1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:07,230 2 00:00:07,230 --> 00:00:10,210 Speaker 1: Look who's here. 3 00:00:10,210 --> 00:00:15,564 Donna, why don't you introduce these fine folks? 4 00:00:15,564 --> 00:00:17,480 Donna Harrison: So, I'm Donna Harrison, member 5 00:00:17,480 --> 00:00:20,700 of the board of trustees, AND I have here with me the Reverend 6 00:00:20,700 --> 00:00:27,740 Dr. Susan Ritchie, who does not have a puppet friend with her. 7 00:00:27,740 --> 00:00:33,550 Denny Davidoff, a previous moderator of this assembly. 8 00:00:33,550 --> 00:00:39,470 Denny Davidoff: Could I try out to be Susan's puppet? 9 00:00:39,470 --> 00:00:41,510 Donna Harrison: And the Reverend Clyde 10 00:00:41,510 --> 00:00:49,300 Grubbs, who is also a UUA trustee. 11 00:00:49,300 --> 00:00:53,420 So, we're actually super excited to be here 12 00:00:53,420 --> 00:00:56,400 to talk to you today. 13 00:00:56,400 --> 00:01:00,430 We went early, that's how excited we are. 14 00:01:00,430 --> 00:01:03,980 So we've been talking as an association, and on the board, 15 00:01:03,980 --> 00:01:08,150 for a long time now, about how to make our General Assembly, 16 00:01:08,150 --> 00:01:13,070 and indeed, our association, more democratic. 17 00:01:13,070 --> 00:01:16,640 And in October of 2013, the UUA board 18 00:01:16,640 --> 00:01:19,230 established a working group consisting 19 00:01:19,230 --> 00:01:21,300 of members of the Board of Trustees, 20 00:01:21,300 --> 00:01:25,090 on the topic of gathering for a purpose, 21 00:01:25,090 --> 00:01:27,992 transforming General Assembly. 22 00:01:27,992 --> 00:01:32,120 And I want to say a little bit about the spirit with which we 23 00:01:32,120 --> 00:01:34,350 are engaging in this work. 24 00:01:34,350 --> 00:01:38,910 We truly have not made any decisions, or even 25 00:01:38,910 --> 00:01:41,220 recommendations. 26 00:01:41,220 --> 00:01:43,770 We're not going to float something today 27 00:01:43,770 --> 00:01:47,870 for you to vote up or down, even though with in General 28 00:01:47,870 --> 00:01:49,530 Assembly, that's what we do. 29 00:01:49,530 --> 00:01:50,360 We vote. 30 00:01:50,360 --> 00:01:51,670 We put things forward. 31 00:01:51,670 --> 00:01:54,260 We speak pro and con. 32 00:01:54,260 --> 00:01:58,290 But we want this conversation to be a little different. 33 00:01:58,290 --> 00:02:01,250 Precisely, because we can imagine 34 00:02:01,250 --> 00:02:04,710 expanded expressions of our democracy. 35 00:02:04,710 --> 00:02:09,500 Not just for General Assembly, but for the whole association. 36 00:02:09,500 --> 00:02:12,660 We want to engage the collective wisdom of our community 37 00:02:12,660 --> 00:02:17,480 in imagining possibilities and opportunities for the future, 38 00:02:17,480 --> 00:02:22,660 long before we narrow things down to specific proposals. 39 00:02:22,660 --> 00:02:25,560 And we want to honor now, and going forward, 40 00:02:25,560 --> 00:02:28,770 the many reasons why we gather, which 41 00:02:28,770 --> 00:02:31,400 extend far beyond doing the governance 42 00:02:31,400 --> 00:02:34,100 work of our association. 43 00:02:34,100 --> 00:02:36,390 And that's why we've formed this panel today, 44 00:02:36,390 --> 00:02:38,430 to share with you what we've talked about, 45 00:02:38,430 --> 00:02:43,670 so that we can continue these conversations together. 46 00:02:43,670 --> 00:02:46,800 And before we start, we'd like to ask you some questions. 47 00:02:46,800 --> 00:02:48,890 And this isn't something you need voting cards. 48 00:02:48,890 --> 00:02:53,150 You can just raise your hands. 49 00:02:53,150 --> 00:02:56,340 So Denny, do you want to start with a question? 50 00:02:56,340 --> 00:02:58,410 Denny Davidoff: A question. 51 00:02:58,410 --> 00:03:07,080 How many of you are here as delegates with the cost 52 00:03:07,080 --> 00:03:14,050 covered by your congregations? 53 00:03:14,050 --> 00:03:19,640 Thank you. 54 00:03:19,640 --> 00:03:23,060 More questions? 55 00:03:23,060 --> 00:03:27,510 How many of you were elected as delegates 56 00:03:27,510 --> 00:03:36,610 by your congregations with a careful measurement of age, 57 00:03:36,610 --> 00:03:42,670 racial identity, gender identity? 58 00:03:42,670 --> 00:03:44,710 Raise your hands if there's a process 59 00:03:44,710 --> 00:03:53,220 in your congregation for doing this. 60 00:03:53,220 --> 00:03:54,610 Clyde Grubbs: How many of you are 61 00:03:54,610 --> 00:03:58,100 going to have organized report packs about the content 62 00:03:58,100 --> 00:04:00,420 of this General Assembly when you go home, 63 00:04:00,420 --> 00:04:06,230 and figure out ways of implementing the decisions? 64 00:04:06,230 --> 00:04:12,403 Denny Davidoff: How many of you are retired? 65 00:04:12,403 --> 00:04:22,060 Clyde Grubbs: How many of you are youth? 66 00:04:22,060 --> 00:04:25,800 Some have volunteered to be youth again. 67 00:04:25,800 --> 00:04:28,590 Denny Davidoff: How many of you have come from congregations 68 00:04:28,590 --> 00:04:31,550 where there has been a process to discuss 69 00:04:31,550 --> 00:04:40,190 the business of the upcoming assembly? 70 00:04:40,190 --> 00:04:42,300 Susan Ritchie: So I'm looking for my people now. 71 00:04:42,300 --> 00:04:45,100 How many of you would be here, if the only thing we 72 00:04:45,100 --> 00:04:49,680 did at General Assembly was governance work? 73 00:04:49,680 --> 00:04:51,401 Bless you. 74 00:04:51,401 --> 00:04:52,650 Denny Davidoff: You're saints. 75 00:04:52,650 --> 00:04:54,580 Clyde Grubbs: How many of you would be here, 76 00:04:54,580 --> 00:04:59,050 if all we did-- if we never did any governance work, 77 00:04:59,050 --> 00:05:07,600 we just did parties? 78 00:05:07,600 --> 00:05:09,210 Denny Davidoff: How many of you would 79 00:05:09,210 --> 00:05:14,720 come to a gathering of Unitarian Universalists 80 00:05:14,720 --> 00:05:26,540 annually that only had business biennially? 81 00:05:26,540 --> 00:05:28,910 Clyde Grubbs: Every other year. 82 00:05:28,910 --> 00:05:32,600 Would you come if it was every other year? 83 00:05:32,600 --> 00:05:36,020 Denny Davidoff: No, the parties would be every year. 84 00:05:36,020 --> 00:05:38,900 The business would be every other year. 85 00:05:38,900 --> 00:05:44,570 You got it Jan, right. 86 00:05:44,570 --> 00:05:47,239 Donna Harrison: And then learning. 87 00:05:47,239 --> 00:05:48,780 Denny Davidoff: The teaching moments. 88 00:05:48,780 --> 00:05:50,210 Donna Harrison: OK. 89 00:05:50,210 --> 00:05:51,840 So those were kind of fun, and I think 90 00:05:51,840 --> 00:05:54,600 that there are a lot of information there. 91 00:05:54,600 --> 00:05:56,950 It's pretty consistent with a lot 92 00:05:56,950 --> 00:05:59,620 of what we've seen over the years, 93 00:05:59,620 --> 00:06:01,925 as we've asked these questions over and over. 94 00:06:01,925 --> 00:06:03,300 Denny Davidoff: Over the decades. 95 00:06:03,300 --> 00:06:05,560 Donna Harrison: Over the decades. 96 00:06:05,560 --> 00:06:11,280 So, we're going to tell you the story of the conversation 97 00:06:11,280 --> 00:06:15,710 that we're actually, today, engaging in a conversation that 98 00:06:15,710 --> 00:06:20,480 has been going on for a very long time. 99 00:06:20,480 --> 00:06:23,250 And so, Susan Ritchie is going to share 100 00:06:23,250 --> 00:06:26,430 with us, the history of how we gather, 101 00:06:26,430 --> 00:06:29,830 and how we have discussed changing gathering 102 00:06:29,830 --> 00:06:32,270 throughout our history. 103 00:06:32,270 --> 00:06:35,120 Denny Davidoff has a unique perspective 104 00:06:35,120 --> 00:06:39,470 to share with us, having chaired the team, the committee that 105 00:06:39,470 --> 00:06:42,380 took the last really hard look at this, the Fifth Principal 106 00:06:42,380 --> 00:06:45,230 Task Force in 2009. 107 00:06:45,230 --> 00:06:49,320 And Clyde Grubbs, always, has wisdom to share with us, 108 00:06:49,320 --> 00:06:51,220 and we will hear from him. 109 00:06:51,220 --> 00:06:53,180 And then, I'll finish up by sharing 110 00:06:53,180 --> 00:06:55,560 where we are in this conversation on the UUA 111 00:06:55,560 --> 00:07:00,160 board of trustees, what we have done so far, 112 00:07:00,160 --> 00:07:03,070 and what we will be doing in the coming year. 113 00:07:03,070 --> 00:07:03,900 So, Susan. 114 00:07:03,900 --> 00:07:05,360 Susan Ritchie: Yeah, thank you. 115 00:07:05,360 --> 00:07:09,310 Donna asked me share with you, how in the past we'd gather. 116 00:07:09,310 --> 00:07:10,960 Our notion here, is that it might 117 00:07:10,960 --> 00:07:13,390 be liberating to know that things haven't always 118 00:07:13,390 --> 00:07:16,390 been exactly the way they are today. 119 00:07:16,390 --> 00:07:19,660 So, to begin with the Unitarian side of our story, 120 00:07:19,660 --> 00:07:23,120 the first gathering of Unitarians who so identified, 121 00:07:23,120 --> 00:07:27,450 was the American Unitarian Association in 1825. 122 00:07:27,450 --> 00:07:31,040 And this was just a group of 44 individuals. 123 00:07:31,040 --> 00:07:33,690 No delegates from congregations, no sense 124 00:07:33,690 --> 00:07:35,970 of representing congregations. 125 00:07:35,970 --> 00:07:38,990 And these 44 individuals came together 126 00:07:38,990 --> 00:07:41,610 to do the business of Unitarianism 127 00:07:41,610 --> 00:07:45,430 that they felt congregations could not accomplish all 128 00:07:45,430 --> 00:07:46,910 by themselves. 129 00:07:46,910 --> 00:07:49,410 So I hope you'll be as amused, and delighted, 130 00:07:49,410 --> 00:07:51,490 as I was by what they decided. 131 00:07:51,490 --> 00:07:53,640 The most pressing the order of business 132 00:07:53,640 --> 00:07:57,920 for this original Unitarian Association would be, 133 00:07:57,920 --> 00:08:02,571 they decided that they must immediately publish a novel. 134 00:08:02,571 --> 00:08:03,780 I kid you not. 135 00:08:03,780 --> 00:08:06,650 The first action of the American Unitarian Association 136 00:08:06,650 --> 00:08:09,910 was the publishing of a New England tale, a novel that 137 00:08:09,910 --> 00:08:14,700 includes nowhere within it, the word Unitarian. 138 00:08:14,700 --> 00:08:16,330 It's actually a charming novel. 139 00:08:16,330 --> 00:08:18,510 It's about a sweet Quaker girl who 140 00:08:18,510 --> 00:08:22,530 was victimized by people who would become evil by virtue 141 00:08:22,530 --> 00:08:25,450 of their belief in the Doctrine of original sin. 142 00:08:25,450 --> 00:08:26,610 It's a great read. 143 00:08:26,610 --> 00:08:28,790 I recommend it to you. 144 00:08:28,790 --> 00:08:33,210 Denny Davidoff: I'm waiting for the movie. 145 00:08:33,210 --> 00:08:35,659 Susan Ritchie: It would be an OK movie, actually. 146 00:08:35,659 --> 00:08:39,610 It wasn't until just about after the time of the Civil War, 147 00:08:39,610 --> 00:08:43,530 that we had any Unitarian body that sent delegates 148 00:08:43,530 --> 00:08:47,010 to meet as congregations talking with each other. 149 00:08:47,010 --> 00:08:48,870 And this was a National Council that 150 00:08:48,870 --> 00:08:51,220 was established by Henry Bellows. 151 00:08:51,220 --> 00:08:53,770 And that body, however, didn't do 152 00:08:53,770 --> 00:08:55,980 the business of the association. 153 00:08:55,980 --> 00:08:59,160 That body talked about large, theological questions. 154 00:08:59,160 --> 00:09:01,010 What did it mean to be Unitarian? 155 00:09:01,010 --> 00:09:04,790 What did it mean to be Unitarian in that particular time, 156 00:09:04,790 --> 00:09:07,060 and that particular place? 157 00:09:07,060 --> 00:09:09,610 And so, these two different bodies, 158 00:09:09,610 --> 00:09:11,190 the one that did the business work, 159 00:09:11,190 --> 00:09:16,180 and the one that did this larger work of theological discussion, 160 00:09:16,180 --> 00:09:19,700 continued parallel through the end of the 19th century. 161 00:09:19,700 --> 00:09:22,350 Beginning of the 20th century, those two bodies 162 00:09:22,350 --> 00:09:25,790 merged under the Unitarian Universalist Association. 163 00:09:25,790 --> 00:09:28,870 But still, the American Unitarian Association 164 00:09:28,870 --> 00:09:31,490 kept two separate meetings, one in the fall, 165 00:09:31,490 --> 00:09:32,890 and one in the spring. 166 00:09:32,890 --> 00:09:36,880 The one for business, the other for larger conversation. 167 00:09:36,880 --> 00:09:39,230 At the time of consolidation, you 168 00:09:39,230 --> 00:09:40,860 begin to get something that might 169 00:09:40,860 --> 00:09:46,000 look more familiar to you, as GA today, in that we had delegates 170 00:09:46,000 --> 00:09:48,640 from congregations coming together 171 00:09:48,640 --> 00:09:51,500 to do the business of the association. 172 00:09:51,500 --> 00:09:53,340 But if we could transform our self 173 00:09:53,340 --> 00:09:56,760 back to that first meeting, after consolidation, 174 00:09:56,760 --> 00:10:00,540 you probably wouldn't recognize a lot of what we see today, 175 00:10:00,540 --> 00:10:02,740 because those delegates really were just 176 00:10:02,740 --> 00:10:04,680 delegates there to do business. 177 00:10:04,680 --> 00:10:06,220 And the number of those delegates 178 00:10:06,220 --> 00:10:08,380 was small enough that all of that business 179 00:10:08,380 --> 00:10:12,430 could be done within one hotel ballroom, clearly not 180 00:10:12,430 --> 00:10:14,040 our situation today. 181 00:10:14,040 --> 00:10:17,310 So what happened most after consolidation, 182 00:10:17,310 --> 00:10:20,630 was the growth in numbers of people attending General 183 00:10:20,630 --> 00:10:23,170 Assembly, and people starting to attend 184 00:10:23,170 --> 00:10:26,840 General Assembly for reasons other than just doing 185 00:10:26,840 --> 00:10:29,420 the delegate business of the body. 186 00:10:29,420 --> 00:10:32,370 And so, you began to see General Assembly be a place where 187 00:10:32,370 --> 00:10:34,780 people came for continuing education, 188 00:10:34,780 --> 00:10:38,800 and for leadership development, and the numbers began to grow. 189 00:10:38,800 --> 00:10:40,930 And as the numbers began to grow, 190 00:10:40,930 --> 00:10:43,640 it also became an opportunity for other things. 191 00:10:43,640 --> 00:10:47,390 It became a place to vie vital chalice [INAUDIBLE] 192 00:10:47,390 --> 00:10:49,970 It became a marketplace. 193 00:10:49,970 --> 00:10:51,970 It became a place of meaning. 194 00:10:51,970 --> 00:10:56,050 And perhaps, more profoundly, as the numbers of folks attending 195 00:10:56,050 --> 00:10:59,830 grew significantly, it became an important spiritual home 196 00:10:59,830 --> 00:11:03,590 for folks who have identities that might be minority 197 00:11:03,590 --> 00:11:05,490 within their own congregations. 198 00:11:05,490 --> 00:11:07,420 But where here, they can come together 199 00:11:07,420 --> 00:11:10,850 and find a sense of caucus, and empowerment. 200 00:11:10,850 --> 00:11:13,860 And then finally, the development that happened 201 00:11:13,860 --> 00:11:16,020 was fairly recently, and most spectacularly, 202 00:11:16,020 --> 00:11:17,750 realized in Phoenix. 203 00:11:17,750 --> 00:11:20,920 This understanding that when we come together as a large body, 204 00:11:20,920 --> 00:11:24,120 we have opportunities for witness. 205 00:11:24,120 --> 00:11:26,630 So I wanted to very quickly back up, and tell you 206 00:11:26,630 --> 00:11:28,970 what the Universalists were doing, 207 00:11:28,970 --> 00:11:31,760 and then we'll go on to Denny to hear about the Fifth Principle 208 00:11:31,760 --> 00:11:32,990 Task Force. 209 00:11:32,990 --> 00:11:34,860 So the first Universalist gatherings 210 00:11:34,860 --> 00:11:37,440 were all fairly small regional gatherings, 211 00:11:37,440 --> 00:11:39,500 but they were huge in number. 212 00:11:39,500 --> 00:11:43,130 In 1838, in Akron, Ohio, you could get out 213 00:11:43,130 --> 00:11:47,360 4,000 people for a small regional gathering. 214 00:11:47,360 --> 00:11:49,380 Now what were they doing at these gatherings? 215 00:11:49,380 --> 00:11:51,780 Well they did do business, but they did business 216 00:11:51,780 --> 00:11:54,880 the Universalist way, which just meant that they first 217 00:11:54,880 --> 00:11:57,640 had this very careful system of having delegates, 218 00:11:57,640 --> 00:11:59,340 but they pretty much soon decided 219 00:11:59,340 --> 00:12:01,540 that anybody who wanted to vote on business 220 00:12:01,540 --> 00:12:03,290 should be allowed, because you all come. 221 00:12:03,290 --> 00:12:05,020 It's all good. 222 00:12:05,020 --> 00:12:07,270 So why they did business, why they gathered, 223 00:12:07,270 --> 00:12:10,320 clearly they didn't gather for the purpose of business. 224 00:12:10,320 --> 00:12:12,752 They also did faith revival when they gathered. 225 00:12:12,752 --> 00:12:15,210 They would hear preaching, and they would worship together, 226 00:12:15,210 --> 00:12:18,320 but I'm pretty sure that wasn't the reason they gathered too. 227 00:12:18,320 --> 00:12:21,180 Here's the funky thing about those Universalists, 228 00:12:21,180 --> 00:12:31,380 they gather because they like to see each other face to face. 229 00:12:31,380 --> 00:12:34,420 So those regional assemblies, though, gradually changed. 230 00:12:34,420 --> 00:12:37,630 And after the Civil War, the state conventions 231 00:12:37,630 --> 00:12:40,810 took over the functions of the regional assembly. 232 00:12:40,810 --> 00:12:42,990 And there was widespread conversation 233 00:12:42,990 --> 00:12:45,600 in the Universalist world, and concern. 234 00:12:45,600 --> 00:12:49,210 The concern was expressly stated as, if the state conventions 235 00:12:49,210 --> 00:12:51,130 take over our gatherings, there's 236 00:12:51,130 --> 00:12:58,420 going to be more programming, and less joy. 237 00:12:58,420 --> 00:13:02,080 So finally, just to let you know, part of this conversation 238 00:13:02,080 --> 00:13:04,710 is about the concern that General Assembly 239 00:13:04,710 --> 00:13:07,194 hasn't been economically accessible. 240 00:13:07,194 --> 00:13:08,610 And you should know, that this has 241 00:13:08,610 --> 00:13:10,560 been on the radar of General Assembly 242 00:13:10,560 --> 00:13:14,420 since immediately after consolidation. 243 00:13:14,420 --> 00:13:17,380 The very first year after consolidation, 244 00:13:17,380 --> 00:13:20,930 there was concern to establish a travel equalization fund, that 245 00:13:20,930 --> 00:13:23,860 might make it more possible for people to be here. 246 00:13:23,860 --> 00:13:26,840 That proved incredibly complicated to administer, 247 00:13:26,840 --> 00:13:29,270 and it was then, shortly thereafter, 248 00:13:29,270 --> 00:13:31,150 that we had these first conversations 249 00:13:31,150 --> 00:13:33,880 about biennial General Assemblies. 250 00:13:33,880 --> 00:13:36,980 So, the bad news is, we've had the same conversation 251 00:13:36,980 --> 00:13:38,520 for a long time. 252 00:13:38,520 --> 00:13:40,970 The good news is, I think we're finally 253 00:13:40,970 --> 00:13:44,390 learning to change the question, to not just be about what 254 00:13:44,390 --> 00:13:47,250 General Assembly is, but what kind of democracy 255 00:13:47,250 --> 00:13:48,870 we want for all of us. 256 00:13:48,870 --> 00:13:51,350 So anyway, as we go forward, I hope 257 00:13:51,350 --> 00:13:54,520 we can find ways to celebrate all the many reasons we have 258 00:13:54,520 --> 00:13:56,530 gathered, and all the gatherings we've 259 00:13:56,530 --> 00:13:59,742 had for absolutely no reason. 260 00:13:59,742 --> 00:14:06,060 Denny Davidoff: So Susan, One of the pressures volumes 261 00:14:06,060 --> 00:14:08,790 in my library at home that a friend 262 00:14:08,790 --> 00:14:14,260 of mine's, who's not a UU, found at a book sale in Durham, North 263 00:14:14,260 --> 00:14:20,820 Carolina, is the bound, hard copy minutes, and program, 264 00:14:20,820 --> 00:14:25,050 at all the speeches at the centennial meeting 265 00:14:25,050 --> 00:14:31,490 of the Universalists in Gloucester in 1870, 266 00:14:31,490 --> 00:14:36,010 I think '78. 267 00:14:36,010 --> 00:14:42,680 And there were 10-- try to imagine 10,000 people camping 268 00:14:42,680 --> 00:14:46,460 in Gloucester, with the women in those long skirts, 269 00:14:46,460 --> 00:14:51,200 and the guys in their wool jackets, and anyway. 270 00:14:51,200 --> 00:14:57,260 So one of the big issues at that centennial meeting, 271 00:14:57,260 --> 00:15:03,410 was how are we going to fund our theological schools. 272 00:15:03,410 --> 00:15:06,740 It was the big issue. 273 00:15:06,740 --> 00:15:12,350 In 2007, I was honored, and I might say genuinely delighted, 274 00:15:12,350 --> 00:15:15,860 to be asked by Gini Courter on behalf of the UUA 275 00:15:15,860 --> 00:15:20,790 board of Trustees, to serve as chair of the Fifth Principal 276 00:15:20,790 --> 00:15:22,340 Task Force. 277 00:15:22,340 --> 00:15:29,290 Charged to imagine a more democratic, a more inclusive, 278 00:15:29,290 --> 00:15:34,190 a more diverse, General Assembly. 279 00:15:34,190 --> 00:15:39,940 Or, gathering to govern. 280 00:15:39,940 --> 00:15:46,360 Imagine, we were charged, and make recommendations. 281 00:15:46,360 --> 00:15:51,370 So, my colleagues, who I want to name, Joe Sullivan, Esther 282 00:15:51,370 --> 00:15:58,390 Rosado, Daniel O'Connell, Jackie Shanti, Barbara Prairie, Mark 283 00:15:58,390 --> 00:16:02,900 Givens, and for a time, until he became ill, 284 00:16:02,900 --> 00:16:07,620 Jose Ballester, and I went to work. 285 00:16:07,620 --> 00:16:14,260 We examined the history of our UUA governance, 286 00:16:14,260 --> 00:16:18,700 much of which I have personally witnessed, 287 00:16:18,700 --> 00:16:23,220 since I started coming to General Assembly in 1968, 288 00:16:23,220 --> 00:16:29,750 and have missed only three since then. 289 00:16:29,750 --> 00:16:37,750 We fretted about the disenfranchised young people 290 00:16:37,750 --> 00:16:43,310 of color, sister and brother Unitarian Universalists 291 00:16:43,310 --> 00:16:47,700 who could not afford to be delegates, because they lacked 292 00:16:47,700 --> 00:16:56,680 the money, or the time, or the influence, or all of the above. 293 00:16:56,680 --> 00:17:00,500 We fretted about the congregations 294 00:17:00,500 --> 00:17:05,680 whose isolation, or culture of anger, 295 00:17:05,680 --> 00:17:09,890 kept them from participating in governance as members 296 00:17:09,890 --> 00:17:12,430 of the UUA. 297 00:17:12,430 --> 00:17:20,050 We considered annual versus biennial meetings. 298 00:17:20,050 --> 00:17:26,730 We thought about, in 2007, technological opportunities, 299 00:17:26,730 --> 00:17:29,940 and thought about the implications 300 00:17:29,940 --> 00:17:34,360 of then emerging policy governance. 301 00:17:34,360 --> 00:17:41,080 We interviewed staff at the Presbyterian Church USA, 302 00:17:41,080 --> 00:17:47,500 the United Church of Christ, the Episcopal Church of America. 303 00:17:47,500 --> 00:17:50,470 They meet triennially, by the way. 304 00:17:50,470 --> 00:17:54,550 And the Union for Reform Judaism. 305 00:17:54,550 --> 00:18:01,604 We talk to them about how they gather denominationally. 306 00:18:01,604 --> 00:18:06,190 We met many times. 307 00:18:06,190 --> 00:18:10,300 We were very serious. 308 00:18:10,300 --> 00:18:14,250 We debated earnestly. 309 00:18:14,250 --> 00:18:20,020 We were acutely aware of our frailties. 310 00:18:20,020 --> 00:18:29,020 We made recommendations, which were radical and imperfect. 311 00:18:29,020 --> 00:18:35,790 We met our report deadline, December, 2009. 312 00:18:35,790 --> 00:18:40,100 And in January of 2010, Joe Sullivan and I 313 00:18:40,100 --> 00:18:45,010 met with the UUA board in San Antonio, Texas, 314 00:18:45,010 --> 00:18:49,740 to discuss the report, and its recommendations. 315 00:18:49,740 --> 00:18:54,510 And I vividly remember ending that conversation 316 00:18:54,510 --> 00:18:58,140 with a warning. 317 00:18:58,140 --> 00:19:04,770 Do not to ask the General Assembly to transform itself, 318 00:19:04,770 --> 00:19:08,780 until you, the board of trustees, 319 00:19:08,780 --> 00:19:15,940 have modeled by transforming yourself. 320 00:19:15,940 --> 00:19:20,100 And we have seen that has happened. 321 00:19:20,100 --> 00:19:29,540 So seven years later, it's time to move the conversation 322 00:19:29,540 --> 00:19:34,250 about transformative governance forward. 323 00:19:34,250 --> 00:19:44,640 Carefully, sensitively, pragmatically, and sustainably. 324 00:19:44,640 --> 00:19:49,480 Two, really brief, personal reflections. 325 00:19:49,480 --> 00:19:54,300 I have been a board member, and then a staff member, 326 00:19:54,300 --> 00:20:00,650 of Meadville Lombard Theological School since 2002. 327 00:20:00,650 --> 00:20:11,860 And I know, bone deep, that radical transformation, mission 328 00:20:11,860 --> 00:20:15,650 based, can work. 329 00:20:15,650 --> 00:20:19,080 I have lived through that history, 330 00:20:19,080 --> 00:20:24,440 and I want to testify that it is risky. 331 00:20:24,440 --> 00:20:27,210 It is scary. 332 00:20:27,210 --> 00:20:30,440 It is hard to do. 333 00:20:30,440 --> 00:20:34,380 It requires failure. 334 00:20:34,380 --> 00:20:37,460 It requires initiative. 335 00:20:37,460 --> 00:20:43,690 It requires experimentation, and a strong will. 336 00:20:43,690 --> 00:20:46,240 But it can happen. 337 00:20:46,240 --> 00:20:56,140 And my second reflection is, my friends, democracy is messy. 338 00:20:56,140 --> 00:21:00,400 And it should be. 339 00:21:00,400 --> 00:21:07,290 As we move forward, welcome the messiness. 340 00:21:07,290 --> 00:21:11,090 Welcome the discomfort. 341 00:21:11,090 --> 00:21:15,360 Welcome the heated exchanges. 342 00:21:15,360 --> 00:21:21,170 We, the member congregations, of this great faith community that 343 00:21:21,170 --> 00:21:27,970 is the Unitarian Universalist Association, can handle it. 344 00:21:27,970 --> 00:21:30,570 We will not break. 345 00:21:30,570 --> 00:21:34,136 We will be better for it. 346 00:21:34,136 --> 00:21:46,980 [APPLAUSE] 347 00:21:46,980 --> 00:21:49,902 Clyde Grubbs: As we've been developing this idea, 348 00:21:49,902 --> 00:21:55,230 we need to ask the question, how-- what is democracy. 349 00:21:55,230 --> 00:21:59,630 If we're seeking to democratize the Unitarian Universalist 350 00:21:59,630 --> 00:22:03,480 General Assembly, is that the place to start? 351 00:22:03,480 --> 00:22:07,040 Perhaps we should start one step back. 352 00:22:07,040 --> 00:22:11,920 How do we democratize how the 1,000 congregations, and all 353 00:22:11,920 --> 00:22:16,280 of the new and emerging groups within Unitarian Universalism, 354 00:22:16,280 --> 00:22:19,600 participate in making the decisions that 355 00:22:19,600 --> 00:22:23,380 shape this movement, this association of congregations, 356 00:22:23,380 --> 00:22:26,350 which is the Unitarian Universalist Association? 357 00:22:26,350 --> 00:22:30,120 How do we participate in making those decisions? 358 00:22:30,120 --> 00:22:34,720 And then we need to ask, not is the General Assembly, 359 00:22:34,720 --> 00:22:39,620 as it's been conceived, the way to do that. 360 00:22:39,620 --> 00:22:41,670 The word technology. 361 00:22:41,670 --> 00:22:46,910 Technology is a method, a method by which a device, 362 00:22:46,910 --> 00:22:50,450 a construction, by which people solve problems. 363 00:22:50,450 --> 00:22:54,470 By which people organize, and do things. 364 00:22:54,470 --> 00:22:58,290 So in a sense, as Susan has outlined, 365 00:22:58,290 --> 00:23:02,680 the invention of this technology, 366 00:23:02,680 --> 00:23:05,570 is a 19th century technology. 367 00:23:05,570 --> 00:23:08,840 Bring lots of people together in the same room 368 00:23:08,840 --> 00:23:13,150 to deliberate on decisions, is a 19th century technology. 369 00:23:13,150 --> 00:23:14,044 Improved? 370 00:23:14,044 --> 00:23:16,640 Improved by the 20th century? 371 00:23:16,640 --> 00:23:19,460 Improved now that we're in this time? 372 00:23:19,460 --> 00:23:20,990 We're making improvements in this, 373 00:23:20,990 --> 00:23:24,345 but perhaps this way of making this, 374 00:23:24,345 --> 00:23:27,750 is there are many decisions we could make in another way. 375 00:23:27,750 --> 00:23:34,710 So that's a serious question that we need to ask. 376 00:23:34,710 --> 00:23:38,510 The next question, and this is the financial question, 377 00:23:38,510 --> 00:23:42,950 this particular technology called General Assembly, 378 00:23:42,950 --> 00:23:48,010 if you add up all of the expenditures that all of you 379 00:23:48,010 --> 00:23:52,130 have made, and the association has made. 380 00:23:52,130 --> 00:23:57,516 Is probably conservatively $6, $7 million. 381 00:23:57,516 --> 00:24:00,151 $6, $7 million. 382 00:24:00,151 --> 00:24:02,490 With all the personal expenditures, 383 00:24:02,490 --> 00:24:07,530 all the air fares, all the hotel bills, all those breakfasts, 384 00:24:07,530 --> 00:24:12,920 and meetings, and all of the meals, and we're paying hotels. 385 00:24:12,920 --> 00:24:16,960 I didn't even include the tips. 386 00:24:16,960 --> 00:24:18,890 $6 million. 387 00:24:18,890 --> 00:24:22,890 Could we find, in our hearts, in our brains, 388 00:24:22,890 --> 00:24:28,960 a way to use $6 million to make decisions for our assembly, 389 00:24:28,960 --> 00:24:31,680 and find ways of gathering that do not 390 00:24:31,680 --> 00:24:35,770 involve convention centers, expensive hotels, and all 391 00:24:35,770 --> 00:24:37,080 of those questions. 392 00:24:37,080 --> 00:24:39,640 So those are part of the questions 393 00:24:39,640 --> 00:24:43,070 that we need to ask, because there are other ways, if we 394 00:24:43,070 --> 00:24:46,502 allow ourselves to think about it, to get together, 395 00:24:46,502 --> 00:24:49,840 and gather, and make decisions that 396 00:24:49,840 --> 00:24:53,650 affect our association, without saying, 397 00:24:53,650 --> 00:24:55,570 this is the way we have always done it. 398 00:24:55,570 --> 00:24:57,850 We've always come together, and now we're 399 00:24:57,850 --> 00:25:01,660 going to bring 6,000, or 4,000 people together, 400 00:25:01,660 --> 00:25:04,740 and it's a good thing because that helps the General Assembly 401 00:25:04,740 --> 00:25:08,630 Planning Committee break even. 402 00:25:08,630 --> 00:25:13,285 So we make commitments to these hotels long in the future, 403 00:25:13,285 --> 00:25:16,390 and it becomes a very big concern to break even. 404 00:25:16,390 --> 00:25:20,120 Denny Davidoff: So you know, historically, Clyde, I 405 00:25:20,120 --> 00:25:23,090 was the chair of the Planning Committee 406 00:25:23,090 --> 00:25:28,370 in 1989, when we met at Yale University. 407 00:25:28,370 --> 00:25:30,530 A whole other story. 408 00:25:30,530 --> 00:25:38,970 But it was then that we said, we can't meet on a college campus 409 00:25:38,970 --> 00:25:40,500 any longer. 410 00:25:40,500 --> 00:25:44,620 We're too big to do that anymore. 411 00:25:44,620 --> 00:25:50,470 And we wax nostalgically about Ohio State, and Bowdoin-- 412 00:25:50,470 --> 00:25:52,770 Clyde Grubbs: And Bangor not so much. 413 00:25:52,770 --> 00:25:54,520 Denny Davidoff: --I actually like Bowdoin. 414 00:25:54,520 --> 00:25:58,380 Anyway, but the point is, that the way we construct 415 00:25:58,380 --> 00:26:04,580 conversation when we stay in the box of thought, is well, 416 00:26:04,580 --> 00:26:07,330 we couldn't be on a college campus, 417 00:26:07,330 --> 00:26:14,260 so we have to be in the conference center and hotels. 418 00:26:14,260 --> 00:26:17,080 Then we stop with the choices. 419 00:26:17,080 --> 00:26:19,380 We don't think of, well what else could 420 00:26:19,380 --> 00:26:23,040 we do with $6 million. 421 00:26:23,040 --> 00:26:24,230 And we'll go on forever. 422 00:26:24,230 --> 00:26:28,540 Clyde Grubbs: We need to ask ourselves. 423 00:26:28,540 --> 00:26:31,000 The way I was taught, my people taught 424 00:26:31,000 --> 00:26:34,580 me to make decisions for the generations to come. 425 00:26:34,580 --> 00:26:37,710 When you think, you have to think about, 426 00:26:37,710 --> 00:26:40,359 how is this going to affect generations to come. 427 00:26:40,359 --> 00:26:41,900 Denny Davidoff: Donna's body language 428 00:26:41,900 --> 00:26:43,670 suggests that there are two other people 429 00:26:43,670 --> 00:26:44,990 in this conversation. 430 00:26:44,990 --> 00:26:48,406 Clyde Grubbs: Oh OK. 431 00:26:48,406 --> 00:26:49,239 Did I-- 432 00:26:49,239 --> 00:26:50,530 Denny Davidoff: No you're fine. 433 00:26:50,530 --> 00:26:51,762 We're just enthusiastic. 434 00:26:51,762 --> 00:26:53,720 Donna Harrison: We're enthusiastic, and wanting 435 00:26:53,720 --> 00:26:56,090 to also be respectful of time. 436 00:26:56,090 --> 00:26:58,670 I would hate to mess up our ending on time, 437 00:26:58,670 --> 00:27:02,520 after we were so far ahead. 438 00:27:02,520 --> 00:27:04,110 So what I would like to do-- 439 00:27:04,110 --> 00:27:05,318 Denny Davidoff: Take control. 440 00:27:05,318 --> 00:27:07,700 Donna Harrison: --I am going to. 441 00:27:07,700 --> 00:27:11,430 And the Tech Deck is back there going, they're off script. 442 00:27:11,430 --> 00:27:18,256 Clyde Grubbs: We've got three more important things. 443 00:27:18,256 --> 00:27:19,454 Go on. 444 00:27:19,454 --> 00:27:20,870 Donna Harrison: I want to bring us 445 00:27:20,870 --> 00:27:24,660 to where we are in the conversation today. 446 00:27:24,660 --> 00:27:28,410 So Denny mentioned, that she challenged the board 447 00:27:28,410 --> 00:27:33,010 to not take this up until we had transformed ourselves. 448 00:27:33,010 --> 00:27:36,800 And in March of 2010, the board made a commitment 449 00:27:36,800 --> 00:27:38,730 to transform governance, and we committed 450 00:27:38,730 --> 00:27:41,340 to do three things at that time. 451 00:27:41,340 --> 00:27:44,900 We committed to transform the board, and the way 452 00:27:44,900 --> 00:27:47,820 that we elected the moderator, and the president, 453 00:27:47,820 --> 00:27:48,610 and we did that. 454 00:27:48,610 --> 00:27:50,830 This assembly voted those bylaws in, 455 00:27:50,830 --> 00:27:54,070 and you have these smaller board, a moderator elected 456 00:27:54,070 --> 00:27:56,150 a new way, and a presidential nominating 457 00:27:56,150 --> 00:27:58,060 committee that is working. 458 00:27:58,060 --> 00:28:01,220 We also committed to transform the way that governance 459 00:28:01,220 --> 00:28:04,760 is done in the districts, and to begin 460 00:28:04,760 --> 00:28:06,960 to explore other ways of doing governance 461 00:28:06,960 --> 00:28:10,430 in that middle judicatory, the districts, or the regions, 462 00:28:10,430 --> 00:28:12,720 and that conversation is thriving. 463 00:28:12,720 --> 00:28:14,920 And now, we take up the question of what 464 00:28:14,920 --> 00:28:18,790 to do with how we govern ourselves together 465 00:28:18,790 --> 00:28:20,680 through General Assembly. 466 00:28:20,680 --> 00:28:23,640 So I'm kind of ready for that first slide I have, 467 00:28:23,640 --> 00:28:25,710 if the Tech Deck has it. 468 00:28:25,710 --> 00:28:30,290 In this last year, when the board began to talk about this, 469 00:28:30,290 --> 00:28:34,130 we started out thinking about specific proposals, 470 00:28:34,130 --> 00:28:36,810 because we had those proposals and recommendations 471 00:28:36,810 --> 00:28:39,050 from the Fifth Principle Task Force. 472 00:28:39,050 --> 00:28:42,290 And we wondered about many things, biennial General 473 00:28:42,290 --> 00:28:47,510 Assembly, how many delegates should we have, and so forth. 474 00:28:47,510 --> 00:28:51,320 And as we began to talk about those, 475 00:28:51,320 --> 00:28:54,240 we ultimately concluded it was way too early to talk 476 00:28:54,240 --> 00:28:57,920 about specific proposals, because we didn't 477 00:28:57,920 --> 00:29:03,570 have a common view on how to assess those proposals. 478 00:29:03,570 --> 00:29:06,070 We had not really agreed on what we 479 00:29:06,070 --> 00:29:08,960 were trying to accomplish as we came together, 480 00:29:08,960 --> 00:29:13,450 and what our values were that were going underlie 481 00:29:13,450 --> 00:29:16,170 the decisions that we would make. 482 00:29:16,170 --> 00:29:17,950 And so instead, the board began to work 483 00:29:17,950 --> 00:29:19,890 on a set of principles and values 484 00:29:19,890 --> 00:29:24,110 that will underlie our decision making process going forward. 485 00:29:24,110 --> 00:29:26,110 And we've been talking about these values 486 00:29:26,110 --> 00:29:30,050 for a very long time. 487 00:29:30,050 --> 00:29:34,370 And for those of you who came to the pre-GA webinars, 488 00:29:34,370 --> 00:29:35,800 we previewed those. 489 00:29:35,800 --> 00:29:37,700 We edited them at our board meeting 490 00:29:37,700 --> 00:29:39,924 earlier this week, as I told you we would, 491 00:29:39,924 --> 00:29:41,340 and it seems like a long time ago, 492 00:29:41,340 --> 00:29:43,890 but I think it was four days. 493 00:29:43,890 --> 00:29:46,360 And so, we have the same concepts, 494 00:29:46,360 --> 00:29:49,150 but I think we've tightened up the language 495 00:29:49,150 --> 00:29:50,900 and made it more clear. 496 00:29:50,900 --> 00:29:53,250 So there are four areas of values 497 00:29:53,250 --> 00:29:56,730 that I'm going to go through and share with you. 498 00:29:56,730 --> 00:30:00,450 Values around inclusivity or inclusion, 499 00:30:00,450 --> 00:30:06,040 governance, why we gather, and our commitment. 500 00:30:06,040 --> 00:30:10,920 So let's first look at the slide around inclusion. 501 00:30:10,920 --> 00:30:13,160 So I'll just talk about these principles. 502 00:30:13,160 --> 00:30:16,420 So we envision gatherings for Unitarian Universalism 503 00:30:16,420 --> 00:30:19,870 that are more inclusive than what we experience 504 00:30:19,870 --> 00:30:23,270 with General Assembly today. 505 00:30:23,270 --> 00:30:26,350 We envision governance that incorporates a wider 506 00:30:26,350 --> 00:30:30,440 range of multicultural decision making practices. 507 00:30:30,440 --> 00:30:33,030 And Clyde talked about how this construct 508 00:30:33,030 --> 00:30:35,980 is a specific construct. 509 00:30:35,980 --> 00:30:39,290 It's an A model for making decisions in a large group, 510 00:30:39,290 --> 00:30:44,160 but it is not the only model for making decisions. 511 00:30:44,160 --> 00:30:47,800 We are committed to addressing the barriers of cost, 512 00:30:47,800 --> 00:30:50,840 time, and physical accessibility, that 513 00:30:50,840 --> 00:30:54,190 create obstacles to inclusion. 514 00:30:54,190 --> 00:30:56,620 And we envision the UUA and the congregations 515 00:30:56,620 --> 00:30:58,900 working together to make this happen 516 00:30:58,900 --> 00:31:03,210 as part of our counter-oppressive commitments. 517 00:31:03,210 --> 00:31:06,290 And this last one is really important, the UUA, 518 00:31:06,290 --> 00:31:07,720 and the congregations together. 519 00:31:07,720 --> 00:31:10,850 We talked on the board, about how 520 00:31:10,850 --> 00:31:15,080 the congregations, and our lives in the congregations, 521 00:31:15,080 --> 00:31:18,380 is the source, the foundation, of generosity, 522 00:31:18,380 --> 00:31:19,950 and that if we're going to do this, 523 00:31:19,950 --> 00:31:23,340 it will take both the congregations, and the UUA, 524 00:31:23,340 --> 00:31:25,850 working together. 525 00:31:25,850 --> 00:31:30,790 So let's look at the governance So for governance, here's 526 00:31:30,790 --> 00:31:32,280 where we are. 527 00:31:32,280 --> 00:31:35,930 We believe that we need ways for the congregations 528 00:31:35,930 --> 00:31:39,850 to provide governance direction to the UUA, 529 00:31:39,850 --> 00:31:43,080 and that this may, or may not, be accomplished 530 00:31:43,080 --> 00:31:45,750 through large, physical gatherings of Unitarian 531 00:31:45,750 --> 00:31:47,790 Universalists. 532 00:31:47,790 --> 00:31:51,000 And we envision a model where we leverage 21st century 533 00:31:51,000 --> 00:31:55,170 technology to enable broad based participation in the governance 534 00:31:55,170 --> 00:31:57,009 work of our association. 535 00:31:57,009 --> 00:31:58,550 And we've certainly started that work 536 00:31:58,550 --> 00:32:01,620 with our off site delegates. 537 00:32:01,620 --> 00:32:03,710 And then, we envision a governance environment 538 00:32:03,710 --> 00:32:08,050 where the participants are ever more informed, accountable, 539 00:32:08,050 --> 00:32:11,020 and prepared. 540 00:32:11,020 --> 00:32:13,890 And as you read these, think about, 541 00:32:13,890 --> 00:32:18,210 do these reflect the values of Unitarian Universalism. 542 00:32:18,210 --> 00:32:20,980 What's missing for me? 543 00:32:20,980 --> 00:32:24,720 Let's look at the Why we Gather slide. 544 00:32:24,720 --> 00:32:26,430 So we've named two statements here, 545 00:32:26,430 --> 00:32:28,596 and I'll tell you a little bit about the feedback we 546 00:32:28,596 --> 00:32:31,380 got at the workshop we had earlier this week. 547 00:32:31,380 --> 00:32:34,910 So the first one is, we gather for many purposes. 548 00:32:34,910 --> 00:32:38,110 We can imagine even more, including gatherings 549 00:32:38,110 --> 00:32:40,240 for congregations come together and explore 550 00:32:40,240 --> 00:32:43,000 the theological and cultural direction 551 00:32:43,000 --> 00:32:45,140 for Unitarian Universalism. 552 00:32:45,140 --> 00:32:48,560 And that builds on that fall and spring meeting concept 553 00:32:48,560 --> 00:32:52,150 that Susan described earlier. 554 00:32:52,150 --> 00:32:55,560 And we recognize that many groups, particularly identity 555 00:32:55,560 --> 00:32:59,080 based groups, are reliant on, and empowered by, 556 00:32:59,080 --> 00:33:01,470 large gatherings, and we are committed 557 00:33:01,470 --> 00:33:04,720 to honoring those connections. 558 00:33:04,720 --> 00:33:06,910 And the feedback we got in the workshop, 559 00:33:06,910 --> 00:33:10,000 was that we might think about adding a statement, 560 00:33:10,000 --> 00:33:11,960 in this section, that talks about some 561 00:33:11,960 --> 00:33:15,410 of the spiritual reasons and the religious reasons 562 00:33:15,410 --> 00:33:18,960 that we have for coming together. 563 00:33:18,960 --> 00:33:21,230 And lastly, our commitment. 564 00:33:21,230 --> 00:33:22,700 This really talks about how we are 565 00:33:22,700 --> 00:33:25,540 willing to change whatever we need to change. 566 00:33:25,540 --> 00:33:27,750 We are committed to changing our bylaws, 567 00:33:27,750 --> 00:33:30,940 our processes, and our customs, as needed 568 00:33:30,940 --> 00:33:32,950 to fulfill this vision. 569 00:33:32,950 --> 00:33:37,660 And we are committed to creating space for many voices. 570 00:33:37,660 --> 00:33:41,170 So we would like to invite you into this conversation, 571 00:33:41,170 --> 00:33:44,960 and let me tell you how that can happen. 572 00:33:44,960 --> 00:33:48,040 We held a workshop yesterday, and we 573 00:33:48,040 --> 00:33:50,340 had a room that was full of people. 574 00:33:50,340 --> 00:33:53,270 I think every seat may have been full. 575 00:33:53,270 --> 00:33:56,340 And it was full of lively comments. 576 00:33:56,340 --> 00:33:59,380 We'd like to provide not only the participants 577 00:33:59,380 --> 00:34:01,550 from that workshop, but all of you who did not 578 00:34:01,550 --> 00:34:05,360 get a chance to speak, an opportunity to provide feedback 579 00:34:05,360 --> 00:34:08,750 on these principles. 580 00:34:08,750 --> 00:34:11,650 And we will be posting, within the next couple of days, 581 00:34:11,650 --> 00:34:15,980 and it'll be on the UUA board's website for sure, 582 00:34:15,980 --> 00:34:19,250 and we'll find a variety of ways to get this link out, 583 00:34:19,250 --> 00:34:22,270 a link to a survey that will give everyone 584 00:34:22,270 --> 00:34:25,239 who feels like answering, a way to provide feedback 585 00:34:25,239 --> 00:34:27,540 on these principles. 586 00:34:27,540 --> 00:34:30,500 And once we have that, the board and the working group, 587 00:34:30,500 --> 00:34:34,330 will begin to develop ideas for how we might accomplish all 588 00:34:34,330 --> 00:34:36,909 of the things that we've talked about. 589 00:34:36,909 --> 00:34:38,830 All of the people you see here, will 590 00:34:38,830 --> 00:34:42,540 be involved in that, and others. 591 00:34:42,540 --> 00:34:45,560 The linkage work that Susan Weaver spoke about in the board 592 00:34:45,560 --> 00:34:47,380 report, where we will reach out to 593 00:34:47,380 --> 00:34:50,100 on the order of 100 congregations and others, 594 00:34:50,100 --> 00:34:53,330 will be focused on this very question. 595 00:34:53,330 --> 00:34:57,640 And by the time we come together next year, in Portland, 596 00:34:57,640 --> 00:35:02,950 We hope to have some alternatives, and ideas, 597 00:35:02,950 --> 00:35:05,750 for you all to engage on, for us to talk about, 598 00:35:05,750 --> 00:35:08,720 and to do linkage and get feedback when we come together 599 00:35:08,720 --> 00:35:12,740 in Portland, in 2015. 600 00:35:12,740 --> 00:35:16,580 So we are excited to begin this part 601 00:35:16,580 --> 00:35:18,990 of a very long conversation. 602 00:35:18,990 --> 00:35:20,840 Thank you. 603 00:35:20,840 --> 00:35:26,552