:36:27,380 taking over education, it was taking over health care. 698 00:36:27,380 --> 00:36:31,820 Everything was being framed under the immigration debate. 699 00:36:31,820 --> 00:36:35,540 And so that's actually why I started my political blog, was 700 00:36:35,540 --> 00:36:38,510 to really start talking about some of these issues and 701 00:36:38,510 --> 00:36:41,760 present, maybe, the opposing side that we weren't hearing 702 00:36:41,760 --> 00:36:43,620 that much about. 703 00:36:43,620 --> 00:36:48,100 And so a lot of my topics on the blog are definitely framed 704 00:36:48,100 --> 00:36:49,070 around immigration. 705 00:36:49,070 --> 00:36:52,700 They're framed around Joe Arpaio as well, because he's 706 00:36:52,700 --> 00:36:54,950 so on the forefront of all of this. 707 00:36:54,950 --> 00:36:57,050 And then since then, I've just been working with different 708 00:36:57,050 --> 00:37:00,490 groups, really to educate people because as Todd said, 709 00:37:00,490 --> 00:37:01,430 that's what's going on. 710 00:37:01,430 --> 00:37:04,890 So many people don't understand this issue, because 711 00:37:04,890 --> 00:37:07,740 all we hear are the myths. 712 00:37:07,740 --> 00:37:12,010 And it really comes down to a few big myths that we hear 713 00:37:12,010 --> 00:37:16,420 over and over that I firmly believe we need to remessage. 714 00:37:16,420 --> 00:37:20,190 When people say, what part of illegal don't you understand, 715 00:37:20,190 --> 00:37:24,560 the response to be what part of legal don't you understand? 716 00:37:24,560 --> 00:37:26,660 Do you not understand how complicated 717 00:37:26,660 --> 00:37:27,750 the visa system is? 718 00:37:27,750 --> 00:37:29,960 If you don't, look it up. 719 00:37:29,960 --> 00:37:31,900 You might be shocked. 720 00:37:31,900 --> 00:37:34,380 As people from the Cato Institute, which is a 721 00:37:34,380 --> 00:37:37,490 libertarian think tank, are fond of saying, it's about as 722 00:37:37,490 --> 00:37:40,000 complicated as the tax code. 723 00:37:40,000 --> 00:37:41,690 It's pretty complicated. 724 00:37:41,690 --> 00:37:44,040 And when people make the comments about, well, why 725 00:37:44,040 --> 00:37:46,270 don't they just stand in the back of the line like 726 00:37:46,270 --> 00:37:48,700 everybody else, why can't they do it the right way like 727 00:37:48,700 --> 00:37:51,760 everybody else-- because there is no way. 728 00:37:51,760 --> 00:37:53,790 There's no line. 729 00:37:53,790 --> 00:37:57,030 And I think we need to be willing and ready to respond 730 00:37:57,030 --> 00:38:00,450 in that manner to people when they bring this up time and 731 00:38:00,450 --> 00:38:01,180 time again. 732 00:38:01,180 --> 00:38:05,070 Because we need people who can consistently say, over and 733 00:38:05,070 --> 00:38:10,030 over and over again, you're wrong. 734 00:38:10,030 --> 00:38:11,180 I'm sorry. 735 00:38:11,180 --> 00:38:12,810 There is no line. 736 00:38:12,810 --> 00:38:15,220 What you're saying is not true. 737 00:38:15,220 --> 00:38:17,610 It doesn't work that way. 738 00:38:17,610 --> 00:38:19,910 And so for me, that's really been what it's about. 739 00:38:19,910 --> 00:38:23,200 It's about trying to reshape the message. 740 00:38:23,200 --> 00:38:25,070 Because that's what we've got going on today. 741 00:38:25,070 --> 00:38:26,720 We live in a sound bite society. 742 00:38:26,720 --> 00:38:29,410 We need to be able to reshape the message. 743 00:38:29,410 --> 00:38:31,370 And I think for all of you, it's the same thing. 744 00:38:31,370 --> 00:38:33,650 Just finding the ways that you can be involved. 745 00:38:33,650 --> 00:38:35,340 There are a lot of coalitions. 746 00:38:35,340 --> 00:38:37,520 There's a lot of conferences going on. 747 00:38:37,520 --> 00:38:39,290 There's a lot of ways to be involved. 748 00:38:39,290 --> 00:38:40,480 There's letters to the editor. 749 00:38:40,480 --> 00:38:41,620 There's groups. 750 00:38:41,620 --> 00:38:45,160 You can give of your time and your money in so many ways. 751 00:38:45,160 --> 00:38:48,780 And though you may think that that's not a lot, it is, 752 00:38:48,780 --> 00:38:51,670 because by and large, what's really going on is that so 753 00:38:51,670 --> 00:38:55,670 many people see it as such a big convoluted issue that they 754 00:38:55,670 --> 00:38:59,660 choose not to be involved at all. 755 00:38:59,660 --> 00:39:01,780 And really that's the biggest problem. 756 00:39:01,780 --> 00:39:03,990 We have far too many people who are 757 00:39:03,990 --> 00:39:07,860 just not getting involved. 758 00:39:07,860 --> 00:39:11,440 So that's what I'm working on today, is getting people 759 00:39:11,440 --> 00:39:13,700 involved, hoping people will get involved, and trying to 760 00:39:13,700 --> 00:39:19,230 educate them, and then short-term, looking to ensure 761 00:39:19,230 --> 00:39:26,840 that Joe Arpaio is defeated this November. 762 00:39:26,840 --> 00:39:28,390 That's a big one. 763 00:39:28,390 --> 00:39:32,540 And long-term, looking at ways that we can educate 764 00:39:32,540 --> 00:39:35,620 individuals about important topics, not just immigration, 765 00:39:35,620 --> 00:39:37,610 but important topics in general. 766 00:39:37,610 --> 00:39:39,810 Because what I have found that I think has been most 767 00:39:39,810 --> 00:39:42,550 surprising to me-- 768 00:39:42,550 --> 00:39:43,995 I was kind of a nerd growing up. 769 00:39:43,995 --> 00:39:45,870 I thought 20/20 was one of the best 770 00:39:45,870 --> 00:39:48,010 shows on TV as a teenager. 771 00:39:48,010 --> 00:39:51,080 So I'm not exactly your typical person. 772 00:39:51,080 --> 00:39:54,680 But I find a lot of people who are my age who have got young 773 00:39:54,680 --> 00:39:58,360 kids like I do, and who are going back and forth to soccer 774 00:39:58,360 --> 00:40:02,560 practices and dealing with homework and work, and their 775 00:40:02,560 --> 00:40:05,010 lives are busy and they don't want to watch the news and 776 00:40:05,010 --> 00:40:06,240 they don't want to deal with it. 777 00:40:06,240 --> 00:40:09,350 And it's not because they're not smart people. 778 00:40:09,350 --> 00:40:11,960 And it's not even because they don't want to be informed. 779 00:40:11,960 --> 00:40:15,260 It's more that they just don't feel like they have the time. 780 00:40:15,260 --> 00:40:21,480 So finding ways to make people want to buy in, and to take 781 00:40:21,480 --> 00:40:25,500 that extra time to be informed, finding ways to show 782 00:40:25,500 --> 00:40:30,110 individuals why this issue and other issues are important, 783 00:40:30,110 --> 00:40:31,220 and what they need to know. 784 00:40:31,220 --> 00:40:33,900 That that's really the bigger picture in my view. 785 00:40:33,900 --> 00:40:35,380 And I think that's the bigger picture for 786 00:40:35,380 --> 00:40:36,460 most of you out here. 787 00:40:36,460 --> 00:40:39,840 And that's why you're here this week. 788 00:40:39,840 --> 00:40:40,765 So thank you very much. 789 00:40:40,765 --> 00:40:48,135 I look forward to questions. 790 00:40:48,135 --> 00:40:50,960 SPEAKER 1: A pretty amazing woman, huh? 791 00:40:50,960 --> 00:40:51,280 I don't know. 792 00:40:51,280 --> 00:40:53,340 I was a teenager and used to watch Howard 793 00:40:53,340 --> 00:40:55,330 K. Smith as a teenager. 794 00:40:55,330 --> 00:40:56,440 Some of you might remember that. 795 00:40:56,440 --> 00:40:58,970 They probably don't up here. 796 00:40:58,970 --> 00:41:02,450 Our next speaker is Daniel Rodriguez. 797 00:41:02,450 --> 00:41:04,730 I've worked with Daniel for a couple years. 798 00:41:04,730 --> 00:41:07,280 I was on the Somos America board with him. 799 00:41:07,280 --> 00:41:10,680 This year, he is the president of the Somos America board. 800 00:41:10,680 --> 00:41:12,670 He is also a Dreamer. 801 00:41:12,670 --> 00:41:15,850 And he's going to share some of his story and his work in 802 00:41:15,850 --> 00:41:42,578 the community with us now. 803 00:41:42,578 --> 00:41:46,670 DANIEL RODRIGUEZ: Good afternoon, everyone. 804 00:41:46,670 --> 00:41:47,820 OK, I think this is going to take a second, so I'm just 805 00:41:47,820 --> 00:41:49,630 going to go ahead and begin. 806 00:41:49,630 --> 00:41:50,790 My name is Daniel Rodriguez. 807 00:41:50,790 --> 00:41:52,750 I am the president of the Somos America coalition. 808 00:41:52,750 --> 00:41:55,530 I'm also the co-founder of the Arizona Dream Act coalition, 809 00:41:55,530 --> 00:41:57,960 and I'm a representative of the United We Dream network, 810 00:41:57,960 --> 00:42:00,360 which is a national network of immigrant youth-led 811 00:42:00,360 --> 00:42:01,600 organizations. 812 00:42:01,600 --> 00:42:03,050 And today I'm just going to be speaking to you 813 00:42:03,050 --> 00:42:04,200 about a couple of things. 814 00:42:04,200 --> 00:42:06,750 One, I want to talk about youth. 815 00:42:06,750 --> 00:42:08,350 I want to talk about allies. 816 00:42:08,350 --> 00:42:11,770 And I want to talk about moving forward. 817 00:42:11,770 --> 00:42:16,540 So that's me. 818 00:42:16,540 --> 00:42:18,430 You know, earlier, the question was how many of you 819 00:42:18,430 --> 00:42:20,550 guys want to learn more about the issue. 820 00:42:20,550 --> 00:42:22,240 And there was a lot of hands raised. 821 00:42:22,240 --> 00:42:24,940 So I just want to make sure that I devote some time to 822 00:42:24,940 --> 00:42:27,980 going back to basics, which is stories, personal stories, and 823 00:42:27,980 --> 00:42:29,920 learning about the people that are affected by this law. 824 00:42:29,920 --> 00:42:36,029 So I do want to share a little bit about my story as well. 825 00:42:36,029 --> 00:42:38,910 Because I love to talk, I am going to time myself. 826 00:42:38,910 --> 00:42:42,910 That way I stay on time. 827 00:42:42,910 --> 00:42:44,200 I'm currently 26 years old. 828 00:42:44,200 --> 00:42:47,120 I was brought to this country when I was seven years old. 829 00:42:47,120 --> 00:42:48,760 I was born in Monterrey, Mexico, which is 830 00:42:48,760 --> 00:42:48,980 [? closer to ?] 831 00:42:48,980 --> 00:42:51,240 Texas, northwest Mexico. 832 00:42:51,240 --> 00:42:53,230 And I was raised there. 833 00:42:53,230 --> 00:42:54,690 I was born there. 834 00:42:54,690 --> 00:42:56,670 At seven years old, I had everything 835 00:42:56,670 --> 00:42:58,170 that I really wanted. 836 00:42:58,170 --> 00:43:05,700 I had friends, I had toys, I had food, and I had a home. 837 00:43:05,700 --> 00:43:11,130 There was nothing really else going on in my life. 838 00:43:11,130 --> 00:43:12,770 that I remember. 839 00:43:12,770 --> 00:43:14,260 My mom had a good job. 840 00:43:14,260 --> 00:43:19,030 She was a legal assistant or paralegal sort of type. 841 00:43:19,030 --> 00:43:19,880 And we were OK. 842 00:43:19,880 --> 00:43:23,800 It was me, my mom, my two sisters, and my father. 843 00:43:23,800 --> 00:43:26,950 I remember, when I was younger, taking trips to 844 00:43:26,950 --> 00:43:28,700 family members every now and then. 845 00:43:28,700 --> 00:43:31,350 We would go stay there for a weekend or a week, sometimes 846 00:43:31,350 --> 00:43:32,530 even a little longer. 847 00:43:32,530 --> 00:43:34,170 But we always came back home. 848 00:43:34,170 --> 00:43:37,910 And I didn't really know why, what was going on. 849 00:43:37,910 --> 00:43:40,570 One day, I remember, it was a Saturday morning, and I was 850 00:43:40,570 --> 00:43:43,470 playing pogs in the park. 851 00:43:43,470 --> 00:43:45,400 You guys know pogs, right? 852 00:43:45,400 --> 00:43:47,420 Kids nowadays don't know pogs. 853 00:43:47,420 --> 00:43:51,460 But I was the pog king of my neighborhood, and I had the 854 00:43:51,460 --> 00:43:54,550 biggest stack of pogs imaginable because I was 855 00:43:54,550 --> 00:43:56,000 really good at flipping them over. 856 00:43:56,000 --> 00:43:58,270 And I was really good at playing that. 857 00:43:58,270 --> 00:44:01,100 And I remember I was playing pogs in this huge tournament 858 00:44:01,100 --> 00:44:03,070 in the park with seven-year-olds. 859 00:44:03,070 --> 00:44:05,960 And there was a group of me and my friends and we were 860 00:44:05,960 --> 00:44:07,910 circled, and out of nowhere, my mom came and she just kind 861 00:44:07,910 --> 00:44:09,590 of grabbed me by the hand and yanked me out. 862 00:44:09,590 --> 00:44:11,690 And she said, we're leaving. 863 00:44:11,690 --> 00:44:13,750 And I said, OK, but I want my toys. 864 00:44:13,750 --> 00:44:15,520 And she said, no, you can't take them with you. 865 00:44:15,520 --> 00:44:18,960 And I kind of felt something was going on. 866 00:44:18,960 --> 00:44:21,280 So I looked at my older sister and I asked her, where are we 867 00:44:21,280 --> 00:44:21,790 going again? 868 00:44:21,790 --> 00:44:22,410 My grandmother's? 869 00:44:22,410 --> 00:44:25,400 And she said, no, not this time. 870 00:44:25,400 --> 00:44:28,590 And I said, OK. 871 00:44:28,590 --> 00:44:34,430 Next day, Sunday night, I was in Phoenix, Arizona after a 872 00:44:34,430 --> 00:44:36,480 semi-long hike. 873 00:44:36,480 --> 00:44:40,690 After some confusion, I ended up in the basement of a person 874 00:44:40,690 --> 00:44:43,600 that I didn't know. 875 00:44:43,600 --> 00:44:46,640 Right away, my mom kind of just disappeared, and I didn't 876 00:44:46,640 --> 00:44:47,950 see her for days. 877 00:44:47,950 --> 00:44:49,630 My older sister was in and out. 878 00:44:49,630 --> 00:44:52,180 My younger sister-- at the time, she was about one, and 879 00:44:52,180 --> 00:44:55,040 she was being taken care of by people that I didn't know. 880 00:44:55,040 --> 00:44:57,670 They were speaking a language that I didn't understand. 881 00:44:57,670 --> 00:45:01,030 And I started to become really confused and really angry 882 00:45:01,030 --> 00:45:02,460 about what was going on. 883 00:45:02,460 --> 00:45:07,980 And I remember one time, after so many days of waiting to get 884 00:45:07,980 --> 00:45:11,270 some information about what was going on, I decided that I 885 00:45:11,270 --> 00:45:12,300 was going to wait for my mom. 886 00:45:12,300 --> 00:45:13,850 I didn't know where she was. 887 00:45:13,850 --> 00:45:16,250 But I knew that every night she used to come home and go 888 00:45:16,250 --> 00:45:18,420 to sleep and leave in the morning. 889 00:45:18,420 --> 00:45:20,420 And I said, well, I am going to wait for her, and I am 890 00:45:20,420 --> 00:45:22,260 going to confront her and ask, what's going on? 891 00:45:22,260 --> 00:45:23,570 How can you do this to us? 892 00:45:23,570 --> 00:45:24,620 Where are we? 893 00:45:24,620 --> 00:45:27,630 I was really mad at her, I remember. 894 00:45:27,630 --> 00:45:34,160 And so one night, I stayed up really late, and I was waiting 895 00:45:34,160 --> 00:45:35,360 for her to come. 896 00:45:35,360 --> 00:45:37,970 And I was waiting for her to come, and it got really, 897 00:45:37,970 --> 00:45:39,690 really late. 898 00:45:39,690 --> 00:45:42,640 And I fell asleep, the first time. 899 00:45:42,640 --> 00:45:46,030 So the second day I decided to wait again. 900 00:45:46,030 --> 00:45:48,090 And this time, it was really late. 901 00:45:48,090 --> 00:45:48,830 I don't remember what time it was. 902 00:45:48,830 --> 00:45:50,950 My mom came into the garage. 903 00:45:50,950 --> 00:45:52,990 At the time, it was me, my mom, and my two sisters living 904 00:45:52,990 --> 00:45:55,840 in a small garage in west Phoenix. 905 00:45:55,840 --> 00:45:59,970 And she saw me and I saw her and I just wanted to go and 906 00:45:59,970 --> 00:46:04,190 yell at her and tell her, how could you do this to us? 907 00:46:04,190 --> 00:46:05,990 Where are you? 908 00:46:05,990 --> 00:46:08,836 But as soon as I saw her, the only thing that I could really 909 00:46:08,836 --> 00:46:12,740 tell her is, mom, I miss you. 910 00:46:12,740 --> 00:46:15,670 And I started to break down in tears, and she 911 00:46:15,670 --> 00:46:17,000 broke down in tears. 912 00:46:17,000 --> 00:46:20,150 And it was the first time ever that I'd seen my mom cry 913 00:46:20,150 --> 00:46:22,520 without being beat. 914 00:46:22,520 --> 00:46:26,130 Because it was the fact that she was beat often that caused 915 00:46:26,130 --> 00:46:29,930 her to run away and come to Phoenix, Arizona. 916 00:46:29,930 --> 00:46:36,310 And I felt so bad that I had made this strong Mexican woman 917 00:46:36,310 --> 00:46:43,530 cry, this strong mother cry, and I just felt ashamed. 918 00:46:43,530 --> 00:46:47,980 So I went and I hugged her, and we cried together and we 919 00:46:47,980 --> 00:46:49,065 talked a little. 920 00:46:49,065 --> 00:46:51,280 And when I was read to go to sleep, before I went to bed, 921 00:46:51,280 --> 00:46:53,440 she said, oh, and by the way, you're 922 00:46:53,440 --> 00:46:55,840 going to school tomorrow. 923 00:46:55,840 --> 00:46:56,770 And that was my life here. 924 00:46:56,770 --> 00:46:58,300 That was the start of my life. 925 00:46:58,300 --> 00:46:59,880 I went to school in west Phoenix. 926 00:46:59,880 --> 00:47:02,760 I always tell people I was normal and I grew up normal as 927 00:47:02,760 --> 00:47:06,520 any other brown kid in west Phoenix could, and went to 928 00:47:06,520 --> 00:47:07,860 school there. 929 00:47:07,860 --> 00:47:11,155 In high school, we got into another bad situation. 930 00:47:11,155 --> 00:47:14,190 And I remember I just really wanted to help my mom. 931 00:47:14,190 --> 00:47:15,020 I wanted to help her. 932 00:47:15,020 --> 00:47:16,620 I wanted to move my family forward. 933 00:47:16,620 --> 00:47:17,970 What could I do? 934 00:47:17,970 --> 00:47:21,370 I wasn't the best student in high school at that time. 935 00:47:21,370 --> 00:47:24,080 But I knew that going to college was supposed to be 936 00:47:24,080 --> 00:47:25,360 something good. 937 00:47:25,360 --> 00:47:27,780 You go to college, you get an education, you get a 938 00:47:27,780 --> 00:47:29,090 job, and that's it. 939 00:47:29,090 --> 00:47:30,540 You live the dream, right? 940 00:47:30,540 --> 00:47:33,970 Next comes the house and the picket fence and all that, and 941 00:47:33,970 --> 00:47:34,970 you're good to go. 942 00:47:34,970 --> 00:47:37,430 So I said, well, Mom, I'm going to help you. 943 00:47:37,430 --> 00:47:38,960 I will go to college. 944 00:47:38,960 --> 00:47:40,690 And she said, OK. 945 00:47:40,690 --> 00:47:42,570 Now at that time, I didn't know too much about what it 946 00:47:42,570 --> 00:47:43,500 meant to be undocumented. 947 00:47:43,500 --> 00:47:45,620 It was just 2002. 948 00:47:45,620 --> 00:47:47,865 You knew, growing up, especially when you're a 949 00:47:47,865 --> 00:47:49,520 Dreamer, somebody like me that grew up here, you knew that 950 00:47:49,520 --> 00:47:50,700 you were different. 951 00:47:50,700 --> 00:47:53,250 And throughout growing up, you kind of find out things that 952 00:47:53,250 --> 00:47:55,200 you could do and couldn't do. 953 00:47:55,200 --> 00:47:57,171 But you didn't really know. 954 00:47:57,171 --> 00:47:58,450 You didn't really know. 955 00:47:58,450 --> 00:48:01,140 And as you grow older, it's sort of like 956 00:48:01,140 --> 00:48:04,600 your world got smaller. 957 00:48:04,600 --> 00:48:06,820 So my world got really small the first time I remember 958 00:48:06,820 --> 00:48:07,630 going to my counselor. 959 00:48:07,630 --> 00:48:10,300 And I said, I want to go to college. 960 00:48:10,300 --> 00:48:12,970 And she told me, well, you might not be 961 00:48:12,970 --> 00:48:14,200 able to go to college. 962 00:48:14,200 --> 00:48:16,490 Just focus on getting a job. 963 00:48:16,490 --> 00:48:18,280 And I said, OK. 964 00:48:18,280 --> 00:48:21,405 I left my counselor's office thinking, well, maybe college 965 00:48:21,405 --> 00:48:22,960 is not for me. 966 00:48:22,960 --> 00:48:24,890 So I went across the street. 967 00:48:24,890 --> 00:48:27,400 There was a restaurant, Hometown Buffet, at that time, 968 00:48:27,400 --> 00:48:29,310 75th Avenue and Thomas. 969 00:48:29,310 --> 00:48:30,280 And I applied for a job. 970 00:48:30,280 --> 00:48:32,290 And I said, I want to have a job here. 971 00:48:32,290 --> 00:48:33,730 And they said, OK. 972 00:48:33,730 --> 00:48:36,210 So I became a dishwasher. 973 00:48:36,210 --> 00:48:39,400 And for me, it didn't matter what I was doing, honestly. 974 00:48:39,400 --> 00:48:41,440 I was making money and I was helping my family, which is 975 00:48:41,440 --> 00:48:42,830 what I wanted to do. 976 00:48:42,830 --> 00:48:45,020 And I would work hard at it. 977 00:48:45,020 --> 00:48:48,210 But in the back of my mind, it was always, well, why couldn't 978 00:48:48,210 --> 00:48:51,100 college be an option? 979 00:48:51,100 --> 00:48:53,313 I was getting ready to drop out of Trevor Browne High 980 00:48:53,313 --> 00:48:54,410 School in west Phoenix. 981 00:48:54,410 --> 00:48:54,990 And I don't know-- 982 00:48:54,990 --> 00:48:56,730 I call it divine intervention. 983 00:48:56,730 --> 00:48:59,010 This other counselor that wasn't my counselor, Donna 984 00:48:59,010 --> 00:49:01,460 Barnes, she kind of called me to her office. 985 00:49:01,460 --> 00:49:03,070 And she asked me, well, what do you want to do? 986 00:49:03,070 --> 00:49:05,070 And I said, I want to go to college. 987 00:49:05,070 --> 00:49:09,280 And she said, OK, let's get you on a path there. 988 00:49:09,280 --> 00:49:11,860 The following year-- this was sophomore year-- 989 00:49:11,860 --> 00:49:13,960 in junior year, you're going to start honors classes. 990 00:49:13,960 --> 00:49:15,380 Get involved, because you have to do this 991 00:49:15,380 --> 00:49:16,260 thing called a resume. 992 00:49:16,260 --> 00:49:19,100 I don't know what a resume was, but I had to get involved 993 00:49:19,100 --> 00:49:21,000 and apparently do it. 994 00:49:21,000 --> 00:49:22,610 And she said, and we'll see what happens, and 995 00:49:22,610 --> 00:49:23,380 don't worry about it. 996 00:49:23,380 --> 00:49:25,730 By the time you go to college, this thing called the Dream 997 00:49:25,730 --> 00:49:27,290 Act is going to pass. 998 00:49:27,290 --> 00:49:30,450 And I said, OK, sounds good. 999 00:49:30,450 --> 00:49:31,570 So junior year came. 1000 00:49:31,570 --> 00:49:33,340 I went to honors classes. 1001 00:49:33,340 --> 00:49:34,380 I did really well. 1002 00:49:34,380 --> 00:49:39,390 I got really involved and I started joining clubs. 1003 00:49:39,390 --> 00:49:41,220 And I don't know how it happened, but within three 1004 00:49:41,220 --> 00:49:43,990 months in my junior year, I became the president of MEChA, 1005 00:49:43,990 --> 00:49:46,670 the Chicano/Latino student organization. 1006 00:49:46,670 --> 00:49:49,190 I became the vice president of the black student union. 1007 00:49:49,190 --> 00:49:50,250 I was in the newspaper. 1008 00:49:50,250 --> 00:49:51,560 I was in the gay/straight alliance. 1009 00:49:51,560 --> 00:49:53,790 I was in every club imaginable. 1010 00:49:53,790 --> 00:49:55,840 And I still have pictures of all the clubs that I was in, 1011 00:49:55,840 --> 00:49:59,260 because initially, I wanted the money. 1012 00:49:59,260 --> 00:50:01,998 You get involved, and you're supposed to put this line on 1013 00:50:01,998 --> 00:50:04,640 the resume and you're supposed to get the scholarships. 1014 00:50:04,640 --> 00:50:07,860 So honestly, that's why I got involved at first. 1015 00:50:07,860 --> 00:50:10,880 But then I started learning about what was going on. 1016 00:50:10,880 --> 00:50:14,340 With MEChA, what was going on in the Latino community. 1017 00:50:14,340 --> 00:50:16,330 With the black student union, what issues they were going-- 1018 00:50:16,330 --> 00:50:18,470 it was actually with the black student union, one of the 1019 00:50:18,470 --> 00:50:21,400 first times that I ever went to the Arizona state capital, 1020 00:50:21,400 --> 00:50:23,160 was with the black student union. 1021 00:50:23,160 --> 00:50:29,650 And at that time, in 2003 or 2004, when we went, I met-- 1022 00:50:29,650 --> 00:50:30,240 at that time-- 1023 00:50:30,240 --> 00:50:32,360 Representative Leah Landrum Taylor. 1024 00:50:32,360 --> 00:50:33,870 She's a senator now. 1025 00:50:33,870 --> 00:50:35,860 And at that time, she was talking about the 14th 1026 00:50:35,860 --> 00:50:39,080 Amendment and history of the 14th Amendment. 1027 00:50:39,080 --> 00:50:41,120 She was talking about a group here of people that were 1028 00:50:41,120 --> 00:50:43,270 brought here, that came here, and they grew up here, that 1029 00:50:43,270 --> 00:50:46,500 worked here, but that they were not considered American 1030 00:50:46,500 --> 00:50:50,930 enough, that somehow they were just not good enough to be 1031 00:50:50,930 --> 00:50:53,600 treated equal. 1032 00:50:53,600 --> 00:50:55,970 And as I was forming my own identity as an immigrant 1033 00:50:55,970 --> 00:51:00,790 youth, I related to that history. 1034 00:51:00,790 --> 00:51:03,770 I related to not feeling American enough, whether 1035 00:51:03,770 --> 00:51:06,695 you're black or Latino. 1036 00:51:06,695 --> 00:51:07,940 Shoot, sometimes [INAUDIBLE] 1037 00:51:07,940 --> 00:51:13,200 woman, because there's no equality there. 1038 00:51:13,200 --> 00:51:15,620 So I started getting more involved and expanding my 1039 00:51:15,620 --> 00:51:19,710 involvement from high school to the community. 1040 00:51:19,710 --> 00:51:20,830 And I started getting involved in 1041 00:51:20,830 --> 00:51:22,390 immigrant rights, initially. 1042 00:51:22,390 --> 00:51:25,350 A lot of woman's rights groups as well, because of what I had 1043 00:51:25,350 --> 00:51:27,170 learned in my family. 1044 00:51:27,170 --> 00:51:29,810 And then when I joined the immigrant rights movement, I 1045 00:51:29,810 --> 00:51:31,290 learned three things eventually. 1046 00:51:31,290 --> 00:51:34,220 And these three things have shaped the work that I do. 1047 00:51:34,220 --> 00:51:37,190 And it's been eight years now. 1048 00:51:37,190 --> 00:51:37,990 I saw three things. 1049 00:51:37,990 --> 00:51:44,480 One, I was very young compared to a lot of 1050 00:51:44,480 --> 00:51:47,730 people that were involved. 1051 00:51:47,730 --> 00:51:52,300 Sometimes I was at meetings and talking about this issue, 1052 00:51:52,300 --> 00:51:55,990 and I was the only one there that was under 30. 1053 00:51:55,990 --> 00:51:59,520 And I just felt very intimidated, and I also just 1054 00:51:59,520 --> 00:52:00,440 wanted to learn more. 1055 00:52:00,440 --> 00:52:01,980 So I still stayed there. 1056 00:52:01,980 --> 00:52:04,560 Then I found, too, another thing. 1057 00:52:04,560 --> 00:52:08,310 A lot of times, when I was in meetings about immigrant 1058 00:52:08,310 --> 00:52:11,470 rights or the immigrant rights movement or what to do, I was 1059 00:52:11,470 --> 00:52:14,090 in these planning meetings, I was the only undocumented 1060 00:52:14,090 --> 00:52:15,880 person at that meeting. 1061 00:52:15,880 --> 00:52:18,290 And I said, well, where's the people 1062 00:52:18,290 --> 00:52:19,840 that are being affected? 1063 00:52:19,840 --> 00:52:22,450 What do they have to say? 1064 00:52:22,450 --> 00:52:25,790 And three, I noticed that a lot of time it was the same 1065 00:52:25,790 --> 00:52:28,040 old brown faces. 1066 00:52:28,040 --> 00:52:31,240 And they were beautiful faces and I was very glad there were 1067 00:52:31,240 --> 00:52:34,080 there, but I knew there had to be allies somewhere. 1068 00:52:34,080 --> 00:52:37,120 I knew this issue affected other people. 1069 00:52:37,120 --> 00:52:39,300 So why didn't this meeting look more like a rainbow 1070 00:52:39,300 --> 00:52:42,710 instead of just brown faces? 1071 00:52:42,710 --> 00:52:47,020 And since then, I've shaped my advocacy and the things I do 1072 00:52:47,020 --> 00:52:49,450 around those three things-- the importance of having youth 1073 00:52:49,450 --> 00:52:53,850 involvement, the importance of having a people-led movement 1074 00:52:53,850 --> 00:52:57,320 where people directly affected can speak about what's going 1075 00:52:57,320 --> 00:53:00,000 on in their communities, and also the importance of having 1076 00:53:00,000 --> 00:53:01,880 coalitions and having allies. 1077 00:53:01,880 --> 00:53:03,800 And so currently, of course, as you know, I am the 1078 00:53:03,800 --> 00:53:06,200 co-founder of the Arizona Dream Act Coalition, one of 1079 00:53:06,200 --> 00:53:09,140 the most active immigrant youth-led organizations in 1080 00:53:09,140 --> 00:53:10,400 this state and nationally. 1081 00:53:10,400 --> 00:53:11,570 And I'm also the current president of the 1082 00:53:11,570 --> 00:53:13,060 Somos America Coalition. 1083 00:53:13,060 --> 00:53:17,570 So with that, I want to talk youth, the importance of 1084 00:53:17,570 --> 00:53:20,820 having youth in this movement. 1085 00:53:20,820 --> 00:53:23,910 For the longest time, when I was involved, being a youth 1086 00:53:23,910 --> 00:53:26,880 meant being there, being quiet, and letting the 1087 00:53:26,880 --> 00:53:29,270 grownups do the work. 1088 00:53:29,270 --> 00:53:33,190 But eventually, that wasn't good enough. 1089 00:53:33,190 --> 00:53:36,770 Eventually, when we started growing up, a lot of youth 1090 00:53:36,770 --> 00:53:39,630 decided to take leadership in their community, because it 1091 00:53:39,630 --> 00:53:40,730 was an issue that was affecting 1092 00:53:40,730 --> 00:53:43,720 them and their families. 1093 00:53:43,720 --> 00:53:46,430 And as youth, we knew our own privileges growing up. 1094 00:53:46,430 --> 00:53:50,560 Our education, the fact that we spoke English, the fact 1095 00:53:50,560 --> 00:53:53,840 that we knew more about how things worked. 1096 00:53:53,840 --> 00:53:56,430 And we asked ourselves, how can we use that 1097 00:53:56,430 --> 00:53:58,960 to move this forward? 1098 00:53:58,960 --> 00:54:01,560 What is the role of youth? 1099 00:54:01,560 --> 00:54:06,070 When you see this picture, without knowing what you know 1100 00:54:06,070 --> 00:54:08,140 about the immigrant rights movement, without knowing what 1101 00:54:08,140 --> 00:54:10,430 you know about Dreamers-- 1102 00:54:10,430 --> 00:54:12,465 a lot of people that I talk to that don't know much, they see 1103 00:54:12,465 --> 00:54:14,660 this picture and it's an irony. 1104 00:54:14,660 --> 00:54:18,250 It's contradicting, because you see a student wearing a 1105 00:54:18,250 --> 00:54:21,440 cap and gown, which reminds you of an education which 1106 00:54:21,440 --> 00:54:25,600 reminds you of someone being good, and then you see the 1107 00:54:25,600 --> 00:54:29,500 handcuffs and the police arresting him. 1108 00:54:29,500 --> 00:54:32,230 As immigrant youth, we have been able to put this image 1109 00:54:32,230 --> 00:54:33,970 out there about-- 1110 00:54:33,970 --> 00:54:36,600 is what's going on in our communities making sense? 1111 00:54:36,600 --> 00:54:41,520 Does it make sense to arrest people, good people, whether 1112 00:54:41,520 --> 00:54:44,770 it's students or families? 1113 00:54:44,770 --> 00:54:46,980 [INAUDIBLE] the work that they do. 1114 00:54:46,980 --> 00:54:48,350 Because you guys are in Arizona, I want to give you a 1115 00:54:48,350 --> 00:54:50,050 little bit of background. 1116 00:54:50,050 --> 00:54:53,710 In 2006, Arizona voters approved Proposition 300, 1117 00:54:53,710 --> 00:54:57,790 which denied Arizona students, undocumented students, the 1118 00:54:57,790 --> 00:55:01,020 right to apply for merit-based public scholarships, and also 1119 00:55:01,020 --> 00:55:04,210 raised tuition 300%. 1120 00:55:04,210 --> 00:55:05,620 That closed the doors to education 1121 00:55:05,620 --> 00:55:07,280 for a lot of students. 1122 00:55:07,280 --> 00:55:11,660 We went from having about 315 undocumented students at 1123 00:55:11,660 --> 00:55:16,580 Arizona State University alone in 2007 to having less than, 1124 00:55:16,580 --> 00:55:20,820 probably, 60 in the three major universities right now. 1125 00:55:20,820 --> 00:55:24,940 And in the community colleges, the same thing. 1126 00:55:24,940 --> 00:55:28,130 One positive side of this is that as students left the 1127 00:55:28,130 --> 00:55:31,760 classroom, they went to the streets and they started 1128 00:55:31,760 --> 00:55:34,720 getting involved, and they started realizing how 1129 00:55:34,720 --> 00:55:38,140 important it was to be out there and be an example for 1130 00:55:38,140 --> 00:55:40,330 the community members and their families, and also their 1131 00:55:40,330 --> 00:55:41,730 families themselves. 1132 00:55:41,730 --> 00:55:44,230 So here in Arizona and nationally, we have had youth 1133 00:55:44,230 --> 00:55:48,700 that have risked their lives, that have risked their futures 1134 00:55:48,700 --> 00:55:53,430 to move this issue forward, so that when you see a cap and 1135 00:55:53,430 --> 00:56:01,070 gown, it's no longer a passive sort of image about education, 1136 00:56:01,070 --> 00:56:04,920 but an active image about what youth, especially students, 1137 00:56:04,920 --> 00:56:11,370 can do to further the cause of justice and human rights. 1138 00:56:11,370 --> 00:56:14,290 Next, the importance of allies, which in the Somos 1139 00:56:14,290 --> 00:56:16,960 America coalition, we're following models that are 1140 00:56:16,960 --> 00:56:18,550 being used nationally. 1141 00:56:18,550 --> 00:56:20,750 And I want to give you an example of two groups of 1142 00:56:20,750 --> 00:56:22,620 allies that have been really [? detrimental, ?] 1143 00:56:22,620 --> 00:56:25,560 really important in the work that we do, and also two 1144 00:56:25,560 --> 00:56:27,090 groups of allies [? who we ?] continue to foster 1145 00:56:27,090 --> 00:56:28,420 relationships with. 1146 00:56:28,420 --> 00:56:30,990 The first one is LGBT community. 1147 00:56:30,990 --> 00:56:34,300 In 2010, when Dreamers were outside of Senator John 1148 00:56:34,300 --> 00:56:38,040 McCain's office, asking him-- practically begging him-- 1149 00:56:38,040 --> 00:56:41,720 to support the Dream Act again, at the same time that 1150 00:56:41,720 --> 00:56:44,370 we were out there on 16th street 1151 00:56:44,370 --> 00:56:46,000 here in Phoenix, Arizona-- 1152 00:56:46,000 --> 00:56:49,390 we were out there on the corner protesting John McCain. 1153 00:56:49,390 --> 00:56:53,900 Right across the street, there was a group of LGBT 1154 00:56:53,900 --> 00:56:57,790 organizations protesting John McCain, asking him to support 1155 00:56:57,790 --> 00:57:00,660 the repeal of Don't Ask, Don't Tell. 1156 00:57:00,660 --> 00:57:02,540 For a lot of us, these were people that we had never even 1157 00:57:02,540 --> 00:57:05,990 talked to, but here we were on that same day, on that same 1158 00:57:05,990 --> 00:57:09,550 morning, protesting the same person for wanting equal 1159 00:57:09,550 --> 00:57:13,740 rights as well. 1160 00:57:13,740 --> 00:57:16,600 Now although there has always been collaboration between the 1161 00:57:16,600 --> 00:57:19,620 LGBT community and immigrant rights community, around that 1162 00:57:19,620 --> 00:57:23,496 time in 2010 is when they became more visible, and there 1163 00:57:23,496 --> 00:57:26,430 was more attention about how do we build bridges between 1164 00:57:26,430 --> 00:57:28,540 different communities that are also in their own fight, in 1165 00:57:28,540 --> 00:57:30,240 their own struggle for justice? 1166 00:57:30,240 --> 00:57:32,310 How do we work together? 1167 00:57:32,310 --> 00:57:34,120 The question that's always being asked, and apparently 1168 00:57:34,120 --> 00:57:35,590 it's really hard to answer. 1169 00:57:35,590 --> 00:57:37,260 How can we work together? 1170 00:57:37,260 --> 00:57:41,100 So the LGBT community is a group that we work closely at 1171 00:57:41,100 --> 00:57:43,020 the national level, and also here locally. 1172 00:57:43,020 --> 00:57:45,310 The Somos America coalition went from having their 1173 00:57:45,310 --> 00:57:48,080 meetings in a [? union ?] hall to having their meetings, and 1174 00:57:48,080 --> 00:57:51,880 having our meetings now, at the offices of an LGBT center. 1175 00:57:51,880 --> 00:57:54,050 So we can do little things like that to learn from each 1176 00:57:54,050 --> 00:57:55,140 other, right? 1177 00:57:55,140 --> 00:57:58,300 Also one of our member organizations is the Queer 1178 00:57:58,300 --> 00:58:01,880 Undocumented Immigrant Project. 1179 00:58:01,880 --> 00:58:03,520 If you're comfortable, raise your hand if you 1180 00:58:03,520 --> 00:58:07,130 have ever come out. 1181 00:58:07,130 --> 00:58:10,430 Raise your hand if you have ever come out twice for 1182 00:58:10,430 --> 00:58:13,730 different reasons. 1183 00:58:13,730 --> 00:58:14,900 You know that feeling, when you have to come 1184 00:58:14,900 --> 00:58:16,430 out more than once. 1185 00:58:16,430 --> 00:58:19,530 Our communities know it as well. 1186 00:58:19,530 --> 00:58:22,460 Some of us come out as undocumented, and you have to 1187 00:58:22,460 --> 00:58:25,250 look at the other person and ask yourself, can I trust this 1188 00:58:25,250 --> 00:58:26,490 individual? 1189 00:58:26,490 --> 00:58:28,910 What will happen to me? 1190 00:58:28,910 --> 00:58:31,770 Am I safe? 1191 00:58:31,770 --> 00:58:34,290 And it's the same questions that the LGBT community ask 1192 00:58:34,290 --> 00:58:38,070 themselves when they come out of their own closet. 1193 00:58:38,070 --> 00:58:42,260 And for many of us, we have to come out twice. 1194 00:58:42,260 --> 00:58:46,080 So the Queer Undocumented Project also speaks to that, 1195 00:58:46,080 --> 00:58:49,070 about the connection between the LGBT community and the 1196 00:58:49,070 --> 00:58:51,420 immigrant rights community, and through that we're able to 1197 00:58:51,420 --> 00:58:54,840 move our movements together. 1198 00:58:54,840 --> 00:58:56,000 Another, of course-- 1199 00:58:56,000 --> 00:58:57,490 the faith community. 1200 00:58:57,490 --> 00:59:00,480 A very, very important part in our movement. 1201 00:59:00,480 --> 00:59:03,830 We need the churches to step up. 1202 00:59:03,830 --> 00:59:05,630 And I know that I don't have to do much to get 1203 00:59:05,630 --> 00:59:07,370 the UUs to step up. 1204 00:59:07,370 --> 00:59:11,330 You guys got up and ran. 1205 00:59:11,330 --> 00:59:13,770 But there's still a huge need to do that. 1206 00:59:13,770 --> 00:59:16,690 Dream Sabbath was the first time ever that we were able to 1207 00:59:16,690 --> 00:59:18,870 collaborate. 1208 00:59:18,870 --> 00:59:24,370 Hundreds of forums in churches where they devoted one Sunday 1209 00:59:24,370 --> 00:59:26,480 to talk about the Dream Act. 1210 00:59:26,480 --> 00:59:29,800 What if we did the same thing to talk about human rights or 1211 00:59:29,800 --> 00:59:32,970 to talk about general immigrant rights, and put a 1212 00:59:32,970 --> 00:59:35,440 plan forward about how the faith community is going to be 1213 00:59:35,440 --> 00:59:36,740 involved in this, and what the role of the 1214 00:59:36,740 --> 00:59:38,630 faith community is? 1215 00:59:38,630 --> 00:59:40,610 And have organizations like the 1216 00:59:40,610 --> 00:59:43,340 Interfaith Immigration Coalition? 1217 00:59:43,340 --> 00:59:46,740 And have more campaigns like Standing On the Side of Love? 1218 00:59:46,740 --> 00:59:51,010 And have the UUs and the UCC, the Catholics, even the 1219 00:59:51,010 --> 00:59:54,590 evangelicals, out there supporting this cause, because 1220 00:59:54,590 --> 00:59:57,260 it's a cause that they all support? 1221 00:59:57,260 --> 00:59:58,800 How can we do that together? 1222 00:59:58,800 --> 01:00:01,460 So again, the role of the Church is one that's very 1223 01:00:01,460 --> 01:00:03,970 important, and we continue to ask the questions about, how 1224 01:00:03,970 --> 01:00:08,560 can faith groups work together more so that it's more 1225 01:00:08,560 --> 01:00:12,230 effective, and how can faith groups create spaces of change 1226 01:00:12,230 --> 01:00:15,860 and spaces of advocacy within your own communities, whether 1227 01:00:15,860 --> 01:00:19,400 is through Dream Sabbath or having a program, or having 1228 01:00:19,400 --> 01:00:21,880 witness days where you go out there in the community. 1229 01:00:21,880 --> 01:00:24,120 Because the single most important-- and people of 1230 01:00:24,120 --> 01:00:26,070 faith know this-- is to be a witness of 1231 01:00:26,070 --> 01:00:28,530 something, just to be there. 1232 01:00:28,530 --> 01:00:32,500 How can faith groups create spaces of witness where you're 1233 01:00:32,500 --> 01:00:35,360 going to devote one day, maybe one week, to just being there 1234 01:00:35,360 --> 01:00:39,990 and seeing what's going on? 1235 01:00:39,990 --> 01:00:42,920 Continuing the education that we have to do, education like 1236 01:00:42,920 --> 01:00:43,110 [INAUDIBLE] 1237 01:00:43,110 --> 01:00:43,940 talking about. 1238 01:00:43,940 --> 01:00:47,730 How does this impact the economy? 1239 01:00:47,730 --> 01:00:49,860 How does it impact our communities? 1240 01:00:49,860 --> 01:00:52,030 And who are we really? 1241 01:00:52,030 --> 01:00:55,260 Within the last two months, we have had three major articles 1242 01:00:55,260 --> 01:00:58,835 in Time magazine about dreamers and about the 1243 01:00:58,835 --> 01:00:59,430 immigrant community. 1244 01:00:59,430 --> 01:01:00,340 This is the last one. 1245 01:01:00,340 --> 01:01:02,382 We are Americans. 1246 01:01:02,382 --> 01:01:05,795 As I stand here today, I don't tell you that I 1247 01:01:05,795 --> 01:01:07,240 am an illegal immigrant. 1248 01:01:07,240 --> 01:01:11,240 I am an American without papers. 1249 01:01:11,240 --> 01:01:18,770 And we all are Americans without papers. 1250 01:01:18,770 --> 01:01:20,980 So how can we continue educating people about this, 1251 01:01:20,980 --> 01:01:23,140 and how can we continue changing the way that we talk 1252 01:01:23,140 --> 01:01:23,680 about the issue? 1253 01:01:23,680 --> 01:01:27,210 The Latino vote-- another huge project within the immigrant 1254 01:01:27,210 --> 01:01:31,060 youth community is after 2010, when we saw the Senator John 1255 01:01:31,060 --> 01:01:33,820 McCain, when we saw the Senator Kyl here in Arizona 1256 01:01:33,820 --> 01:01:36,090 and everywhere else, everybody else that voted against the 1257 01:01:36,090 --> 01:01:39,560 Dream Act, we were tired of the protests. 1258 01:01:39,560 --> 01:01:42,030 We were tired of asking the same people to vote for 1259 01:01:42,030 --> 01:01:43,060 something that we support. 1260 01:01:43,060 --> 01:01:49,020 And we said, how do we get rid of them? 1261 01:01:49,020 --> 01:01:52,330 So how can we go out there and change the people in power, to 1262 01:01:52,330 --> 01:01:53,940 get people there that support us? 1263 01:01:53,940 --> 01:01:57,300 And although I cannot vote, I know you can. 1264 01:01:57,300 --> 01:01:59,830 And I will be calling you to go out there and vote, and to 1265 01:01:59,830 --> 01:02:01,210 vote for the right people. 1266 01:02:01,210 --> 01:02:02,930 So immigrant youth have started a campaign called Su 1267 01:02:02,930 --> 01:02:03,050 Voz, Mi Voto-- 1268 01:02:03,050 --> 01:02:07,350 Your Voice, My Vote, from the perspective of an individual 1269 01:02:07,350 --> 01:02:09,520 that can vote. 1270 01:02:09,520 --> 01:02:13,420 That Dreamer's voice, that family's voice, is my vote, 1271 01:02:13,420 --> 01:02:16,020 and I will vote this November for them. 1272 01:02:16,020 --> 01:02:21,420 That's how we can mobilize our communities, right? 1273 01:02:21,420 --> 01:02:23,220 And lastly, because I know that my time is running out, 1274 01:02:23,220 --> 01:02:24,650 we have to continue the legal fight. 1275 01:02:24,650 --> 01:02:26,740 This I won't speak about too much, because Lydia's going to 1276 01:02:26,740 --> 01:02:29,390 be talking about the work that she does with Respect-Respeto, 1277 01:02:29,390 --> 01:02:32,270 the importance of documenting our efforts here in Arizona 1278 01:02:32,270 --> 01:02:36,050 and in other states, and how that plays in the courts. 1279 01:02:36,050 --> 01:02:38,795 Because of course, this fight just doesn't stay in the 1280 01:02:38,795 --> 01:02:39,830 streets, right? 1281 01:02:39,830 --> 01:02:41,940 It's everywhere. 1282 01:02:41,940 --> 01:02:45,480 The need to talk about secure communities, and what our 1283 01:02:45,480 --> 01:02:46,780 communities are going to look like. 1284 01:02:46,780 --> 01:02:47,830 And we call it [? insecure ?] 1285 01:02:47,830 --> 01:02:48,600 communities. 1286 01:02:48,600 --> 01:02:50,930 To talk about what our communities will look like in 1287 01:02:50,930 --> 01:02:55,250 the long-term if we have these kinds of policies in place. 1288 01:02:55,250 --> 01:02:58,830 And lastly, how do we move from resources to families? 1289 01:02:58,830 --> 01:03:01,810 And this is what I mean by this, that even when we have 1290 01:03:01,810 --> 01:03:04,750 wins like the wins that we had last Friday when President 1291 01:03:04,750 --> 01:03:08,270 Obama directed DHS not to deport immigrant youth that 1292 01:03:08,270 --> 01:03:10,810 would be eligible in the Dream Act-- 1293 01:03:10,810 --> 01:03:14,010 he went down a very dangerous path. 1294 01:03:14,010 --> 01:03:14,960 He said two things. 1295 01:03:14,960 --> 01:03:18,280 One, it wasn't parents' fault, or something like that. 1296 01:03:18,280 --> 01:03:22,270 First, I just want to say that me, or any of the youth that I 1297 01:03:22,270 --> 01:03:24,910 know, blame our parents not one bit. 1298 01:03:24,910 --> 01:03:28,720 This is not about finding who to blame. 1299 01:03:28,720 --> 01:03:31,580 This is about moving forward for what works for not just 1300 01:03:31,580 --> 01:03:33,990 immigrant youths but for families and for communities. 1301 01:03:33,990 --> 01:03:38,360 But second, the whole concept of prosecutorial discretion, 1302 01:03:38,360 --> 01:03:40,910 and even the win and the directive change that we had 1303 01:03:40,910 --> 01:03:44,600 last Friday, was based on how many resources are available 1304 01:03:44,600 --> 01:03:45,930 to us, right? 1305 01:03:45,930 --> 01:03:47,250 That's what the president keeps saying. 1306 01:03:47,250 --> 01:03:49,770 We don't have enough resources to deport them all. 1307 01:03:49,770 --> 01:03:51,880 That's why this group we're just not going to focus on. 1308 01:03:51,880 --> 01:03:54,430 We're going to call them low priorities. 1309 01:03:54,430 --> 01:03:56,860 That's a dangerous path, because when you have a 1310 01:03:56,860 --> 01:04:00,330 Congress that can, like this, increase funding so deport 1311 01:04:00,330 --> 01:04:03,250 people, what is going to be your excuse? 1312 01:04:03,250 --> 01:04:06,150 If you have all the resources necessary, what is going to be 1313 01:04:06,150 --> 01:04:07,600 your excuse? 1314 01:04:07,600 --> 01:04:09,570 So we have to catch the dialogue that's going on, and 1315 01:04:09,570 --> 01:04:13,020 we have to move from resources to family, to the fact that I 1316 01:04:13,020 --> 01:04:14,820 or my mom should not be deported, not because you 1317 01:04:14,820 --> 01:04:16,500 don't have the money to do it, but because we shouldn't 1318 01:04:16,500 --> 01:04:18,140 deport because it's not right, it's not 1319 01:04:18,140 --> 01:04:19,510 just, and it's inhumane. 1320 01:04:19,510 --> 01:04:23,470 So we have to move that dialogue forward. 1321 01:04:23,470 --> 01:04:24,620 So with that, thank you so much. 1322 01:04:24,620 --> 01:04:26,530 I know that after this panel, we're going to have a little 1323 01:04:26,530 --> 01:04:27,810 break and we're going to have some questions. 1324 01:04:27,810 --> 01:04:28,800 So I'll be looking forward to that. 1325 01:04:28,800 --> 01:04:34,775 Thank you. 1326 01:04:34,775 --> 01:04:36,440 SPEAKER 1: Thank you, Daniel. 1327 01:04:36,440 --> 01:04:37,900 OK, I've got a question for all of you. 1328 01:04:37,900 --> 01:04:42,920 We're fast approaching the time when the first slot is 1329 01:04:42,920 --> 01:04:45,820 supposed to end. 1330 01:04:45,820 --> 01:04:47,970 As you can see, we still have two more presenters up here. 1331 01:04:47,970 --> 01:04:51,430 This particular session is scheduled for 1332 01:04:51,430 --> 01:04:52,360 two different slots. 1333 01:04:52,360 --> 01:04:55,220 The first one was 3:15 to 4:30. 1334 01:04:55,220 --> 01:05:00,270 The next one is scheduled from 5:00 to 6:15. 1335 01:05:00,270 --> 01:05:02,630 I want to ask you what your preference is. 1336 01:05:02,630 --> 01:05:03,650 You've heard a lot. 1337 01:05:03,650 --> 01:05:05,250 Do you want to take a break now, or do you want me to 1338 01:05:05,250 --> 01:05:06,580 continue with our speakers? 1339 01:05:06,580 --> 01:05:09,166 AUDIENCE: [INAUDIBLE] 1340 01:05:09,166 --> 01:05:12,610 SPEAKER 1: How would just prefer to keep going? 1341 01:05:12,610 --> 01:05:15,570 I think that's the vote. 1342 01:05:15,570 --> 01:05:16,750 If you need to leave, fine. 1343 01:05:16,750 --> 01:05:20,700 We understand that you may have chosen to go to a second 1344 01:05:20,700 --> 01:05:21,840 workshop at 5 o'clock. 1345 01:05:21,840 --> 01:05:25,150 But the folks sitting here seem to want to hear more. 1346 01:05:25,150 --> 01:05:29,130 And we're going to continue doing it. 1347 01:05:29,130 --> 01:05:33,900 Lydia Guzman is our next speaker. 1348 01:05:33,900 --> 01:05:36,250 The Unitarian Universalists over the last few years, as 1349 01:05:36,250 --> 01:05:40,490 we've been preparing for this, have thrown a phrase around-- 1350 01:05:40,490 --> 01:05:44,290 working with or hearing from those people most impacted by 1351 01:05:44,290 --> 01:05:47,410 the oppressive laws that we've been talking about. 1352 01:05:47,410 --> 01:05:50,760 One of the people that works day in and day out with those 1353 01:05:50,760 --> 01:05:53,580 people most impacted is Lydia. 1354 01:05:53,580 --> 01:05:56,810 Her organization, Respect-Respeto, is a 1355 01:05:56,810 --> 01:06:01,200 community hotline that deals with a wide range of concerns 1356 01:06:01,200 --> 01:06:02,290 in the community. 1357 01:06:02,290 --> 01:06:04,950 And in fact, I think we've taken away from that hotline 1358 01:06:04,950 --> 01:06:07,560 both last night and today to be with us. 1359 01:06:07,560 --> 01:06:09,490 So she's going to share a little of her story and the 1360 01:06:09,490 --> 01:06:22,080 people with whom she works. 1361 01:06:22,080 --> 01:06:24,740 LYDIA GUZMAN: I actually have modified my presentation, 1362 01:06:24,740 --> 01:06:28,650 because in hearing some of the other speakers, I think a lot 1363 01:06:28,650 --> 01:06:32,470 of what was said is something that I wanted to cover. 1364 01:06:32,470 --> 01:06:34,950 So I just took down some extra notes here, and I think I'm 1365 01:06:34,950 --> 01:06:36,740 going to modify this. 1366 01:06:36,740 --> 01:06:40,580 I think what I want to start with is-- 1367 01:06:40,580 --> 01:06:45,480 a few years ago, I was president of Somos America. 1368 01:06:45,480 --> 01:06:53,370 Somos America was actually founded back in 2005. 1369 01:06:53,370 --> 01:06:56,680 Somos America and organizations and coalitions 1370 01:06:56,680 --> 01:07:01,530 like Somos America just sprung up across the country. 1371 01:07:01,530 --> 01:07:05,610 They sprung up across the country in response to a bill 1372 01:07:05,610 --> 01:07:10,560 that came out of our national Congress from a bill that was 1373 01:07:10,560 --> 01:07:21,910 very hateful, very SB 1070-like. 1374 01:07:21,910 --> 01:07:24,220 Congressman Sensenbrenner. 1375 01:07:24,220 --> 01:07:27,170 And it was very SB 1070-like. 1376 01:07:27,170 --> 01:07:33,400 1070 I think it's fair to say that everybody across the 1377 01:07:33,400 --> 01:07:39,710 country felt like this was a bucket of cold water. 1378 01:07:39,710 --> 01:07:41,390 Wow. 1379 01:07:41,390 --> 01:07:47,630 Out of nowhere, something like this came up. 1380 01:07:47,630 --> 01:07:51,330 And this is something that-- 1381 01:07:51,330 --> 01:07:55,430 you've heard the saying, when you put a frog in some hot 1382 01:07:55,430 --> 01:07:58,100 water, the frog is going to jump out. 1383 01:07:58,100 --> 01:08:00,200 But when you put a frog-- 1384 01:08:00,200 --> 01:08:03,560 and just so you know, I've never done this before. 1385 01:08:03,560 --> 01:08:07,400 But the saying goes that if you put a frog in some cold 1386 01:08:07,400 --> 01:08:13,010 water and then you turn on the heat, the water will slowly 1387 01:08:13,010 --> 01:08:17,689 get warm, and then the frog will die because it won't have 1388 01:08:17,689 --> 01:08:21,000 the sense to jump out, because it will kind of get acclimated 1389 01:08:21,000 --> 01:08:23,109 to that and then it will slowly boil to death. 1390 01:08:23,109 --> 01:08:29,350 So when Sensenbrenner was introduced, this was that 1391 01:08:29,350 --> 01:08:31,560 bucket of hot water or cold water. 1392 01:08:31,560 --> 01:08:34,620 And this was the shocker. 1393 01:08:34,620 --> 01:08:40,558 But I think it's fair to start with some of the stuff that, 1394 01:08:40,558 --> 01:08:49,010 way back in 1994 in California-- 1395 01:08:49,010 --> 01:08:50,500 who's from California, first of all? 1396 01:08:50,500 --> 01:08:51,300 OK, great. 1397 01:08:51,300 --> 01:08:59,760 So back in 1994 in California, this was an idea that came 1398 01:08:59,760 --> 01:09:04,670 out, and it became a citizen's initiative piece, where they 1399 01:09:04,670 --> 01:09:06,720 were circulating it so it could go on the ballot. 1400 01:09:06,720 --> 01:09:08,850 And it was called Proposition 187. 1401 01:09:08,850 --> 01:09:10,960 Does everybody know what Proposition 187 is? 1402 01:09:10,960 --> 01:09:12,600 Raise your hand. 1403 01:09:12,600 --> 01:09:17,740 Proposition 187 was probably, in my recollection, the first 1404 01:09:17,740 --> 01:09:22,200 piece of anti-immigrant legislation, something that 1405 01:09:22,200 --> 01:09:24,520 was going to be put on the ballot, that aimed to target 1406 01:09:24,520 --> 01:09:30,970 people that were defenseless, that couldn't have a voice to 1407 01:09:30,970 --> 01:09:32,050 defend themselves. 1408 01:09:32,050 --> 01:09:35,189 But in hearing all the arguments as this got on the 1409 01:09:35,189 --> 01:09:40,850 ballot, and then there was a campaign, I realized that 1410 01:09:40,850 --> 01:09:44,670 Proposition 187 was really just an argument on a problem 1411 01:09:44,670 --> 01:09:46,600 that really didn't exist. 1412 01:09:46,600 --> 01:09:52,900 Because what it called to do is it called to deny services 1413 01:09:52,900 --> 01:09:56,200 to a group of folks that didn't even qualify for it. 1414 01:09:56,200 --> 01:09:58,680 But what it did-- it sent a message. 1415 01:09:58,680 --> 01:10:01,300 We see some of these ballot initiatives on the ballot that 1416 01:10:01,300 --> 01:10:03,490 says, English only. 1417 01:10:03,490 --> 01:10:04,520 Well, yeah. 1418 01:10:04,520 --> 01:10:05,400 We know that. 1419 01:10:05,400 --> 01:10:07,460 And so does it change anything? 1420 01:10:07,460 --> 01:10:09,320 I mean, folks sometimes-- 1421 01:10:09,320 --> 01:10:11,110 I mean you see it, and they come on the ballots in 1422 01:10:11,110 --> 01:10:13,790 different states, and people vote on it. 1423 01:10:13,790 --> 01:10:16,450 But it's just the message, really. 1424 01:10:16,450 --> 01:10:18,810 But what is that message? 1425 01:10:18,810 --> 01:10:19,880 What is that message? 1426 01:10:19,880 --> 01:10:23,220 So I'm an old activist that came from California, and so I 1427 01:10:23,220 --> 01:10:26,330 saw this, and this was kind of like my awakening. 1428 01:10:26,330 --> 01:10:29,120 My activism days really started back when I was just 1429 01:10:29,120 --> 01:10:31,720 doing voter registration, knocking on doors, a lot like 1430 01:10:31,720 --> 01:10:33,400 you see a lot of the kids right now. 1431 01:10:33,400 --> 01:10:36,525 We've seen some of the young kids right now, actually, out 1432 01:10:36,525 --> 01:10:39,970 on the streets of Phoenix knocking on doors and doing 1433 01:10:39,970 --> 01:10:40,810 voter registration. 1434 01:10:40,810 --> 01:10:43,140 Let me make sure I don't fall off, because that would be 1435 01:10:43,140 --> 01:10:48,880 funny, huh? 1436 01:10:48,880 --> 01:10:52,520 So Proposition 187 and the whole debate with that is what 1437 01:10:52,520 --> 01:10:54,500 started this. 1438 01:10:54,500 --> 01:10:58,350 Years later, I came to Arizona. 1439 01:10:58,350 --> 01:11:01,450 And here in Arizona, I thought everything was fine. 1440 01:11:01,450 --> 01:11:04,890 Things were dandy. 1441 01:11:04,890 --> 01:11:08,900 And I came during a time when the discussion came up that 1442 01:11:08,900 --> 01:11:13,790 was, I guess, an illegal alien roundup in the 1443 01:11:13,790 --> 01:11:15,490 community of Chandler. 1444 01:11:15,490 --> 01:11:18,800 And folks were being detained. 1445 01:11:18,800 --> 01:11:22,180 They were being asked to prove their citizenship. 1446 01:11:22,180 --> 01:11:26,950 They were stopping folks that looked like this table, but 1447 01:11:26,950 --> 01:11:29,320 not folks that look like the ones on this table. 1448 01:11:29,320 --> 01:11:31,570 Strategically, I sat on this table, by the way, OK? 1449 01:11:31,570 --> 01:11:34,880 Because I want to point out some things right now. 1450 01:11:34,880 --> 01:11:38,834 I love you guys, by the way. 1451 01:11:38,834 --> 01:11:45,390 But the fact of the matter is when officers were asking, 1452 01:11:45,390 --> 01:11:49,250 back then, in Chandler, to do this immigration roundup, and 1453 01:11:49,250 --> 01:11:53,330 working with immigration back then, they were stopping folks 1454 01:11:53,330 --> 01:11:57,320 that looked like us, folks that didn't speak perfect 1455 01:11:57,320 --> 01:12:00,715 English, maybe because of the way we dress, maybe because of 1456 01:12:00,715 --> 01:12:02,840 the places where we congregate. 1457 01:12:02,840 --> 01:12:05,400 And they were asking us to prove that we had 1458 01:12:05,400 --> 01:12:09,130 the right to be here. 1459 01:12:09,130 --> 01:12:12,900 And so then I knew, oh, I'm in a great place. 1460 01:12:12,900 --> 01:12:17,060 I've moved to a great spot. 1461 01:12:17,060 --> 01:12:20,380 So then things calmed down for a while, of course. 1462 01:12:20,380 --> 01:12:23,140 I'm so grateful that there were a couple of activists 1463 01:12:23,140 --> 01:12:25,530 that stood up and said, this isn't right. 1464 01:12:25,530 --> 01:12:27,640 And of course the police department reevaluated what 1465 01:12:27,640 --> 01:12:29,380 they did, and I think they realized that they did 1466 01:12:29,380 --> 01:12:30,380 something wrong. 1467 01:12:30,380 --> 01:12:33,110 They established a citizen's committee so that this kind of 1468 01:12:33,110 --> 01:12:35,400 stuff wouldn't happen again. 1469 01:12:35,400 --> 01:12:37,160 Things were calmed down for a while. 1470 01:12:37,160 --> 01:12:42,490 So then in 2004 here in Arizona, we got another 1471 01:12:42,490 --> 01:12:44,860 citizen's initiative petition. 1472 01:12:44,860 --> 01:12:47,030 And this was called Prop 200. 1473 01:12:47,030 --> 01:12:47,650 And guess what? 1474 01:12:47,650 --> 01:12:50,420 It looked just like California's Prop 187, except 1475 01:12:50,420 --> 01:12:51,800 it had two pieces to it. 1476 01:12:51,800 --> 01:12:58,740 One was like Prop 187, in which they denied the Health 1477 01:12:58,740 --> 01:13:02,360 and Human Services benefits to folks that were undocumented, 1478 01:13:02,360 --> 01:13:04,940 which by the way, they still don't qualify. 1479 01:13:04,940 --> 01:13:08,680 And then the other piece was on voter registration. 1480 01:13:08,680 --> 01:13:13,300 Basically, what it said is you have to prove that you are a 1481 01:13:13,300 --> 01:13:17,410 citizen to register to vote, and at the polls, you have to 1482 01:13:17,410 --> 01:13:20,030 show your ID in order to vote. 1483 01:13:20,030 --> 01:13:21,550 All right, well, what's wrong with that? 1484 01:13:21,550 --> 01:13:26,030 I mean we already know that only citizens can vote. 1485 01:13:26,030 --> 01:13:31,170 And then this whole spin, the same spin that I heard back in 1486 01:13:31,170 --> 01:13:32,950 California, came up again. 1487 01:13:32,950 --> 01:13:34,100 We're talking about spin. 1488 01:13:34,100 --> 01:13:40,320 These folks are masters at spin. 1489 01:13:40,320 --> 01:13:44,847 They passed the piece of legislation on a problem that 1490 01:13:44,847 --> 01:13:49,590 really didn't exist, but the rhetoric behind it-- 1491 01:13:49,590 --> 01:13:53,400 it was like shadows and ghosts and things that 1492 01:13:53,400 --> 01:13:54,570 just weren't there. 1493 01:13:54,570 --> 01:13:58,200 And so it was based on fear. 1494 01:13:58,200 --> 01:14:00,260 It was based on misinformation. 1495 01:14:00,260 --> 01:14:04,300 And we continue to see it today. 1496 01:14:04,300 --> 01:14:06,800 Folks aren't coming into this country sneaking in the 1497 01:14:06,800 --> 01:14:11,827 shadows of darkness through the desert so that they can 1498 01:14:11,827 --> 01:14:13,716 register to vote and tell the government where they can be 1499 01:14:13,716 --> 01:14:15,560 sent their ballot, right? 1500 01:14:15,560 --> 01:14:16,170 Come on. 1501 01:14:16,170 --> 01:14:16,660 Let's face it. 1502 01:14:16,660 --> 01:14:18,190 That's not what's happening. 1503 01:14:18,190 --> 01:14:20,590 And here in the state of Arizona, I worked for two 1504 01:14:20,590 --> 01:14:22,320 secretaries of state. 1505 01:14:22,320 --> 01:14:25,870 My job as director of voter outreach was to report to the 1506 01:14:25,870 --> 01:14:28,050 Department of Justice if there was any inaccuracy. 1507 01:14:28,050 --> 01:14:31,290 And I would go to every single county here in Arizona, and I 1508 01:14:31,290 --> 01:14:32,860 would ask them about this. 1509 01:14:32,860 --> 01:14:34,480 And guess what? 1510 01:14:34,480 --> 01:14:37,480 In the time that I worked there, none of them reported 1511 01:14:37,480 --> 01:14:40,130 that there was this kind of stuff going on. 1512 01:14:40,130 --> 01:14:40,550 Guess what? 1513 01:14:40,550 --> 01:14:41,420 This problem didn't exist. 1514 01:14:41,420 --> 01:14:42,500 So why did we pass this? 1515 01:14:42,500 --> 01:14:42,800 Why? 1516 01:14:42,800 --> 01:14:44,890 Because it was the spin. 1517 01:14:44,890 --> 01:14:47,290 They're masters at spin. 1518 01:14:47,290 --> 01:14:49,330 So that was in 2004. 1519 01:14:49,330 --> 01:14:52,680 So because it was so popular and so overwhelmingly-- 1520 01:14:52,680 --> 01:14:55,140 I mean, this was something that resonated 1521 01:14:55,140 --> 01:14:56,340 with some of the folks. 1522 01:14:56,340 --> 01:14:58,290 This was a winning ticket. 1523 01:14:58,290 --> 01:15:03,650 In 2006, then, on that ballot, we saw probably a historic 1524 01:15:03,650 --> 01:15:06,650 number of anti-immigrant pieces of legislation. 1525 01:15:06,650 --> 01:15:11,130 We saw everything from denying bail to someone who's 1526 01:15:11,130 --> 01:15:18,940 undocumented when they were faced with minor violations. 1527 01:15:18,940 --> 01:15:21,940 What it did-- it created a double standard in our justice 1528 01:15:21,940 --> 01:15:26,200 system, because folks that look like them probably 1529 01:15:26,200 --> 01:15:28,430 weren't going to be asked about their status, and they 1530 01:15:28,430 --> 01:15:31,820 were just going to go ahead and, if they were in trouble, 1531 01:15:31,820 --> 01:15:34,720 let them go on bail and bond and just release them, while 1532 01:15:34,720 --> 01:15:42,600 folks that look like us were not only scrutinized about the 1533 01:15:42,600 --> 01:15:44,590 status, but if they couldn't prove status, 1534 01:15:44,590 --> 01:15:47,950 they were denied bail. 1535 01:15:47,950 --> 01:15:51,490 So that was one among so many others. 1536 01:15:51,490 --> 01:15:54,880 Denying students that couldn't prove legal status or 1537 01:15:54,880 --> 01:15:59,270 residency in-state tuition. 1538 01:15:59,270 --> 01:16:02,840 English-only was on the ballot. 1539 01:16:02,840 --> 01:16:03,380 So funny-- 1540 01:16:03,380 --> 01:16:05,710 English only was on that ballot, while at the same time 1541 01:16:05,710 --> 01:16:10,640 on that same ballot, they were denying folks the opportunity 1542 01:16:10,640 --> 01:16:12,550 to learn English. 1543 01:16:12,550 --> 01:16:13,770 So make up your mind. 1544 01:16:13,770 --> 01:16:16,150 Do you want us to speak English or don't you? 1545 01:16:16,150 --> 01:16:19,780 But that was on the same ballot. 1546 01:16:19,780 --> 01:16:20,860 And it just went on and on. 1547 01:16:20,860 --> 01:16:23,970 I think I remember there have to have been about 10 pieces 1548 01:16:23,970 --> 01:16:25,770 of legislation, I think, on that ballot. 1549 01:16:25,770 --> 01:16:29,060 It was just crazy, but it sent that message. 1550 01:16:29,060 --> 01:16:32,930 And they passed, and so here's what happened in 2008, the 1551 01:16:32,930 --> 01:16:34,460 following election. 1552 01:16:34,460 --> 01:16:38,660 Now the candidates became anti-immigrant. 1553 01:16:38,660 --> 01:16:43,560 The person who hated the most was going to win. 1554 01:16:43,560 --> 01:16:45,550 And that's exactly what happened. 1555 01:16:45,550 --> 01:16:49,030 In 2006, even Arpaio jumped on that bandwagon. 1556 01:16:49,030 --> 01:16:53,680 Arpaio never took that position. 1557 01:16:53,680 --> 01:17:01,130 I know this, because I remember back in 2006 I was at 1558 01:17:01,130 --> 01:17:02,690 an event with the Mexican consulate. 1559 01:17:02,690 --> 01:17:05,020 And we were giving Arpaio an award. 1560 01:17:05,020 --> 01:17:07,380 I mean, I was applauding for the guy, right? 1561 01:17:07,380 --> 01:17:10,670 We were giving him an award, because he did something and 1562 01:17:10,670 --> 01:17:16,633 he protected the civil rights of a group of folks that were 1563 01:17:16,633 --> 01:17:20,560 in a van, who were unlawfully detained by someone who 1564 01:17:20,560 --> 01:17:22,410 thought that they could take the law into their own hands 1565 01:17:22,410 --> 01:17:24,490 and hold them at gunpoint, because he suspected that they 1566 01:17:24,490 --> 01:17:25,760 might be undocumented. 1567 01:17:25,760 --> 01:17:28,150 A regular civilian did this, and Arpaio says, you're not 1568 01:17:28,150 --> 01:17:29,630 going to get away with this. 1569 01:17:29,630 --> 01:17:30,870 And he charged this man. 1570 01:17:30,870 --> 01:17:34,612 But what wound up happening after that is that Arpaio then 1571 01:17:34,612 --> 01:17:37,120 was faced with the scrutiny of-- 1572 01:17:37,120 --> 01:17:38,890 you're unpatriotic. 1573 01:17:38,890 --> 01:17:41,510 You're un-American. 1574 01:17:41,510 --> 01:17:43,190 How dare you? 1575 01:17:43,190 --> 01:17:44,520 Don't you know that-- 1576 01:17:44,520 --> 01:17:46,060 and then, of course, all of these things 1577 01:17:46,060 --> 01:17:46,720 started coming up. 1578 01:17:46,720 --> 01:17:49,610 And this was of course at the heels of 9/11 and everything. 1579 01:17:49,610 --> 01:17:52,830 And so before he's a Sheriff, guess what? 1580 01:17:52,830 --> 01:17:53,515 He's a politician. 1581 01:17:53,515 --> 01:17:55,050 And he needed to get reelected. 1582 01:17:55,050 --> 01:17:57,080 And this is how he turned. 1583 01:17:57,080 --> 01:18:03,820 And so him, like many others, just jumped on that bandwagon. 1584 01:18:03,820 --> 01:18:07,200 So when he did that, then he started doing his raids, guys. 1585 01:18:07,200 --> 01:18:09,120 That's where the raids-- everyone's heard of the raids? 1586 01:18:09,120 --> 01:18:10,880 Arpaio's raids. 1587 01:18:10,880 --> 01:18:12,450 Boy, were they popular. 1588 01:18:12,450 --> 01:18:16,710 They are still popular. 1589 01:18:16,710 --> 01:18:19,750 So where are we now? 1590 01:18:19,750 --> 01:18:23,570 Now, in not this session, but the session before that, in 1591 01:18:23,570 --> 01:18:26,480 the legislation in our Arizona legislature and other 1592 01:18:26,480 --> 01:18:30,080 legislatures across the country, we're seeing the same 1593 01:18:30,080 --> 01:18:32,185 spin, the same rhetoric, the same. 1594 01:18:32,185 --> 01:18:36,240 You know, it's funny, because they come up with these crafty 1595 01:18:36,240 --> 01:18:38,750 names for pieces of legislation that attack folks 1596 01:18:38,750 --> 01:18:42,500 that look like this table, rather than folks that look 1597 01:18:42,500 --> 01:18:45,620 like this table. 1598 01:18:45,620 --> 01:18:47,670 Secure communities. 1599 01:18:47,670 --> 01:18:49,050 What's wrong with secure communities? 1600 01:18:49,050 --> 01:18:50,650 That sounds like a pretty nice name. 1601 01:18:50,650 --> 01:18:53,170 Who doesn't want secure communities, right? 1602 01:18:53,170 --> 01:18:55,140 That sounds like a nice name. 1603 01:18:55,140 --> 01:18:57,985 The Safe Neighborhoods Act. 1604 01:18:57,985 --> 01:18:59,230 Wow. 1605 01:18:59,230 --> 01:19:03,070 Who's going to say no against the Safe Neighborhoods Act? 1606 01:19:03,070 --> 01:19:06,690 The Safe Neighborhoods Act, by the way, was the name that 1607 01:19:06,690 --> 01:19:08,990 they had when they passed SB 1070. 1608 01:19:08,990 --> 01:19:10,800 That's what it was called in the legislature. 1609 01:19:10,800 --> 01:19:13,100 The Safe Neighborhoods Act. 1610 01:19:13,100 --> 01:19:14,820 There's nothing safe about that. 1611 01:19:14,820 --> 01:19:16,090 Nothing at all. 1612 01:19:16,090 --> 01:19:20,220 And as Julie said, what this does is this puts police 1613 01:19:20,220 --> 01:19:23,770 officers in a very awful position where now they're 1614 01:19:23,770 --> 01:19:29,700 faced with having to possibly face a lawsuit or someone 1615 01:19:29,700 --> 01:19:34,390 charging them because they don't enforce SB 1070. 1616 01:19:34,390 --> 01:19:38,910 But on our side, what it does is it creates that mistrust 1617 01:19:38,910 --> 01:19:40,240 with police officers. 1618 01:19:40,240 --> 01:19:42,850 So victims of crime and witnesses of crime are not 1619 01:19:42,850 --> 01:19:45,150 calling the police. 1620 01:19:45,150 --> 01:19:46,680 There's nothing about that that makes our 1621 01:19:46,680 --> 01:19:48,070 neighborhoods safer. 1622 01:19:48,070 --> 01:19:51,230 When victims and witnesses are afraid to call the police, 1623 01:19:51,230 --> 01:19:55,340 nothing safe about that. 1624 01:19:55,340 --> 01:19:58,180 So where are they calling, then, if they're 1625 01:19:58,180 --> 01:19:59,110 a victim or a witness? 1626 01:19:59,110 --> 01:20:01,260 And what we started to do is, especially because of Sheriff 1627 01:20:01,260 --> 01:20:04,390 Joe Arpaio, we started doing some documentation. 1628 01:20:04,390 --> 01:20:05,420 We opened up a hotline. 1629 01:20:05,420 --> 01:20:07,470 And that's where I am now. 1630 01:20:07,470 --> 01:20:09,680 I run a hotline called Respect-Respeto. 1631 01:20:09,680 --> 01:20:11,480 And in this hotline, I'll tell you what, man. 1632 01:20:11,480 --> 01:20:15,880 I get calls from folks on a variety of different levels. 1633 01:20:15,880 --> 01:20:18,150 These folks are calling because they don't know who 1634 01:20:18,150 --> 01:20:20,110 else to call. 1635 01:20:20,110 --> 01:20:23,710 I've actually been meaning to change the name. 1636 01:20:23,710 --> 01:20:26,000 I want to change the name to maybe like The 911 For 1637 01:20:26,000 --> 01:20:31,020 Migrants, because really that's what it is. 1638 01:20:31,020 --> 01:20:36,110 Victims of crime of all levels. 1639 01:20:36,110 --> 01:20:38,110 Consumer fraud. 1640 01:20:38,110 --> 01:20:40,230 Domestic violence. 1641 01:20:40,230 --> 01:20:44,550 A husband hits the wife, and the husband says, if you 1642 01:20:44,550 --> 01:20:47,370 report me, you'll never see the kids again. 1643 01:20:47,370 --> 01:20:51,030 I'll take them away and I'll have you deported. 1644 01:20:51,030 --> 01:20:56,260 When an employer says to his employee, well, I need for you 1645 01:20:56,260 --> 01:20:59,015 to work 12 hours every day, and by the way, you're only 1646 01:20:59,015 --> 01:21:01,560 going to get a flat rate, what are you going to do? 1647 01:21:01,560 --> 01:21:03,580 Report me? 1648 01:21:03,580 --> 01:21:07,170 I'll have you deported. 1649 01:21:07,170 --> 01:21:09,380 Landlord/tenant, right? 1650 01:21:09,380 --> 01:21:12,720 Oh, you're going to live in this moldy apartment, OK? 1651 01:21:12,720 --> 01:21:17,110 And I want you pay me rent, cash, and even though the 1652 01:21:17,110 --> 01:21:20,330 receipt says $500, you're going to pay me $700 a month. 1653 01:21:20,330 --> 01:21:21,350 What are you going to do? 1654 01:21:21,350 --> 01:21:27,140 Call the police? 1655 01:21:27,140 --> 01:21:29,860 And it just goes on and on. 1656 01:21:29,860 --> 01:21:33,700 I had one where a manager was sexually harassing a young 1657 01:21:33,700 --> 01:21:39,530 lady who is a cashier at a local grocery store. 1658 01:21:39,530 --> 01:21:42,590 And she needs her job bad. 1659 01:21:42,590 --> 01:21:44,670 She's a single mom. 1660 01:21:44,670 --> 01:21:47,790 And she called me and she says, what am I going to do? 1661 01:21:47,790 --> 01:21:51,390 I'm a single mom, and my boss told me that if I leave, I'll 1662 01:21:51,390 --> 01:21:55,300 be faced with some of the laws that this legislature has 1663 01:21:55,300 --> 01:21:58,180 passed, like employer sanctions, and I won't be able 1664 01:21:58,180 --> 01:21:59,060 to find another job. 1665 01:21:59,060 --> 01:22:00,920 I have to stick with what I have now, but 1666 01:22:00,920 --> 01:22:02,420 he's harassing me. 1667 01:22:02,420 --> 01:22:04,300 So I said, just document everything. 1668 01:22:04,300 --> 01:22:05,130 And then wouldn't you know it? 1669 01:22:05,130 --> 01:22:07,300 A few days later, she called me, crying. 1670 01:22:07,300 --> 01:22:13,000 He raped me. 1671 01:22:13,000 --> 01:22:15,880 Sorry. 1672 01:22:15,880 --> 01:22:17,890 And I need my job and I'm not going to quit. 1673 01:22:17,890 --> 01:22:20,810 And I said, don't worry, mija, you're a victim of a crime. 1674 01:22:20,810 --> 01:22:21,830 You're going to own that store. 1675 01:22:21,830 --> 01:22:23,130 Watch. 1676 01:22:23,130 --> 01:22:26,190 So the good thing is that there are laws that protect 1677 01:22:26,190 --> 01:22:26,830 folks like that. 1678 01:22:26,830 --> 01:22:27,830 There are laws. 1679 01:22:27,830 --> 01:22:31,530 We do have laws, laws that protect people's civil rights. 1680 01:22:31,530 --> 01:22:39,450 So in order for us to take these cases forward, we had to 1681 01:22:39,450 --> 01:22:42,250 establish a documentation system. 1682 01:22:42,250 --> 01:22:44,260 And we started documenting these cases. 1683 01:22:44,260 --> 01:22:48,050 We document these cases for a variety of reasons. 1684 01:22:48,050 --> 01:22:51,970 We've documented so many cases of abuse that we've shared it 1685 01:22:51,970 --> 01:22:53,910 with the Department of Justice. 1686 01:22:53,910 --> 01:22:57,150 One of the first actions that the Department of Homeland 1687 01:22:57,150 --> 01:23:02,390 Security did, especially when it came down to some of these 1688 01:23:02,390 --> 01:23:08,180 abuses, were they removed Arpaio's ability to check for 1689 01:23:08,180 --> 01:23:10,950 immigration status on the street a couple of years ago. 1690 01:23:10,950 --> 01:23:13,360 And this was thanks to the work and the collection of 1691 01:23:13,360 --> 01:23:23,890 data that took place from Respect-Respeto, the hotline. 1692 01:23:23,890 --> 01:23:27,480 That was called 287(g), by the way. 1693 01:23:27,480 --> 01:23:31,620 Another thing that happened is that folks were calling the 1694 01:23:31,620 --> 01:23:33,460 Department of Justice and saying to 1695 01:23:33,460 --> 01:23:35,920 them, investigate Arpaio. 1696 01:23:35,920 --> 01:23:38,190 He's committing racial profiling. 1697 01:23:38,190 --> 01:23:42,120 And so the Department of Justice says, well, yeah, 1698 01:23:42,120 --> 01:23:44,880 you're making this allegation, but show me cases. 1699 01:23:44,880 --> 01:23:46,620 Well, guess what? 1700 01:23:46,620 --> 01:23:50,940 Because of some of the cases that were collected from 1701 01:23:50,940 --> 01:23:53,190 Respect-Respeto, we were able to share this with the 1702 01:23:53,190 --> 01:23:54,330 Department of Justice. 1703 01:23:54,330 --> 01:23:56,110 And not only did the Department of Justice come 1704 01:23:56,110 --> 01:24:00,040 back with a scathing report in December of 2011-- 1705 01:24:00,040 --> 01:24:01,860 and it took us three years. 1706 01:24:01,860 --> 01:24:03,900 And I'm going to say us, because it was not just solely 1707 01:24:03,900 --> 01:24:06,390 the Department of Justice and organizations like 1708 01:24:06,390 --> 01:24:10,450 Respect-Respeto, but many folks here that come across a 1709 01:24:10,450 --> 01:24:16,100 victim like this and said, call Respect-Respeto. 1710 01:24:16,100 --> 01:24:18,490 It took about three years of data collection, and we were 1711 01:24:18,490 --> 01:24:25,440 able to start the dialogue, not only to have Arpaio change 1712 01:24:25,440 --> 01:24:28,640 his policies, but also to share this information with 1713 01:24:28,640 --> 01:24:33,090 lawyers who filed a civil federal lawsuit. 1714 01:24:33,090 --> 01:24:36,070 And even though it's been three years, the justice of 1715 01:24:36,070 --> 01:24:36,860 wheels turns. 1716 01:24:36,860 --> 01:24:39,120 But they turn slowly, but they are turning. 1717 01:24:39,120 --> 01:24:42,680 So things are changing. 1718 01:24:42,680 --> 01:24:44,710 So documentation is good. 1719 01:24:44,710 --> 01:24:47,610 But when we document these cases, another thing that 1720 01:24:47,610 --> 01:24:53,540 happens is we need to share them with folks just like you, 1721 01:24:53,540 --> 01:24:55,570 or like policymakers. 1722 01:24:55,570 --> 01:24:58,220 I remember when Janet Napolitano was still governor, 1723 01:24:58,220 --> 01:25:02,910 and I shared a story with her about what would happen if 1724 01:25:02,910 --> 01:25:05,470 laws like SB 1070 would pass. 1725 01:25:05,470 --> 01:25:09,280 She was faced with a similar law back in '08, 1726 01:25:09,280 --> 01:25:10,890 and she vetoed it. 1727 01:25:10,890 --> 01:25:12,550 Very similar to SB 1070. 1728 01:25:12,550 --> 01:25:15,140 She vetoed it thanks to some of the stories that 1729 01:25:15,140 --> 01:25:16,060 we shared with her. 1730 01:25:16,060 --> 01:25:18,910 And she says, my goodness, this is going to be dreadful. 1731 01:25:18,910 --> 01:25:23,336 She vetoed it, thank goodness. 1732 01:25:23,336 --> 01:25:25,360 But I think one of the main things and one of the 1733 01:25:25,360 --> 01:25:27,650 important things that we've done with some of the stories 1734 01:25:27,650 --> 01:25:30,550 is share it with the media. 1735 01:25:30,550 --> 01:25:33,980 When we share thees stories with the media, we put a human 1736 01:25:33,980 --> 01:25:39,940 face on the pain and the suffering of the families 1737 01:25:39,940 --> 01:25:41,060 being torn apart. 1738 01:25:41,060 --> 01:25:44,710 When the camera sees the face of a child crying because his 1739 01:25:44,710 --> 01:25:50,070 mom is being put in a squad car to be taken away, that 1740 01:25:50,070 --> 01:25:53,820 does something, because believe it or not, I don't 1741 01:25:53,820 --> 01:25:57,910 care how much rhetoric and spin and lies the American 1742 01:25:57,910 --> 01:25:59,110 public hears. 1743 01:25:59,110 --> 01:26:01,120 One thing for sure is that the American 1744 01:26:01,120 --> 01:26:03,980 public still has a heart. 1745 01:26:03,980 --> 01:26:06,560 And when they see this, it's one of those things that says, 1746 01:26:06,560 --> 01:26:09,470 wait a minute, something is wrong here. 1747 01:26:09,470 --> 01:26:10,930 We have to fix a problem. 1748 01:26:10,930 --> 01:26:12,810 There's a problem that we need to fix. 1749 01:26:12,810 --> 01:26:20,360 And so in sharing this, we've noticed that we're curbing the 1750 01:26:20,360 --> 01:26:23,090 public opinion on this. 1751 01:26:23,090 --> 01:26:26,190 These aren't folks that purposely want to violate the 1752 01:26:26,190 --> 01:26:27,370 law and break the law. 1753 01:26:27,370 --> 01:26:32,560 These are folks that want to find a legal way. 1754 01:26:32,560 --> 01:26:34,350 Just give it to us. 1755 01:26:34,350 --> 01:26:35,530 We want to be here legally. 1756 01:26:35,530 --> 01:26:36,780 Just give us a way. 1757 01:26:36,780 --> 01:26:39,660 That's all. 1758 01:26:39,660 --> 01:26:42,890 But the documentation system-- 1759 01:26:42,890 --> 01:26:44,620 I'll tell you what. 1760 01:26:44,620 --> 01:26:47,920 We've been collecting calls from Maricopa County because 1761 01:26:47,920 --> 01:26:50,830 of the Sheriff, but now because of SB 1070, we've 1762 01:26:50,830 --> 01:26:53,670 opened it up, and this is what Reverend Kim 1763 01:26:53,670 --> 01:26:55,180 Brown is talking about. 1764 01:26:55,180 --> 01:26:58,010 We just opened it up, the hotline, to 15 lines. 1765 01:26:58,010 --> 01:26:58,830 And let me tell you something. 1766 01:26:58,830 --> 01:27:00,760 We're taking a bunch of calls right now. 1767 01:27:00,760 --> 01:27:02,800 These calls, again, are all the variety of 1768 01:27:02,800 --> 01:27:03,990 things, because SB 1070-- 1769 01:27:03,990 --> 01:27:06,710 you think it's just folks that are being stopped by police. 1770 01:27:06,710 --> 01:27:10,540 It's all the other pieces as well, because SB 1070 has 1771 01:27:10,540 --> 01:27:15,850 given people permission to abuse folks that look like us. 1772 01:27:15,850 --> 01:27:20,590 And what we need is folks that look like you to be advocates 1773 01:27:20,590 --> 01:27:23,010 for us, because when we go up in the legislature and we make 1774 01:27:23,010 --> 01:27:29,280 an argument about unjust laws or about making things right, 1775 01:27:29,280 --> 01:27:33,160 there are some folks that are still not convinced, and they 1776 01:27:33,160 --> 01:27:35,570 still have the seed of hate in them. 1777 01:27:35,570 --> 01:27:37,930 And the first thing they do is they roll their eyes and say, 1778 01:27:37,930 --> 01:27:39,690 of course they're going to say that. 1779 01:27:39,690 --> 01:27:41,210 They're looking out for their own. 1780 01:27:41,210 --> 01:27:44,040 But when it comes from someone that doesn't look like us, 1781 01:27:44,040 --> 01:27:44,950 wait a minute, wait a minute. 1782 01:27:44,950 --> 01:27:49,650 Maybe there's a valid argument here. 1783 01:27:49,650 --> 01:27:51,480 Coalition building is so important. 1784 01:27:51,480 --> 01:27:53,810 We know that there are a lot of good people 1785 01:27:53,810 --> 01:27:54,750 out there like you. 1786 01:27:54,750 --> 01:27:56,490 And thank you so much for being our 1787 01:27:56,490 --> 01:27:57,880 allies in this struggle. 1788 01:27:57,880 --> 01:28:01,510 We know that you see the injustices, and this is why we 1789 01:28:01,510 --> 01:28:04,700 thank you for being with us on this fight. 1790 01:28:04,700 --> 01:28:08,130 And you're here at a very crucial and important time. 1791 01:28:08,130 --> 01:28:09,560 Things are about to happen. 1792 01:28:09,560 --> 01:28:13,350 We're about to get a decision from the Supreme Court. 1793 01:28:13,350 --> 01:28:15,990 And you're probably about to see some of the 1794 01:28:15,990 --> 01:28:18,660 folks in the community. 1795 01:28:18,660 --> 01:28:22,860 They're hysterically afraid, they're scared, and some might 1796 01:28:22,860 --> 01:28:26,570 have a little bit of anger them. 1797 01:28:26,570 --> 01:28:29,860 But one thing for sure is that it's all based on the 1798 01:28:29,860 --> 01:28:30,960 injustices. 1799 01:28:30,960 --> 01:28:35,930 And so seeing you here and being with us during this 1800 01:28:35,930 --> 01:28:41,590 time, it really makes this jagged pill a little bit 1801 01:28:41,590 --> 01:28:43,480 easier to swallow from what's happening. 1802 01:28:43,480 --> 01:28:45,710 And we thank you from the bottoms of our hearts, and we 1803 01:28:45,710 --> 01:28:48,890 hope that you can continue to be an advocate for us, not 1804 01:28:48,890 --> 01:28:52,650 only in Arizona, but when you go back to your communities, 1805 01:28:52,650 --> 01:28:57,560 whether it's Maryland, Vermont, California, and share 1806 01:28:57,560 --> 01:29:01,880 the same message and be advocates for anyone who-- 1807 01:29:01,880 --> 01:29:05,630 not only in the Hispanic community, but the community 1808 01:29:05,630 --> 01:29:08,670 of the folks that sometimes need that extra voice, that 1809 01:29:08,670 --> 01:29:09,840 need your voice. 1810 01:29:09,840 --> 01:29:17,481 Thank you for standing with us. 1811 01:29:17,481 --> 01:29:20,370 CARLOS GARCIA: So once again, my name is Carlos Garcia. 1812 01:29:20,370 --> 01:29:23,410 I work with the Puente Movement. 1813 01:29:23,410 --> 01:29:27,286 I, like Daniel, was born in Mexico, and I was brought when 1814 01:29:27,286 --> 01:29:28,210 I was six years old. 1815 01:29:28,210 --> 01:29:30,050 I grew up undocumented. 1816 01:29:30,050 --> 01:29:33,200 But unlike Daniel, I was fortunate enough to be adopted 1817 01:29:33,200 --> 01:29:34,630 as a teenager. 1818 01:29:34,630 --> 01:29:37,780 The majority of my family remains undocumented. 1819 01:29:37,780 --> 01:29:43,410 I've had six people in my family be deported. 1820 01:29:43,410 --> 01:29:46,720 A lot of them still remain in the same situation that they 1821 01:29:46,720 --> 01:29:49,680 have been, living as undocumented 1822 01:29:49,680 --> 01:29:52,380 people here in Arizona. 1823 01:29:52,380 --> 01:29:58,170 A lot of times you hear people from our side say, there's 20 1824 01:29:58,170 --> 01:30:00,780 million people undocumented in this country. 1825 01:30:00,780 --> 01:30:02,860 There's no way you can deport them all. 1826 01:30:02,860 --> 01:30:05,070 We've got to find a solution. 1827 01:30:05,070 --> 01:30:07,680 And Arizona is actually proving the opposite. 1828 01:30:07,680 --> 01:30:09,530 Arizona's proving that there is a way to get 1829 01:30:09,530 --> 01:30:10,970 rid of all of us. 1830 01:30:10,970 --> 01:30:14,040 One is to physically grab folks, the way Joe Arpaio 1831 01:30:14,040 --> 01:30:16,660 does, through Secure Communities, 287(g), and all 1832 01:30:16,660 --> 01:30:17,860 these programs. 1833 01:30:17,860 --> 01:30:20,500 And the other is through this war of attrition that you've 1834 01:30:20,500 --> 01:30:23,250 heard, pieces and bits of it. 1835 01:30:23,250 --> 01:30:26,020 It's making life so miserable for people that they'll 1836 01:30:26,020 --> 01:30:27,000 self-deport. 1837 01:30:27,000 --> 01:30:29,880 Those are the conditions we're living under. 1838 01:30:29,880 --> 01:30:32,650 Lydia went through it, and I'm going to repeat it, because I 1839 01:30:32,650 --> 01:30:36,140 think it's really important, this line of attrition, of 1840 01:30:36,140 --> 01:30:37,250 what we've gone through. 1841 01:30:37,250 --> 01:30:39,360 1070 Arpaio didn't come out of nowhere. 1842 01:30:39,360 --> 01:30:41,750 In 2002, we had the English-only law. 1843 01:30:41,750 --> 01:30:45,000 In 2004, we have the social services law. 1844 01:30:45,000 --> 01:30:48,810 Since 2004 till now, people have been getting deported 1845 01:30:48,810 --> 01:30:50,770 from hospitals. 1846 01:30:50,770 --> 01:30:55,650 We had a case a couple years ago of a 19-year-old who had 1847 01:30:55,650 --> 01:30:56,680 got in an accident. 1848 01:30:56,680 --> 01:30:58,650 Sunday morning, he was with his girlfriend. 1849 01:30:58,650 --> 01:30:59,490 They got in an accident. 1850 01:30:59,490 --> 01:31:02,346 They both ended up in a coma. 1851 01:31:02,346 --> 01:31:05,530 The young man had been here since he was two. 1852 01:31:05,530 --> 01:31:06,810 The family called us in. 1853 01:31:06,810 --> 01:31:11,260 We went to the Scottsdale Osborn hospital and we tried 1854 01:31:11,260 --> 01:31:13,420 to intervene, because the family was being threatened 1855 01:31:13,420 --> 01:31:15,010 that he was going to be deported. 1856 01:31:15,010 --> 01:31:16,750 And we sat down with the hospital manager and the 1857 01:31:16,750 --> 01:31:20,960 hospital manager said, it's costing me $6,000 a day to 1858 01:31:20,960 --> 01:31:22,240 have him on life support. 1859 01:31:22,240 --> 01:31:25,680 It's going to cost me $6,000 to put him in a helicopter and 1860 01:31:25,680 --> 01:31:27,540 deport him. 1861 01:31:27,540 --> 01:31:29,420 And that's what he did. 1862 01:31:29,420 --> 01:31:30,450 We tried to get the media. 1863 01:31:30,450 --> 01:31:31,780 We tried to stop it. 1864 01:31:31,780 --> 01:31:34,920 They deported him to a little town called 1865 01:31:34,920 --> 01:31:37,200 Agua Prieta, Sonora. 1866 01:31:37,200 --> 01:31:38,730 He died two hours later. 1867 01:31:38,730 --> 01:31:42,190 His mom had five other children that were younger 1868 01:31:42,190 --> 01:31:44,080 than him, all US citizens. 1869 01:31:44,080 --> 01:31:46,270 And she was faced with a dilemma, whether she was going 1870 01:31:46,270 --> 01:31:50,150 to go with her son in a coma to Mexico, knowing that there 1871 01:31:50,150 --> 01:31:53,630 wasn't going to be a way for her to come back. 1872 01:31:53,630 --> 01:31:54,800 And that's what she did. 1873 01:31:54,800 --> 01:31:57,670 She was left in Mexico, leaving her five younger 1874 01:31:57,670 --> 01:32:01,720 children here, now having to deal with her dead son in 1875 01:32:01,720 --> 01:32:05,616 Mexico and not having a way to come back. 1876 01:32:05,616 --> 01:32:07,020 Those are the type of stories that have been 1877 01:32:07,020 --> 01:32:08,085 happening since 2004. 1878 01:32:08,085 --> 01:32:12,800 In 2006, Lydia mentioned, a couple a laws-- 1879 01:32:12,800 --> 01:32:14,130 out-of-state tuition. 1880 01:32:14,130 --> 01:32:16,285 In-state situation was now denied to 1881 01:32:16,285 --> 01:32:18,660 undocumented students. 1882 01:32:18,660 --> 01:32:19,370 There's no bail. 1883 01:32:19,370 --> 01:32:21,990 I think we're still the only state in the United States 1884 01:32:21,990 --> 01:32:27,320 that doesn't allow bail for undocumented people. 1885 01:32:27,320 --> 01:32:31,150 2007, Sheriff Joe Arpaio gets his 287(g) agreement. 1886 01:32:31,150 --> 01:32:34,230 287(g) allows him to do immigration raids. 1887 01:32:34,230 --> 01:32:36,240 He starts doing two types of raids. 1888 01:32:36,240 --> 01:32:39,490 The ones he continues to do until a couple weeks ago, and 1889 01:32:39,490 --> 01:32:43,030 then Lydia responds to, is business raids like ICE does 1890 01:32:43,030 --> 01:32:43,870 across the country. 1891 01:32:43,870 --> 01:32:47,800 They go to a business, round up anyone that's undocumented, 1892 01:32:47,800 --> 01:32:49,370 and then bring them in. 1893 01:32:49,370 --> 01:32:51,910 But what he started doing in 2007 was something we've never 1894 01:32:51,910 --> 01:32:55,480 seen in this country, which was community raids, which is 1895 01:32:55,480 --> 01:33:00,380 what you saw-- the green screen, the night vision, the 1896 01:33:00,380 --> 01:33:01,980 little kids. 1897 01:33:01,980 --> 01:33:05,600 What he was doing-- he was sending 200 of his deputies 1898 01:33:05,600 --> 01:33:09,230 into a community, into a perimeter in our community, 1899 01:33:09,230 --> 01:33:12,890 and then he was also sending deputized posse members, the 1900 01:33:12,890 --> 01:33:16,030 same folks that had been demonstrating against us. 1901 01:33:16,030 --> 01:33:19,330 The Minutemen, those type of folks, are now deputized with 1902 01:33:19,330 --> 01:33:22,740 guns and now detaining people in our community. 1903 01:33:22,740 --> 01:33:24,750 These folks were wearing ski masks. 1904 01:33:24,750 --> 01:33:29,110 Those two little kids that you saw there who are detained-- 1905 01:33:29,110 --> 01:33:34,510 their mother was taken with an officer with ski masks. 1906 01:33:34,510 --> 01:33:36,220 Those kids were given toys. 1907 01:33:36,220 --> 01:33:38,690 I don't know if you saw, they had some toys in their hands. 1908 01:33:38,690 --> 01:33:42,390 And at the time we thought, how nice these officers are to 1909 01:33:42,390 --> 01:33:45,460 give these kids toys while they're waiting for their aunt 1910 01:33:45,460 --> 01:33:47,440 to come pick him up. 1911 01:33:47,440 --> 01:33:51,270 But then we thought about it and said, this officer, when 1912 01:33:51,270 --> 01:33:53,760 he put on his gun, when he put on his tool belt, he 1913 01:33:53,760 --> 01:33:56,100 remembered to put toys in his car because he knew he might 1914 01:33:56,100 --> 01:33:57,700 be separating a family. 1915 01:33:57,700 --> 01:33:59,330 So that's the mindset that we started 1916 01:33:59,330 --> 01:34:01,340 dealing with these officers. 1917 01:34:01,340 --> 01:34:03,650 In 2008, we had the Employer Sanctions 1918 01:34:03,650 --> 01:34:06,370 Law, another pretext. 1919 01:34:06,370 --> 01:34:12,050 I think one business, until now, has been charged with the 1920 01:34:12,050 --> 01:34:15,590 Employer Sanctions Law, but again, it's a reason to go in 1921 01:34:15,590 --> 01:34:17,060 and raid these businesses. 1922 01:34:17,060 --> 01:34:23,310 In 2010, we have SB 1070, the Ethnic Studies Bill. 1923 01:34:23,310 --> 01:34:29,260 In 2011, a lot of folks thought we had won, and a lot 1924 01:34:29,260 --> 01:34:31,935 of people forget that we did have some laws passed, some 1925 01:34:31,935 --> 01:34:34,660 laws that have actually been very effective in hurting our 1926 01:34:34,660 --> 01:34:36,690 communities. 1927 01:34:36,690 --> 01:34:38,650 A couple of them-- 1928 01:34:38,650 --> 01:34:43,210 one was the Matricula ID was no longer accepted. 1929 01:34:43,210 --> 01:34:46,030 Our community can no longer identify ourselves, making it 1930 01:34:46,030 --> 01:34:48,250 easier for them to be detained. 1931 01:34:48,250 --> 01:34:49,450 The other was-- 1932 01:34:49,450 --> 01:34:51,850 and I think, to this day, one of the most effective employer 1933 01:34:51,850 --> 01:34:54,880 sanctions laws, which was the food handler's card. 1934 01:34:54,880 --> 01:34:57,180 In Arizona, in order to be able to work in the food 1935 01:34:57,180 --> 01:34:59,280 industry, you need a food handler's card. 1936 01:34:59,280 --> 01:35:02,630 They're now required for food handler's permits to have 1937 01:35:02,630 --> 01:35:04,900 documents, turning the health department into 1938 01:35:04,900 --> 01:35:06,390 an immigration agency. 1939 01:35:06,390 --> 01:35:09,710 Anytime the health department would come to a restaurant and 1940 01:35:09,710 --> 01:35:13,130 someone was unable to present these cards, then the business 1941 01:35:13,130 --> 01:35:15,130 was liable to be shut down. 1942 01:35:15,130 --> 01:35:18,070 And then finally a real mean-spirited one. 1943 01:35:18,070 --> 01:35:22,310 And I don't like to think that Russell Pearce and a couple of 1944 01:35:22,310 --> 01:35:25,210 folks are in a room figuring out a way to make life so 1945 01:35:25,210 --> 01:35:27,190 miserable for us. 1946 01:35:27,190 --> 01:35:30,190 But as these laws happen, you realize that it is. 1947 01:35:30,190 --> 01:35:33,310 It's really in response to what we're doing. 1948 01:35:33,310 --> 01:35:36,000 Something we were doing to protect our families was 1949 01:35:36,000 --> 01:35:39,450 notarizing power of attorneys for children for their 1950 01:35:39,450 --> 01:35:41,670 belongings, in case they were detained. 1951 01:35:41,670 --> 01:35:46,170 And that year also passed a law with not being able to get 1952 01:35:46,170 --> 01:35:48,720 things notarized if you were undocumented, so really in 1953 01:35:48,720 --> 01:35:54,230 response to what we were doing to protect our families. 1954 01:35:54,230 --> 01:35:57,010 So a couple of things happened throughout this whole process. 1955 01:35:57,010 --> 01:36:02,480 One is things became normalized. 1956 01:36:02,480 --> 01:36:05,700 Every single step and every time we fight something bigger 1957 01:36:05,700 --> 01:36:09,380 and worse, the thing before that becomes normalized. 1958 01:36:09,380 --> 01:36:11,350 Right now we wouldn't even think about fighting for a 1959 01:36:11,350 --> 01:36:16,860 driver's license or changing the English-only or people not 1960 01:36:16,860 --> 01:36:18,110 being deported from hospitals. 1961 01:36:18,110 --> 01:36:20,595 That's just the way things are. 1962 01:36:20,595 --> 01:36:23,230 And it's really hurtful and unfortunate that that's what's 1963 01:36:23,230 --> 01:36:26,590 happening, but that's the process we've begun 1964 01:36:26,590 --> 01:36:29,670 and we're in now. 1965 01:36:29,670 --> 01:36:32,530 The other piece-- it became very evident that Arizona was 1966 01:36:32,530 --> 01:36:35,340 a laboratory, that the things that were happening here in 1967 01:36:35,340 --> 01:36:37,770 Arizona or passing began to spread. 1968 01:36:37,770 --> 01:36:41,620 And we saw with SB 1070 and now with Secure Communities, 1969 01:36:41,620 --> 01:36:47,740 94% of the country now has secure communities, and it's 1970 01:36:47,740 --> 01:36:53,120 set to be in every jail in the country by next year. 1971 01:36:53,120 --> 01:36:57,340 So I know we could probably have some questions right now. 1972 01:36:57,340 --> 01:37:00,170 But I really want to talk about at least Puente and the 1973 01:37:00,170 --> 01:37:03,430 way we respond to this. 1974 01:37:03,430 --> 01:37:07,080 One, we kind of use an open hand, closed fist. 1975 01:37:07,080 --> 01:37:09,750 With the closed fist, we've continued to protest, like the 1976 01:37:09,750 --> 01:37:11,550 one we're going to do this Saturday. 1977 01:37:11,550 --> 01:37:14,570 What we did last July 29 in getting over 100 people 1978 01:37:14,570 --> 01:37:17,820 arrested, continuing to do marches, actions, anything we 1979 01:37:17,820 --> 01:37:21,230 need to do to stop and fight against these laws. 1980 01:37:21,230 --> 01:37:23,820 But with the open hand, we have programming. 1981 01:37:23,820 --> 01:37:27,360 That's the stuff that often doesn't get on TV and people 1982 01:37:27,360 --> 01:37:30,590 don't hear about, is really countering the attrition 1983 01:37:30,590 --> 01:37:33,680 strategy, developing know-your-rights classes, 1984 01:37:33,680 --> 01:37:38,010 having English courses, health promoters. 1985 01:37:38,010 --> 01:37:40,735 Anything we can do to make life better for the 1986 01:37:40,735 --> 01:37:43,440 undocumented people so they won't self-deport. 1987 01:37:43,440 --> 01:37:47,620 And that's the area we're working on. 1988 01:37:47,620 --> 01:37:50,930 One thing folks always ask, and I'll leave you with this, 1989 01:37:50,930 --> 01:37:54,260 is how can they help? 1990 01:37:54,260 --> 01:37:56,810 I remember last year-- 1991 01:37:56,810 --> 01:37:59,660 most of us travel across the country to talk about this, 1992 01:37:59,660 --> 01:38:02,570 but last year I was in Boston, and the whole room was really 1993 01:38:02,570 --> 01:38:05,520 excited and wanted to help about Arizona. 1994 01:38:05,520 --> 01:38:08,800 And a lot on them knew a lot about Arizona. 1995 01:38:08,800 --> 01:38:12,290 But as I begin to explain that a lot of this is happening 1996 01:38:12,290 --> 01:38:15,650 because of Obama, that the Democratic Party hasn't been 1997 01:38:15,650 --> 01:38:18,810 doing anything, and then I started explaining secure 1998 01:38:18,810 --> 01:38:23,680 communities and I let them know that the city of Boston 1999 01:38:23,680 --> 01:38:26,780 was doing the exact same things that Phoenix was, that 2000 01:38:26,780 --> 01:38:29,100 Arizona was, they couldn't believe it. 2001 01:38:29,100 --> 01:38:30,130 They were appalled. 2002 01:38:30,130 --> 01:38:33,780 They looked at me and thought I was crazy. 2003 01:38:33,780 --> 01:38:37,360 So one thing I want to let folks know and make sure that 2004 01:38:37,360 --> 01:38:40,820 you leave here with is that what's happening here is 2005 01:38:40,820 --> 01:38:43,250 happening, probably, in every single place 2006 01:38:43,250 --> 01:38:46,000 where you all live. 2007 01:38:46,000 --> 01:38:50,080 The deportations, the same stories are happening across 2008 01:38:50,080 --> 01:38:52,810 this country. 2009 01:38:52,810 --> 01:38:58,160 So again, if you have fights, if you're fighting campaigns 2010 01:38:58,160 --> 01:39:00,300 in other places, it's helping Arizona. 2011 01:39:00,300 --> 01:39:05,240 If ICE has to worry about working with you all wherever 2012 01:39:05,240 --> 01:39:10,030 you're at, then it makes it easier for us. 2013 01:39:10,030 --> 01:39:11,820 One thing that's also really hard-- 2014 01:39:11,820 --> 01:39:16,400 and a lot of folks present voting and the political 2015 01:39:16,400 --> 01:39:21,980 system as a way of winning, as a way of changing this. 2016 01:39:21,980 --> 01:39:26,090 And what I've been saying lately is giving the example 2017 01:39:26,090 --> 01:39:28,140 of LA County. 2018 01:39:28,140 --> 01:39:32,270 Here in Maricopa County, in the board of supervisors that 2019 01:39:32,270 --> 01:39:35,860 work with the Sheriff, we have four Republicans, one 2020 01:39:35,860 --> 01:39:38,760 Democrat, and obviously Sheriff Joe Arpaio. 2021 01:39:38,760 --> 01:39:42,250 In LA County, they have four Democrats, one Republican, and 2022 01:39:42,250 --> 01:39:45,240 a Latino Sheriff, Sheriff Baca. 2023 01:39:45,240 --> 01:39:48,170 And I always ask the folks here, or ask the folks 2024 01:39:48,170 --> 01:39:51,000 anywhere, if we were to flip this board of supervisors-- 2025 01:39:51,000 --> 01:39:53,540 which would be amazing and it would take years to do-- 2026 01:39:53,540 --> 01:39:56,490 and do the same thing that LA County has and get four 2027 01:39:56,490 --> 01:40:00,460 Democrats elected to the board of supervisors and elect a 2028 01:40:00,460 --> 01:40:02,620 Latino Sheriff, would that make things better for 2029 01:40:02,620 --> 01:40:03,530 Maricopa County? 2030 01:40:03,530 --> 01:40:07,890 And most people, of course, answer yes and say, that would 2031 01:40:07,890 --> 01:40:11,220 change everything and things would be better in Arizona. 2032 01:40:11,220 --> 01:40:14,060 And I let them know, LA County is the only county that 2033 01:40:14,060 --> 01:40:16,700 deports more people than Maricopa County. 2034 01:40:16,700 --> 01:40:20,280 So it's a shift in the mindset, it's the shift in the 2035 01:40:20,280 --> 01:40:24,180 normality that we are illegal, that human beings are illegal, 2036 01:40:24,180 --> 01:40:25,930 that we must change. 2037 01:40:25,930 --> 01:40:29,230 We really stand on the side of love, like your 2038 01:40:29,230 --> 01:40:30,640 campaign says it. 2039 01:40:30,640 --> 01:40:31,720 That's what we need to shift. 2040 01:40:31,720 --> 01:40:33,110 That's what we need to change. 2041 01:40:33,110 --> 01:40:35,990 A simple change in politics without accountability, 2042 01:40:35,990 --> 01:40:39,740 without changing the frame, is not going to do anything until 2043 01:40:39,740 --> 01:40:41,830 we stop the criminalization of our community. 2044 01:40:41,830 --> 01:40:43,740 So I look forward to your questions. 2045 01:40:43,740 --> 01:40:45,210 And thank you for being patient. 2046 01:40:45,210 --> 01:40:50,421 I know this is a long time. 2047 01:40:50,421 --> 01:40:53,220 LYDIA GUZMAN: Even though the federal government totally 2048 01:40:53,220 --> 01:40:56,470 prohibits this, what they're asking, at some point, in 2049 01:40:56,470 --> 01:40:58,960 complete violation of federal law, is they're asking for 2050 01:40:58,960 --> 01:41:02,060 parents to prove a child's citizenship. 2051 01:41:02,060 --> 01:41:04,160 Now that is not the law. 2052 01:41:04,160 --> 01:41:05,460 That is a violation. 2053 01:41:05,460 --> 01:41:08,600 And what we've done in response is we actually work 2054 01:41:08,600 --> 01:41:11,860 with partners like the ACLU and MALDEF and organizations 2055 01:41:11,860 --> 01:41:14,930 like that, that help us write little nastygram letters to 2056 01:41:14,930 --> 01:41:17,690 the administrators, and also to the board of directors of 2057 01:41:17,690 --> 01:41:20,190 that school district, to make sure that this type of stuff 2058 01:41:20,190 --> 01:41:21,240 doesn't happen again. 2059 01:41:21,240 --> 01:41:27,030 But what we're doing is we're playing goalie. 2060 01:41:27,030 --> 01:41:29,390 You have to stop one ball here and one ball there. 2061 01:41:29,390 --> 01:41:34,410 And we actually would like to possibly make an example of 2062 01:41:34,410 --> 01:41:37,050 the school district or school board and collect enough, if 2063 01:41:37,050 --> 01:41:39,340 there is the same thing happening over and over again, 2064 01:41:39,340 --> 01:41:41,080 so that we can file a lawsuit. 2065 01:41:41,080 --> 01:41:42,160 And this is the importance of the 2066 01:41:42,160 --> 01:41:44,260 document collecting, right? 2067 01:41:44,260 --> 01:41:48,770 So that we can say, this is against the law. 2068 01:41:48,770 --> 01:41:50,100 But we've seen it. 2069 01:41:50,100 --> 01:41:53,990 It seems like SB 1070 and all these things have given 2070 01:41:53,990 --> 01:41:57,790 permission for folks, individuals in the different 2071 01:41:57,790 --> 01:41:59,100 levels of-- whether it's schools, 2072 01:41:59,100 --> 01:42:00,320 hospitals, or whatever-- 2073 01:42:00,320 --> 01:42:01,550 to do this kind of stuff. 2074 01:42:01,550 --> 01:42:04,190 And so we're just playing goalie right now and just 2075 01:42:04,190 --> 01:42:06,115 collecting data. 2076 01:42:06,115 --> 01:42:11,340 DANIEL RODRIGUEZ: To expand a little bit, too, my belief-- 2077 01:42:11,340 --> 01:42:13,140 and I know that some people that work with me share this 2078 01:42:13,140 --> 01:42:15,150 belief-- is that what we're seeing here in Arizona and in 2079 01:42:15,150 --> 01:42:17,765 other states is not an attack just on 2080 01:42:17,765 --> 01:42:19,790 the immigrant community. 2081 01:42:19,790 --> 01:42:21,290 That's the pretext. 2082 01:42:21,290 --> 01:42:23,060 It's an attack on a lot of people of color 2083 01:42:23,060 --> 01:42:24,751 in the Latino community. 2084 01:42:24,751 --> 01:42:28,000 The people that make these laws are well aware that these 2085 01:42:28,000 --> 01:42:31,530 laws are going to affect citizens here in Arizona that 2086 01:42:31,530 --> 01:42:33,390 happen to be Latino. 2087 01:42:33,390 --> 01:42:36,940 There's no way to separate that, no way. 2088 01:42:36,940 --> 01:42:39,995 So when you pass a law here, like for example Prop 300, 2089 01:42:39,995 --> 01:42:41,340 when you have a lot of students that are forced to 2090 01:42:41,340 --> 01:42:44,450 drop out of school, you're also setting the example for a 2091 01:42:44,450 --> 01:42:46,790 lot of Latino students that see their family members or 2092 01:42:46,790 --> 01:42:51,610 their friends drop out, and so they do so as well. 2093 01:42:51,610 --> 01:42:55,410 The University of Arizona had a report come out earlier this 2094 01:42:55,410 --> 01:42:59,560 year about the rate of depression rates going up 2095 01:42:59,560 --> 01:43:02,810 amongst immigrant youth, including Latino citizens, and 2096 01:43:02,810 --> 01:43:06,750 also the rate of homelessness going up in Latino youth. 2097 01:43:06,750 --> 01:43:09,120 And I know that Lydia hears the stories, but I've heard 2098 01:43:09,120 --> 01:43:12,420 them plenty of times, where a family leaves students behind 2099 01:43:12,420 --> 01:43:14,650 or youths behind because they are citizens and they don't 2100 01:43:14,650 --> 01:43:18,100 want to lose the opportunity for the kids to gain an 2101 01:43:18,100 --> 01:43:21,590 education, so they leave and leave them behind, because 2102 01:43:21,590 --> 01:43:23,960 they think that's the best option for them. 2103 01:43:23,960 --> 01:43:25,870 So you have a lot of youth staying, like the little girl 2104 01:43:25,870 --> 01:43:29,240 you saw in the video, going house to house, staying with 2105 01:43:29,240 --> 01:43:31,320 different people so that they can stay here. 2106 01:43:31,320 --> 01:43:33,490 And that's when the parents leave voluntary. 2107 01:43:33,490 --> 01:43:36,110 Many times they leave involuntarily, as you know. 2108 01:43:36,110 --> 01:43:40,070 So of course there is no way to separate the attack on our 2109 01:43:40,070 --> 01:43:42,375 immigrant communities come from the effect that it has on 2110 01:43:42,375 --> 01:43:47,200 the general Latino citizen population. 2111 01:43:47,200 --> 01:43:47,650 [? SPEAKER 1: ?] 2112 01:43:47,650 --> 01:43:48,160 [INAUDIBLE] 2113 01:43:48,160 --> 01:43:53,036 question there? 2114 01:43:53,036 --> 01:43:54,110 AUDIENCE: Yes. 2115 01:43:54,110 --> 01:43:58,440 Could you speak about the connection between the profit 2116 01:43:58,440 --> 01:44:05,250 motive of the private detention centers and how 2117 01:44:05,250 --> 01:44:13,310 that's related to the number of deportations? 2118 01:44:13,310 --> 01:44:17,080 CARLOS GARCIA: So yeah, obviously, I think one thing-- 2119 01:44:17,080 --> 01:44:21,990 if you look at Brewer's advisers now, they used to be 2120 01:44:21,990 --> 01:44:24,005 lobbyists for CCA. 2121 01:44:24,005 --> 01:44:29,870 I remember one of the days that 1070 passed committee, we 2122 01:44:29,870 --> 01:44:33,030 all would go to the capital and protest. 2123 01:44:33,030 --> 01:44:36,070 And CCA, the Correction Corporations of America, who 2124 01:44:36,070 --> 01:44:39,000 has three facilities, private prisons, in [INAUDIBLE] 2125 01:44:39,000 --> 01:44:43,790 Florence, Arizona, had a big tent set up outside the state 2126 01:44:43,790 --> 01:44:47,050 capitol and fed all the legislators, fed them Mexican 2127 01:44:47,050 --> 01:44:49,290 food [INAUDIBLE]. 2128 01:44:49,290 --> 01:44:51,590 And so we started seeing those connections. 2129 01:44:51,590 --> 01:44:55,830 And it gets us more into what are the root causes and what 2130 01:44:55,830 --> 01:44:59,310 are the reasons for these laws being passed, that 2131 01:44:59,310 --> 01:45:00,040 being one of them. 2132 01:45:00,040 --> 01:45:06,630 Profit, over $100 a day per person [INAUDIBLE]. 2133 01:45:06,630 --> 01:45:12,206 One of the horrible sites I saw this past year-- and I 2134 01:45:12,206 --> 01:45:14,620 don't even remember when it was that Gabrielle Gifford's 2135 01:45:14,620 --> 01:45:15,895 shooting happened. 2136 01:45:15,895 --> 01:45:20,090 If you all remember, one of the persons that were shot and 2137 01:45:20,090 --> 01:45:22,500 killed that day was a judge. 2138 01:45:22,500 --> 01:45:27,320 This judge was at the time proceeding over a program 2139 01:45:27,320 --> 01:45:28,970 called Operation Streamline. 2140 01:45:28,970 --> 01:45:32,830 This was a program that criminalizes entry and reentry 2141 01:45:32,830 --> 01:45:33,670 into the country. 2142 01:45:33,670 --> 01:45:37,560 So every day, anywhere from 60 to 100 people are processed 2143 01:45:37,560 --> 01:45:42,500 and given a criminal charge, and sentenced to 30 days, 60 2144 01:45:42,500 --> 01:45:47,710 days, 90 days in these private detention facilities. 2145 01:45:47,710 --> 01:45:51,690 Coming back to the death of the judge, obviously the week 2146 01:45:51,690 --> 01:45:55,900 after his passing, he was unable to have those 2147 01:45:55,900 --> 01:45:58,390 proceedings, and those detainees weren't able to make 2148 01:45:58,390 --> 01:46:04,820 it into these prisons. 2149 01:46:04,820 --> 01:46:07,860 The following week, the streamline 2150 01:46:07,860 --> 01:46:10,290 proceedings were double. 2151 01:46:10,290 --> 01:46:13,750 So they added an afternoon session to be able to make 2152 01:46:13,750 --> 01:46:18,540 sure that these beds were filled. 2153 01:46:18,540 --> 01:46:23,450 So that gives you an idea of what is at stake and what is 2154 01:46:23,450 --> 01:46:30,156 to profit from these detention centers. 2155 01:46:30,156 --> 01:46:32,200 JULIE ERFLE: Sorry, I just wanted to say one other thing 2156 01:46:32,200 --> 01:46:33,960 on the private prisons. 2157 01:46:33,960 --> 01:46:37,900 NPR did a fantastic report, actually, on ALEC, the Arizona 2158 01:46:37,900 --> 01:46:40,510 Legislative Exchange Council, and how they 2159 01:46:40,510 --> 01:46:42,260 actually wrote 1070. 2160 01:46:42,260 --> 01:46:44,910 I mean, we credit Russell Pearce as the author of 1070, 2161 01:46:44,910 --> 01:46:48,180 but that came out of an ALEC meeting. 2162 01:46:48,180 --> 01:46:51,940 And in that ALEC meeting was Corporation Corp of America. 2163 01:46:51,940 --> 01:46:54,990 So essentially, that was written by private prisons. 2164 01:46:54,990 --> 01:46:56,850 That's where 1070 came from. 2165 01:46:56,850 --> 01:47:00,560 And they have stood to make a huge profit off of 2166 01:47:00,560 --> 01:47:01,590 immigration. 2167 01:47:01,590 --> 01:47:03,220 SPEAKER 1: And Operation Streamline isn't 2168 01:47:03,220 --> 01:47:04,180 just here in Arizona. 2169 01:47:04,180 --> 01:47:05,820 It's across the country. 2170 01:47:05,820 --> 01:47:08,190 Our board in the Pacific Southwest district actually 2171 01:47:08,190 --> 01:47:11,870 observed an Operation Streamline thing last year. 2172 01:47:11,870 --> 01:47:16,270 And it really shook folks up, because they bring in these 2173 01:47:16,270 --> 01:47:21,040 folks in chains and uniforms, and bring 15 at a time, and 2174 01:47:21,040 --> 01:47:23,320 it's just bap, bap, like that. 2175 01:47:23,320 --> 01:47:26,210 And they're off to these prisons, as Carlos says. 2176 01:47:26,210 --> 01:47:28,650 I think there's actually two workshops tomorrow dealing 2177 01:47:28,650 --> 01:47:30,480 with this more specifically. 2178 01:47:30,480 --> 01:47:33,870 I know there's one at 9:00 AM, with a group called 2179 01:47:33,870 --> 01:47:37,450 [? Enlace ?], who's working on this issue, along with an ACLU 2180 01:47:37,450 --> 01:47:38,970 person here locally from Phoenix, 2181 01:47:38,970 --> 01:47:40,260 talking about the prisons. 2182 01:47:40,260 --> 01:47:42,990 And aren't you doing one later in the day, Carlos? 2183 01:47:42,990 --> 01:47:44,333 What time is yours? 2184 01:47:44,333 --> 01:47:44,806 Do you know? 2185 01:47:44,806 --> 01:47:49,719 CARLOS GARCIA: [INAUDIBLE] 2186 01:47:49,719 --> 01:47:52,310 It's actually at 10:45. 2187 01:47:52,310 --> 01:47:54,160 SPEAKER 1: So tomorrow morning, if you really want to 2188 01:47:54,160 --> 01:47:58,840 get more educated on this particular financial aspect of 2189 01:47:58,840 --> 01:48:02,940 the prison system for profit, you'll have two opportunities 2190 01:48:02,940 --> 01:48:09,070 tomorrow morning to do that. 2191 01:48:09,070 --> 01:48:14,210 AUDIENCE: I live in Bowling Green, Kentucky, which is kind 2192 01:48:14,210 --> 01:48:19,350 of the opposite of Arizona, I feel like, at this point. 2193 01:48:19,350 --> 01:48:26,440 We haven't experienced the Latino community having to 2194 01:48:26,440 --> 01:48:30,780 undergo the extreme treatment that is happening here. 2195 01:48:30,780 --> 01:48:36,030 And my question is, how can small-town America be 2196 01:48:36,030 --> 01:48:43,880 proactive, and what steps can we take in our communities to 2197 01:48:43,880 --> 01:48:48,800 put a structure in place that will not allow this to happen 2198 01:48:48,800 --> 01:48:53,182 in our backyards? 2199 01:48:53,182 --> 01:48:56,970 LYDIA GUZMAN: My husband is from Kentucky, and this 2200 01:48:56,970 --> 01:49:02,340 November I flew into Louisville, and the place 2201 01:49:02,340 --> 01:49:06,410 where we drove to-- 2202 01:49:06,410 --> 01:49:08,930 it had to have been about an hour and a half drive outside 2203 01:49:08,930 --> 01:49:10,320 of Louisville. 2204 01:49:10,320 --> 01:49:12,130 And I know that my husband's brother 2205 01:49:12,130 --> 01:49:14,780 lives in Bowling Green. 2206 01:49:14,780 --> 01:49:15,850 And I'll tell you what. 2207 01:49:15,850 --> 01:49:21,800 The folks that I talked to were very, very welcoming. 2208 01:49:21,800 --> 01:49:24,990 And I asked this particular question. 2209 01:49:24,990 --> 01:49:26,040 I asked this. 2210 01:49:26,040 --> 01:49:28,530 Now one of the things that I saw which I thought was kind 2211 01:49:28,530 --> 01:49:32,280 of interesting was someone said to me, if you know how to 2212 01:49:32,280 --> 01:49:34,710 cook and you open up a Mexican restaurant here, you're going 2213 01:49:34,710 --> 01:49:39,000 to make tons of money. 2214 01:49:39,000 --> 01:49:43,200 But I get the fact that they were saying, also, that there 2215 01:49:43,200 --> 01:49:48,620 was a trickling in of Latinos going in there. 2216 01:49:48,620 --> 01:49:51,330 And in that little community where I drove around through, 2217 01:49:51,330 --> 01:49:56,290 I saw maybe one church with a Spanish sign and I went, wow. 2218 01:49:56,290 --> 01:49:58,430 But everything else-- 2219 01:49:58,430 --> 01:50:01,730 and then maybe like one Hispanic in a store. 2220 01:50:01,730 --> 01:50:05,430 So it wasn't the strong presence of 2221 01:50:05,430 --> 01:50:06,830 Latinos in the area. 2222 01:50:06,830 --> 01:50:10,810 But I observed how other people treated them. 2223 01:50:10,810 --> 01:50:14,400 And I thought, well, everybody was very welcoming, and this 2224 01:50:14,400 --> 01:50:18,950 to me was very refreshing, because it gave me hope. 2225 01:50:18,950 --> 01:50:22,270 And I looked at it as, this is something welcoming. 2226 01:50:22,270 --> 01:50:25,280 The only thing that really concerns me is that I also saw 2227 01:50:25,280 --> 01:50:28,460 on the news over in-- 2228 01:50:28,460 --> 01:50:29,780 I can't remember the place, where they 2229 01:50:29,780 --> 01:50:31,516 have the horse races. 2230 01:50:31,516 --> 01:50:33,190 Lexington. 2231 01:50:33,190 --> 01:50:37,180 There was-- 2232 01:50:37,180 --> 01:50:38,180 what's the name of the group? 2233 01:50:38,180 --> 01:50:41,250 It's a National Socialist movement rally. 2234 01:50:41,250 --> 01:50:47,630 And the National Socialist movement, it's like a neo-Nazi 2235 01:50:47,630 --> 01:50:48,340 organization. 2236 01:50:48,340 --> 01:50:51,050 And they were there in Lexington. 2237 01:50:51,050 --> 01:50:55,610 And they were there to recruit members, and they were using 2238 01:50:55,610 --> 01:50:58,280 the same rhetoric and the same spin that I had mentioned 2239 01:50:58,280 --> 01:51:03,240 earlier, a bunch of lies and untruths. 2240 01:51:03,240 --> 01:51:08,580 They're going to drain on the social services, on the 2241 01:51:08,580 --> 01:51:10,640 schools, on the hospitals. 2242 01:51:10,640 --> 01:51:13,110 And I thought, oh, no, no, no. 2243 01:51:13,110 --> 01:51:15,440 But I didn't see a lot of support for them. 2244 01:51:15,440 --> 01:51:18,890 I saw a lot of folks that were saying, this is wrong, and 2245 01:51:18,890 --> 01:51:22,710 they were standing up to protect the folks that were 2246 01:51:22,710 --> 01:51:23,480 being scapegoated. 2247 01:51:23,480 --> 01:51:25,464 And I thank you for that. 2248 01:51:25,464 --> 01:51:28,908 AUDIENCE: We actually had-- there were about 30, maybe 50 2249 01:51:28,908 --> 01:51:36,288 people up on the Lexington capitol steps, and there were 2250 01:51:36,288 --> 01:51:42,684 about 3,000 of us all the way down the capitol avenue, all 2251 01:51:42,684 --> 01:51:45,636 the way across the bridge. 2252 01:51:45,636 --> 01:51:49,080 And there were a lot of college kids that wanted to do 2253 01:51:49,080 --> 01:51:49,572 some ugly things. 2254 01:51:49,572 --> 01:51:53,016 But the one that chanted the most-- and they 2255 01:51:53,016 --> 01:51:54,510 left after 25 minutes-- 2256 01:51:54,510 --> 01:51:56,060 was, no hate here. 2257 01:51:56,060 --> 01:51:57,360 [INAUDIBLE] 2258 01:51:57,360 --> 01:51:59,235 LYDIA GUZMAN: Yes, I saw that in the videos. 2259 01:51:59,235 --> 01:52:00,648 AUDIENCE: [INAUDIBLE] couldn't speak. 2260 01:52:00,648 --> 01:52:02,130 They were drowning them out. 2261 01:52:02,130 --> 01:52:05,835 And it's one of the most effective things I've ever 2262 01:52:05,835 --> 01:52:07,070 been involved in. 2263 01:52:07,070 --> 01:52:09,820 But getting back to my original question. 2264 01:52:09,820 --> 01:52:10,590 LYDIA GUZMAN: Right. 2265 01:52:10,590 --> 01:52:15,480 And to answer that, extending the hand 2266 01:52:15,480 --> 01:52:17,310 to welcome a community. 2267 01:52:17,310 --> 01:52:21,440 And one of my favorite phrases is, whether you're in Arizona, 2268 01:52:21,440 --> 01:52:23,910 California, or wherever, don't fight it. 2269 01:52:23,910 --> 01:52:25,790 Embrace it. 2270 01:52:25,790 --> 01:52:29,260 Don't fight if there is a changing of your community. 2271 01:52:29,260 --> 01:52:31,930 Here in Arizona, a lot of folks said, well, you don't 2272 01:52:31,930 --> 01:52:32,960 understand. 2273 01:52:32,960 --> 01:52:34,440 My community is changing. 2274 01:52:34,440 --> 01:52:39,970 The signs are turning from "Bakery" to "Panaderia." 2275 01:52:39,970 --> 01:52:43,310 They're selling more salsa than they are ketchup, more 2276 01:52:43,310 --> 01:52:46,080 tortillas than bread. 2277 01:52:46,080 --> 01:52:50,550 But this is part of the country that we are. 2278 01:52:50,550 --> 01:52:51,520 Don't fight it. 2279 01:52:51,520 --> 01:52:53,470 Embrace it. 2280 01:52:53,470 --> 01:52:57,350 And this is where you fall on the side of love. 2281 01:52:57,350 --> 01:52:59,520 And it's just a matter of extending that hand out. 2282 01:52:59,520 --> 01:53:02,810 And thank you, and the folks in Kentucky, I love you all. 2283 01:53:02,810 --> 01:53:04,552 Thank you. 2284 01:53:04,552 --> 01:53:05,710 AUDIENCE: As [? Uni ?] 2285 01:53:05,710 --> 01:53:11,166 churches, should we partner with those Mexican churches? 2286 01:53:11,166 --> 01:53:15,134 Should we try to start a community of-- 2287 01:53:15,134 --> 01:53:15,910 LYDIA GUZMAN: Yes. 2288 01:53:15,910 --> 01:53:18,560 What I recommend is reaching out to the pastors there, 2289 01:53:18,560 --> 01:53:22,310 because I think that the pastors would probably welcome 2290 01:53:22,310 --> 01:53:27,030 someone to reach out to them and invite them. 2291 01:53:27,030 --> 01:53:30,660 Or attend some of their services and then invite them 2292 01:53:30,660 --> 01:53:34,490 to yours, or even do community picnics. 2293 01:53:34,490 --> 01:53:36,910 Because that means the world. 2294 01:53:36,910 --> 01:53:40,020 It opens the door to dialogue, to coalition building. 2295 01:53:40,020 --> 01:53:42,460 And this is what needs to take place in all the communities. 2296 01:53:42,460 --> 01:53:44,150 The dialogue, the coalition building, and the 2297 01:53:44,150 --> 01:53:45,900 understanding of each other's culture. 2298 01:53:45,900 --> 01:53:48,740 There's nothing to be afraid of. 2299 01:53:48,740 --> 01:53:49,860 Embrace each other. 2300 01:53:49,860 --> 01:53:55,910 TODD LANDFRIED: If I can add something to that too, I think 2301 01:53:55,910 --> 01:54:00,710 what people need to be aware of is it doesn't take much for 2302 01:54:00,710 --> 01:54:07,900 these types of efforts to gain a foothold in a community. 2303 01:54:07,900 --> 01:54:12,920 As I said in the beginning of my remarks, you've got to talk 2304 01:54:12,920 --> 01:54:13,800 to all the community. 2305 01:54:13,800 --> 01:54:15,450 It's not just the faith community talking 2306 01:54:15,450 --> 01:54:16,980 to the faith community. 2307 01:54:16,980 --> 01:54:19,850 You've got to go to your chambers of commerce. 2308 01:54:19,850 --> 01:54:23,650 There's a number of good films that are out, that the 2309 01:54:23,650 --> 01:54:27,170 filmmakers will come to your town and show them. 2310 01:54:27,170 --> 01:54:31,160 9500 Liberty is a good film that talks about what happened 2311 01:54:31,160 --> 01:54:36,730 in Virginia and looks at what the impacts were on law 2312 01:54:36,730 --> 01:54:39,240 enforcement, looks at what the impacts were on the community, 2313 01:54:39,240 --> 01:54:43,370 looks at what the impacts were on the economy. 2314 01:54:43,370 --> 01:54:48,500 And get that type of information out to people. 2315 01:54:48,500 --> 01:54:51,650 Because look, if you've got the NSM marching in your 2316 01:54:51,650 --> 01:54:54,420 community, you've got other fish to fry too. 2317 01:54:54,420 --> 01:55:00,650 And there's already a foothold for that kind of mentality. 2318 01:55:00,650 --> 01:55:05,450 And as I think we've seen around here, and as the old 2319 01:55:05,450 --> 01:55:09,360 saying goes, bad things happen when good people sit silently. 2320 01:55:09,360 --> 01:55:12,870 And there have just been way too many instances, I would 2321 01:55:12,870 --> 01:55:18,720 argue, in our state where good people have sat silently. 2322 01:55:18,720 --> 01:55:22,600 Good people who sat silently could have stopped SB 1070. 2323 01:55:22,600 --> 01:55:25,270 Good people who sat silently could've stopped a lot of 2324 01:55:25,270 --> 01:55:26,450 these initiatives. 2325 01:55:26,450 --> 01:55:28,940 Good people who sat silently could have stopped employer 2326 01:55:28,940 --> 01:55:31,550 sanctions, but they chose not to. 2327 01:55:31,550 --> 01:55:42,220 And so if you let them get a foothold, it's something that 2328 01:55:42,220 --> 01:55:46,880 can grow out of control in a hurry, particularly if there's 2329 01:55:46,880 --> 01:55:51,370 no countervoice to the arguments that they use. 2330 01:55:51,370 --> 01:55:54,910 I mean that's really why I use that quote in my presentation. 2331 01:55:54,910 --> 01:55:56,850 A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth gets 2332 01:55:56,850 --> 01:55:59,180 its boots on. 2333 01:55:59,180 --> 01:56:00,650 Here we are in Arizona. 2334 01:56:00,650 --> 01:56:04,910 We're at ground zero for a lot of this immigration stuff. 2335 01:56:04,910 --> 01:56:07,900 And to a large extent, the truth doesn't have 2336 01:56:07,900 --> 01:56:09,860 its boots on yet. 2337 01:56:09,860 --> 01:56:12,250 And what are we waiting for? 2338 01:56:12,250 --> 01:56:14,010 What do we need to see? 2339 01:56:14,010 --> 01:56:17,220 What do we need to hear? 2340 01:56:17,220 --> 01:56:19,620 It's mind-boggling to me. 2341 01:56:19,620 --> 01:56:26,560 But if you're proactive and reach out to a broad range of 2342 01:56:26,560 --> 01:56:29,100 groups now-- 2343 01:56:29,100 --> 01:56:32,390 don't wait till it gets bad-- 2344 01:56:32,390 --> 01:56:36,122 you'll have a much better chance of stopping this stuff. 2345 01:56:36,122 --> 01:56:37,926 AUDIENCE: Do you present in communities 2346 01:56:37,926 --> 01:56:38,828 what you showed us? 2347 01:56:38,828 --> 01:56:41,470 TODD LANDFRIED: Yes, ma'am. 2348 01:56:41,470 --> 01:56:44,861 Have plane ticket, will travel. 2349 01:56:44,861 --> 01:56:46,352 AUDIENCE: [INAUDIBLE] 2350 01:56:46,352 --> 01:56:49,334 all this information about how to make these contacts and 2351 01:56:49,334 --> 01:56:50,328 things like that. 2352 01:56:50,328 --> 01:56:53,310 SPEAKER 1: Well, there will be a wide range of presentations 2353 01:56:53,310 --> 01:56:55,390 throughout the weekend that will focus on that. 2354 01:56:55,390 --> 01:56:56,810 But I think the main thing is just-- 2355 01:56:56,810 --> 01:57:00,440 I mean, for me, as I think most of the folks up here have 2356 01:57:00,440 --> 01:57:03,610 said, for those of you that do not live in this area, 2357 01:57:03,610 --> 01:57:08,590 Maricopa County, Arizona, when you go home, recognize that 2358 01:57:08,590 --> 01:57:11,570 the parallel organizations to the ones that we're talking 2359 01:57:11,570 --> 01:57:13,460 about up here are in your community. 2360 01:57:13,460 --> 01:57:15,780 I will guarantee that. 2361 01:57:15,780 --> 01:57:18,180 There are Dream Act folks there. 2362 01:57:18,180 --> 01:57:21,300 There are people organizing within the Latino community. 2363 01:57:21,300 --> 01:57:24,300 As you said, there are Spanish-speaking congregations 2364 01:57:24,300 --> 01:57:27,570 that one can connect with as a religious community. 2365 01:57:27,570 --> 01:57:30,530 And as Todd is suggesting, don't forget that there are 2366 01:57:30,530 --> 01:57:35,950 businesses that care enough about the community that they 2367 01:57:35,950 --> 01:57:38,100 live in because they know, if they don't care about the 2368 01:57:38,100 --> 01:57:40,320 community, their business is going to be hurt. 2369 01:57:40,320 --> 01:57:42,760 So that's all there. 2370 01:57:42,760 --> 01:57:44,290 You don't need to be told who they are. 2371 01:57:44,290 --> 01:57:46,770 You just need to go home and make those connection. 2372 01:57:46,770 --> 01:57:49,600 TODD LANDFRIED: And there are a lot of Republicans who are 2373 01:57:49,600 --> 01:57:51,350 opposed to this kind of stuff too. 2374 01:57:51,350 --> 01:57:55,380 So don't make an assumption just because they're not part 2375 01:57:55,380 --> 01:58:00,270 of your immediate political circle that they may be in 2376 01:58:00,270 --> 01:58:02,660 opposition. 2377 01:58:02,660 --> 01:58:06,700 The right thing to do is ask, because a lot of people, once 2378 01:58:06,700 --> 01:58:11,596 you explain it to them, will come around. 2379 01:58:11,596 --> 01:58:13,650 AUDIENCE: My question is going to be a little tough, because 2380 01:58:13,650 --> 01:58:15,650 it's a why question. 2381 01:58:15,650 --> 01:58:19,680 Given that we know that this immigration and undocumented-- 2382 01:58:19,680 --> 01:58:22,760 I mean, the Italians in the 1900s were undocumented. 2383 01:58:22,760 --> 01:58:24,980 They got that little name, you know. 2384 01:58:24,980 --> 01:58:27,130 WOPs. 2385 01:58:27,130 --> 01:58:31,740 Why do you think that the government and local city and 2386 01:58:31,740 --> 01:58:33,310 states are behind this? 2387 01:58:33,310 --> 01:58:34,310 Because this is so extreme. 2388 01:58:34,310 --> 01:58:36,930 And I can't wrap my head around it, these mass 2389 01:58:36,930 --> 01:58:39,920 deportations. 2390 01:58:39,920 --> 01:58:41,045 What are your feelings as to why? 2391 01:58:41,045 --> 01:58:42,380 Is it racially motivated? 2392 01:58:42,380 --> 01:58:44,920 Is it targeting one community? 2393 01:58:44,920 --> 01:58:47,560 Because it really seems, quite frankly-- 2394 01:58:47,560 --> 01:58:50,760 I think 60% are Latino in the undocumented? 2395 01:58:50,760 --> 01:58:53,480 CARLOS GARCIA: I think it's a combination of things. 2396 01:58:53,480 --> 01:58:54,540 I don't think it's one thing. 2397 01:58:54,540 --> 01:58:57,080 I think it's trade policies, foreign trade policies. 2398 01:58:57,080 --> 01:58:58,240 NAFTA, what's happened? 2399 01:58:58,240 --> 01:58:59,350 What's pushing people here? 2400 01:58:59,350 --> 01:59:01,020 What's pulling people here? 2401 01:59:01,020 --> 01:59:02,930 All those different things happening. 2402 01:59:02,930 --> 01:59:06,860 And yes, sometimes it is racism. 2403 01:59:06,860 --> 01:59:10,650 In 2007, it was the first year that more non-white babies 2404 01:59:10,650 --> 01:59:12,610 were born in this state than white babies. 2405 01:59:12,610 --> 01:59:13,590 That's a reality. 2406 01:59:13,590 --> 01:59:15,520 That's something we need to talk about. 2407 01:59:15,520 --> 01:59:18,670 That's when Arpaio and a lot of this intensified. 2408 01:59:18,670 --> 01:59:21,630 That just happened nationally two months ago. 2409 01:59:21,630 --> 01:59:26,410 How is the powerful going to react to that? 2410 01:59:26,410 --> 01:59:29,330 Again, the profiteering from these prisons, from all these 2411 01:59:29,330 --> 01:59:30,030 different things. 2412 01:59:30,030 --> 01:59:31,990 So I think it's not one thing. 2413 01:59:31,990 --> 01:59:33,160 It's politics. 2414 01:59:33,160 --> 01:59:34,370 It's racism. 2415 01:59:34,370 --> 01:59:35,560 It's profit. 2416 01:59:35,560 --> 01:59:36,900 It's a whole lot of things. 2417 01:59:36,900 --> 01:59:39,150 It's misinformed, it's fear. 2418 01:59:39,150 --> 01:59:41,350 A lot of times it's just fear. 2419 01:59:41,350 --> 01:59:44,130 Some folks talking about the browning of America. 2420 01:59:44,130 --> 01:59:46,830 And we talked in length yesterday about the doctrine 2421 01:59:46,830 --> 01:59:49,170 of discovery, and it's more like the rebrowning of 2422 01:59:49,170 --> 01:59:52,030 America, and really recognizing the roots and the 2423 01:59:52,030 --> 01:59:54,840 colonization and all the horrible things that founded 2424 01:59:54,840 --> 01:59:58,650 this nation, and are coming back and are in the back of 2425 01:59:58,650 --> 02:00:02,970 our heads and are going to create the chaos that we're 2426 02:00:02,970 --> 02:00:03,870 living in now. 2427 02:00:03,870 --> 02:00:06,336 So that's a complicated answer. 2428 02:00:06,336 --> 02:00:07,190 AUDIENCE: Yeah. 2429 02:00:07,190 --> 02:00:09,570 I knew it wasn't going to be easy. 2430 02:00:09,570 --> 02:00:12,500 LYDIA GUZMAN: And if I could add to that also, it has to do 2431 02:00:12,500 --> 02:00:16,720 with the a political power grab. 2432 02:00:16,720 --> 02:00:20,950 As Carlos mentioned, everyone's talking about the 2433 02:00:20,950 --> 02:00:22,200 browning of America. 2434 02:00:22,200 --> 02:00:24,950 Well, the census numbers really scared a lot of folks. 2435 02:00:24,950 --> 02:00:27,110 Let me tell you, for those folks that truly believe all 2436 02:00:27,110 --> 02:00:33,060 of those lies and those myths, the implementation of some of 2437 02:00:33,060 --> 02:00:34,910 these laws-- 2438 02:00:34,910 --> 02:00:36,960 it really comes out of the fear of the 2439 02:00:36,960 --> 02:00:43,180 unknown, of the hate. 2440 02:00:43,180 --> 02:00:47,460 It's come to the point where, OK, if we can lock them up and 2441 02:00:47,460 --> 02:00:50,830 put them away, or make it so that we make life so miserable 2442 02:00:50,830 --> 02:00:54,360 that they have to go back to where they came from-- well, 2443 02:00:54,360 --> 02:00:57,280 back to where they came from, to folks like me, I'll just go 2444 02:00:57,280 --> 02:00:59,950 back to LA, right? 2445 02:00:59,950 --> 02:01:03,190 But honestly, let me tell you something. 2446 02:01:03,190 --> 02:01:05,710 When it comes to the power grab, they think it's like a 2447 02:01:05,710 --> 02:01:07,810 water faucet that they can just turn off. 2448 02:01:07,810 --> 02:01:13,390 And then we have started to see conversations about them 2449 02:01:13,390 --> 02:01:17,410 even trying to deny citizenship to kids that are 2450 02:01:17,410 --> 02:01:22,980 born in this country to undocumented. 2451 02:01:22,980 --> 02:01:27,510 There's an amendment in the farm bill that was up in 2452 02:01:27,510 --> 02:01:33,630 Congress that wanted to deny food stamps to US citizens, 2453 02:01:33,630 --> 02:01:38,000 children of undocumented. 2454 02:01:38,000 --> 02:01:39,840 But it's not like a water faucet where we can just turn 2455 02:01:39,840 --> 02:01:42,910 it off and then let's see if we can just stop the power 2456 02:01:42,910 --> 02:01:46,070 grab right there. 2457 02:01:46,070 --> 02:01:48,020 These aren't numbers to be played with. 2458 02:01:48,020 --> 02:01:50,720 These are real human beings. 2459 02:01:50,720 --> 02:01:55,020 TODD LANDFRIED: Yeah, I would tend to agree. 2460 02:01:55,020 --> 02:01:56,850 It's all about power. 2461 02:01:56,850 --> 02:02:00,490 It's all about who controls government, who controls the 2462 02:02:00,490 --> 02:02:05,430 provision of services, who runs the place. 2463 02:02:05,430 --> 02:02:10,660 And there are some people who, I think, just absolutely 2464 02:02:10,660 --> 02:02:14,720 positively do not want to share with anybody that they 2465 02:02:14,720 --> 02:02:16,030 don't like. 2466 02:02:16,030 --> 02:02:19,240 And it's unfortunate. 2467 02:02:19,240 --> 02:02:22,850 I mean, it's the things that Carlos mentioned. 2468 02:02:22,850 --> 02:02:25,140 It's the things that Lydia mentioned. 2469 02:02:25,140 --> 02:02:27,860 But the one thing that I think about when I hear people talk 2470 02:02:27,860 --> 02:02:34,550 about this is, if you look at just how people came to this 2471 02:02:34,550 --> 02:02:42,040 country to work 30 or 40 years ago, before the IRCA in 1986, 2472 02:02:42,040 --> 02:02:47,640 and before they tried to revise it in '97, research 2473 02:02:47,640 --> 02:02:51,690 shows that 85% of the people who came here to work 2474 02:02:51,690 --> 02:02:53,340 would go back home. 2475 02:02:53,340 --> 02:02:58,760 But they changed the laws that made it damn near impossible 2476 02:02:58,760 --> 02:03:01,920 for you to do that easily. 2477 02:03:01,920 --> 02:03:05,560 So what happens is that people would stay. 2478 02:03:05,560 --> 02:03:07,020 They would have families. 2479 02:03:07,020 --> 02:03:11,590 They would have children who became US citizens. 2480 02:03:11,590 --> 02:03:15,470 If they were so concerned about this issue, why didn't 2481 02:03:15,470 --> 02:03:21,960 they fix it and do it right in the first place? 2482 02:03:21,960 --> 02:03:23,510 Are there unscrupulous employers? 2483 02:03:23,510 --> 02:03:24,170 You bet. 2484 02:03:24,170 --> 02:03:28,510 Are there unscrupulous people who come here and wish to do 2485 02:03:28,510 --> 02:03:31,170 us harm, like the drug dealers and the arms dealers? 2486 02:03:31,170 --> 02:03:32,550 Of course there are. 2487 02:03:32,550 --> 02:03:36,280 But the vast majority of the people who are coming here 2488 02:03:36,280 --> 02:03:37,620 just want to earn a living. 2489 02:03:37,620 --> 02:03:42,130 And if they could come here and work and go home like they 2490 02:03:42,130 --> 02:03:46,020 used to be able to do, a lot of these issues that people 2491 02:03:46,020 --> 02:03:52,200 are so worried about would go away. 2492 02:03:52,200 --> 02:03:57,370 But I think a lot of it comes down to-- 2493 02:03:57,370 --> 02:04:00,730 we're going through another one of these cycles that this 2494 02:04:00,730 --> 02:04:03,200 country has gone through before. 2495 02:04:03,200 --> 02:04:06,230 Benjamin Franklin don't like Germans. 2496 02:04:06,230 --> 02:04:08,480 We had the Chinese Exclusion Act. 2497 02:04:08,480 --> 02:04:10,840 At the beginning of the 20th century, 2498 02:04:10,840 --> 02:04:13,620 nobody wanted the Irish. 2499 02:04:13,620 --> 02:04:17,290 It's this unfortunate cycle that we go through. 2500 02:04:17,290 --> 02:04:20,570 But I'll end with this, Ken. 2501 02:04:20,570 --> 02:04:23,790 I heard somebody make this comment a couple of months ago 2502 02:04:23,790 --> 02:04:26,500 and it just kind of made sense to me. 2503 02:04:26,500 --> 02:04:28,730 People are bigots for two reasons. 2504 02:04:28,730 --> 02:04:34,730 Ignorance or they just hate people. 2505 02:04:34,730 --> 02:04:38,490 And there are just a lot of people out there who exhibit 2506 02:04:38,490 --> 02:04:42,140 bigoted behavior because they just don't know any better. 2507 02:04:42,140 --> 02:04:43,870 But that gets to what Julie was talking about. 2508 02:04:43,870 --> 02:04:46,300 Some people just don't want to know. 2509 02:04:46,300 --> 02:04:48,980 But there are some people that, if you make the effort 2510 02:04:48,980 --> 02:04:51,560 to educate them, you can begin to change 2511 02:04:51,560 --> 02:04:53,330 these hearts and minds. 2512 02:04:53,330 --> 02:04:57,720 And that, I think, is what you folks are-- 2513 02:04:57,720 --> 02:04:59,930 that's y'all's job. 2514 02:04:59,930 --> 02:05:04,081 But we're happy to help. 2515 02:05:04,081 --> 02:05:08,300 AUDIENCE: I was wondering what members of the panel thought 2516 02:05:08,300 --> 02:05:12,960 about advocating for a guest worker program. 2517 02:05:12,960 --> 02:05:17,890 I am conscious that this is one of the few ideas that 2518 02:05:17,890 --> 02:05:22,910 George W. Bush had that I could go along with. 2519 02:05:22,910 --> 02:05:27,230 But it seems to me like in Europe they have the guest 2520 02:05:27,230 --> 02:05:31,760 worker program and that gave people legal rights. 2521 02:05:31,760 --> 02:05:36,320 And I think that might solve a problem of people who are 2522 02:05:36,320 --> 02:05:41,455 migrants being granted guest worker status. 2523 02:05:41,455 --> 02:05:44,560 But I don't hear anybody talking about that anymore. 2524 02:05:44,560 --> 02:05:46,230 I thought you might like to tell us. 2525 02:05:46,230 --> 02:05:46,950 LYDIA GUZMAN: Right. 2526 02:05:46,950 --> 02:05:52,420 You know, on the guest worker program, in talking to a lot 2527 02:05:52,420 --> 02:05:54,745 of folks that are here undocumented, they can tell 2528 02:05:54,745 --> 02:05:55,620 you one thing. 2529 02:05:55,620 --> 02:05:58,590 We just want the ability to work without having to look 2530 02:05:58,590 --> 02:06:00,630 over our shoulders. 2531 02:06:00,630 --> 02:06:07,580 If they can't be handed a system from the government to 2532 02:06:07,580 --> 02:06:11,080 become legalized, just give me the right to work without 2533 02:06:11,080 --> 02:06:12,450 having to look over my shoulders. 2534 02:06:12,450 --> 02:06:15,950 And sometimes that's fine and dandy, when it comes to the 2535 02:06:15,950 --> 02:06:18,040 advocacy groups, the advocacy groups are very 2536 02:06:18,040 --> 02:06:19,420 careful about that. 2537 02:06:19,420 --> 02:06:21,790 And there are two different things that are happening. 2538 02:06:21,790 --> 02:06:24,530 One is some advocacy groups are saying, 2539 02:06:24,530 --> 02:06:27,756 everything or nothing. 2540 02:06:27,756 --> 02:06:31,090 And in a way, that's kind of killed us, where we can't 2541 02:06:31,090 --> 02:06:36,830 really pass any sort of reform, because they want 2542 02:06:36,830 --> 02:06:38,100 everything or nothing. 2543 02:06:38,100 --> 02:06:42,470 And in that dialogue, the way that the other side has been 2544 02:06:42,470 --> 02:06:45,520 beating is they're passing things little 2545 02:06:45,520 --> 02:06:46,450 by little by little. 2546 02:06:46,450 --> 02:06:48,570 They didn't get everything or nothing. 2547 02:06:48,570 --> 02:06:50,800 They're passing all these pieces of anti-immigrant 2548 02:06:50,800 --> 02:06:52,940 legislation one at a time. 2549 02:06:52,940 --> 02:06:54,670 They didn't go in everything or nothing. 2550 02:06:54,670 --> 02:06:57,940 And so we have to learn on that side, like we already 2551 02:06:57,940 --> 02:07:01,000 have something, maybe, for the Dream Act, or maybe ag jobs or 2552 02:07:01,000 --> 02:07:01,760 things like that. 2553 02:07:01,760 --> 02:07:06,000 But on the other side, in trying to be careful with 2554 02:07:06,000 --> 02:07:12,770 passing work permits like they did back in the Braceros, back 2555 02:07:12,770 --> 02:07:16,540 in the '60s-- 2556 02:07:16,540 --> 02:07:18,250 it opened a door to a lot of abuse. 2557 02:07:18,250 --> 02:07:20,960 And we don't want to see that happen. 2558 02:07:20,960 --> 02:07:24,930 The discussion recently was if a guest worker program was 2559 02:07:24,930 --> 02:07:29,420 open, that that worker would have been tied to that 2560 02:07:29,420 --> 02:07:34,890 employer, and if they changed employers, then their permit 2561 02:07:34,890 --> 02:07:36,210 would cease. 2562 02:07:36,210 --> 02:07:39,520 Well, then, that opens the door to an abuse. 2563 02:07:39,520 --> 02:07:41,250 For example, if an employer says, well, 2564 02:07:41,250 --> 02:07:43,210 you can't leave me. 2565 02:07:43,210 --> 02:07:46,130 So if you leave me, what are you going to do now? 2566 02:07:46,130 --> 02:07:49,150 So it would open the door maybe to indentured servitude, 2567 02:07:49,150 --> 02:07:50,580 maybe to other abuses. 2568 02:07:50,580 --> 02:07:52,310 Because now they're stuck with that employer. 2569 02:07:52,310 --> 02:07:54,490 If they want to work legitimately, then you're 2570 02:07:54,490 --> 02:07:55,580 stuck with that employer. 2571 02:07:55,580 --> 02:07:58,160 So we want to make sure that not only that they're 2572 02:07:58,160 --> 02:08:00,140 protected, that their rights are protected so that they're 2573 02:08:00,140 --> 02:08:03,060 not mistreated, but also at the same time that they're 2574 02:08:03,060 --> 02:08:06,000 entitled to all the protections of any other 2575 02:08:06,000 --> 02:08:11,220 worker, like a US citizen worker would be entitled to, 2576 02:08:11,220 --> 02:08:18,820 with all of the protections of everything from overtime to 2577 02:08:18,820 --> 02:08:20,800 medical and all the other things that are offered. 2578 02:08:20,800 --> 02:08:47,104