1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:00,530 2 00:00:00,530 --> 00:00:03,870 Pat Kahn: Thank you, Alicia, and welcome 3 00:00:03,870 --> 00:00:06,180 to everybody who's on the line, and we 4 00:00:06,180 --> 00:00:09,540 hope we'll have a few more join us as we get started. 5 00:00:09,540 --> 00:00:10,920 My name is Pat Kahn. 6 00:00:10,920 --> 00:00:14,080 I'm the Children and Family Programs Directory for the UUA 7 00:00:14,080 --> 00:00:18,090 Faith Development Office, and Alicia is our tech support 8 00:00:18,090 --> 00:00:19,190 tonight. 9 00:00:19,190 --> 00:00:24,050 Both of us will close down our pictures, so 10 00:00:24,050 --> 00:00:26,790 that we have lots of bandwidth for our three presenters, who 11 00:00:26,790 --> 00:00:31,230 I'm very pleased to introduce to you-- my colleague Gail 12 00:00:31,230 --> 00:00:35,300 Forsyth-Vail, who's the UUA Adult Programs 13 00:00:35,300 --> 00:00:38,270 Director in the Faith Development Office, 14 00:00:38,270 --> 00:00:43,210 and Pat Infante, who is Faith Development in the Central East 15 00:00:43,210 --> 00:00:48,190 region, and Elizabeth Terry, who is, let's see, off-site staff 16 00:00:48,190 --> 00:00:52,040 in Wilmington, North Carolina, not Delaware, 17 00:00:52,040 --> 00:00:55,570 for the stewardship-- we call them 18 00:00:55,570 --> 00:01:00,060 stew-dev-- Stewardship and Development Office at the UUA. 19 00:01:00,060 --> 00:01:04,700 And so we are very, very glad to have everybody. 20 00:01:04,700 --> 00:01:09,050 And, as I said, we'll sort of bow out, 21 00:01:09,050 --> 00:01:11,570 and we'll turn it over to our presenters now. 22 00:01:11,570 --> 00:01:25,218 So take it away. 23 00:01:25,218 --> 00:01:28,690 [INAUDIBLE] 24 00:01:28,690 --> 00:01:34,741 There we go. 25 00:01:34,741 --> 00:01:37,690 Pat Infante: Elizabeth, are you going to kick us off? 26 00:01:37,690 --> 00:01:41,030 Elizabeth Terry: OK, I will do that. 27 00:01:41,030 --> 00:01:42,200 Welcome, everybody. 28 00:01:42,200 --> 00:01:43,590 It's wonderful to be here. 29 00:01:43,590 --> 00:01:45,830 I sometimes feel like an interloper 30 00:01:45,830 --> 00:01:48,225 with these other two, although, I 31 00:01:48,225 --> 00:01:51,780 am an RE teacher in my congregation, 32 00:01:51,780 --> 00:01:55,150 and, yes, I'm with Stewardship and Development and the Annual 33 00:01:55,150 --> 00:01:57,990 Program Fund and with the national office. 34 00:01:57,990 --> 00:01:59,700 Welcome to all of you. 35 00:01:59,700 --> 00:02:03,550 Pat and Gail and I had the pleasure 36 00:02:03,550 --> 00:02:05,960 of working together at General Assembly 37 00:02:05,960 --> 00:02:09,009 to present a workshop similar to this, 38 00:02:09,009 --> 00:02:13,760 an intergenerational workshop about money talk. 39 00:02:13,760 --> 00:02:17,330 So I wanted to offer this for their Faith Development Office, 40 00:02:17,330 --> 00:02:20,990 and glad that there are religious educators on board 41 00:02:20,990 --> 00:02:21,940 tonight. 42 00:02:21,940 --> 00:02:25,120 Welcome, enjoy the evening. 43 00:02:25,120 --> 00:02:27,760 Please use your chat box with questions, 44 00:02:27,760 --> 00:02:29,810 and there will be time for questions 45 00:02:29,810 --> 00:02:31,610 at the end of our time together. 46 00:02:31,610 --> 00:02:38,309 So welcome. 47 00:02:38,309 --> 00:02:40,350 Pat Infante: So at the beginning of our webinars, 48 00:02:40,350 --> 00:02:44,560 we always like to take a moment to take a deep breath 49 00:02:44,560 --> 00:02:49,242 and to share a moment together, a community 50 00:02:49,242 --> 00:02:54,430 of lighting our virtual chalice and sharing some words 51 00:02:54,430 --> 00:03:00,830 to bring us into a sacred space for this work. 52 00:03:00,830 --> 00:03:05,400 Reverend John Cooley says, "we light our chalice, 53 00:03:05,400 --> 00:03:08,790 grateful for the love that we experience 54 00:03:08,790 --> 00:03:10,540 in this beloved community. 55 00:03:10,540 --> 00:03:22,640 May the flame light the way for all who seek abundance." 56 00:03:22,640 --> 00:03:26,170 Gail Forsyth-vail: Thank you, Pat. 57 00:03:26,170 --> 00:03:31,710 We're going to start with cultural messages about money. 58 00:03:31,710 --> 00:03:34,750 But, in my mind, I think it's kind of about money 59 00:03:34,750 --> 00:03:36,220 is everywhere. 60 00:03:36,220 --> 00:03:40,510 And I think about before there was OWL, 61 00:03:40,510 --> 00:03:43,160 there was about your sexuality, AYS. 62 00:03:43,160 --> 00:03:47,060 And the famous AYS had filmstrips, 63 00:03:47,060 --> 00:03:50,480 and one of the film steps was Sex is Everywhere. 64 00:03:50,480 --> 00:03:57,220 And it was 1970, 1971 of lots of different cultural messages 65 00:03:57,220 --> 00:03:58,830 about sexuality. 66 00:03:58,830 --> 00:04:01,740 So we're going to start us off by doing 67 00:04:01,740 --> 00:04:03,380 the same thing with money. 68 00:04:03,380 --> 00:04:08,230 What are the cultural messages that our children and families 69 00:04:08,230 --> 00:04:11,530 and parents and we also receive about money? 70 00:04:11,530 --> 00:04:13,890 And you've got a little collage of photos 71 00:04:13,890 --> 00:04:19,490 there from baby receiving birthday money to price tags 72 00:04:19,490 --> 00:04:22,360 on clothing and ATMs and so on. 73 00:04:22,360 --> 00:04:26,500 But we're going to ask you to do a little bit of a brainstorm 74 00:04:26,500 --> 00:04:28,400 and use the chat box. 75 00:04:28,400 --> 00:04:31,760 What are the cultural messages that our children, youth, 76 00:04:31,760 --> 00:04:34,450 and families are receiving about money? 77 00:04:34,450 --> 00:04:40,060 What's coming at them in the money is everywhere? 78 00:04:40,060 --> 00:04:47,580 Theresa says, more is better. 79 00:04:47,580 --> 00:04:53,300 What else is coming? 80 00:04:53,300 --> 00:04:59,540 Expensive equals quality. 81 00:04:59,540 --> 00:05:07,240 Is that on sale? 82 00:05:07,240 --> 00:05:17,640 You aren't worth much if you don't have any. 83 00:05:17,640 --> 00:05:23,290 What are the kind of things that parents worry about? 84 00:05:23,290 --> 00:05:24,880 What kind of messages are kids getting 85 00:05:24,880 --> 00:05:36,180 that parents are worried about? 86 00:05:36,180 --> 00:05:38,922 It used to be that the Saturday morning cartoons, 87 00:05:38,922 --> 00:05:40,380 everyone was worried about how much 88 00:05:40,380 --> 00:05:43,350 advertising kids were seeing. 89 00:05:43,350 --> 00:05:45,670 Kids have to have every new toy. 90 00:05:45,670 --> 00:05:48,300 I think the Christmas ads have already begun, 91 00:05:48,300 --> 00:05:51,440 at least in my neck of the woods. 92 00:05:51,440 --> 00:05:55,290 Do we have enough money to pay the bills? 93 00:05:55,290 --> 00:06:02,440 Still trying to keep up with the Joneses. 94 00:06:02,440 --> 00:06:06,780 I know that when I was working in a congregation, 95 00:06:06,780 --> 00:06:10,350 there were also the messages that money was somehow 96 00:06:10,350 --> 00:06:13,160 unclean or something we really shouldn't 97 00:06:13,160 --> 00:06:16,580 talk about in a church, which was about good things. 98 00:06:16,580 --> 00:06:19,190 I remember people expressing that. 99 00:06:19,190 --> 00:06:20,070 Church is good. 100 00:06:20,070 --> 00:06:21,920 Money is tainted. 101 00:06:21,920 --> 00:06:29,380 So we really shouldn't talk about that. 102 00:06:29,380 --> 00:06:31,490 People who are poor did something 103 00:06:31,490 --> 00:06:33,970 to deserve their state, which is a message that kids 104 00:06:33,970 --> 00:06:37,190 might be getting. 105 00:06:37,190 --> 00:06:42,480 There's never enough. 106 00:06:42,480 --> 00:06:48,270 Money is power. 107 00:06:48,270 --> 00:06:52,380 Money equals happiness. 108 00:06:52,380 --> 00:06:57,850 I think if you were to maybe even ask your parents 109 00:06:57,850 --> 00:07:00,460 to think about that, keep a little journal, 110 00:07:00,460 --> 00:07:01,900 money is awkward to talk about. 111 00:07:01,900 --> 00:07:05,020 And if you need to talk about it, you're not doing it right. 112 00:07:05,020 --> 00:07:06,960 Having a UU child who understands money 113 00:07:06,960 --> 00:07:08,940 doesn't need to be spent on new clothes, 114 00:07:08,940 --> 00:07:11,410 but friends who don't understand that. 115 00:07:11,410 --> 00:07:13,290 It'd be interesting to ask parents 116 00:07:13,290 --> 00:07:15,650 to keep a little journal of the money messages 117 00:07:15,650 --> 00:07:20,040 that show up in their family life in the course of even 118 00:07:20,040 --> 00:07:22,860 a week, and see what that looks like. 119 00:07:22,860 --> 00:07:27,520 It would be an interesting exercise, I think. 120 00:07:27,520 --> 00:07:38,140 So bearing in mind that just as sex is everywhere, so is money. 121 00:07:38,140 --> 00:07:41,870 I'm going to move to the next slide. 122 00:07:41,870 --> 00:07:46,570 We're going to ask, what's religious about money? 123 00:07:46,570 --> 00:07:51,410 And I would say I'm just going to bounce off the brainstorm 124 00:07:51,410 --> 00:07:55,640 to say what's religious about money is that money is 125 00:07:55,640 --> 00:07:57,914 a piece of our lives, and it's everywhere 126 00:07:57,914 --> 00:07:58,830 in the larger culture. 127 00:07:58,830 --> 00:08:02,840 So therefore we are in a fate that 128 00:08:02,840 --> 00:08:05,330 believes that the substance of our lives 129 00:08:05,330 --> 00:08:10,120 is an appropriate subject matter for talking about 130 00:08:10,120 --> 00:08:11,280 in our faith communities. 131 00:08:11,280 --> 00:08:15,740 So money is everywhere, so money belongs in our conversations 132 00:08:15,740 --> 00:08:20,140 in our congregations. 133 00:08:20,140 --> 00:08:21,986 Pat, I'm going to pass it on to you. 134 00:08:21,986 --> 00:08:23,600 Pat Infante: Sure, yes, so, just want 135 00:08:23,600 --> 00:08:26,280 to talk for a minute or two just sort of about 136 00:08:26,280 --> 00:08:28,400 the spiritual nature of money. 137 00:08:28,400 --> 00:08:32,260 Money, of course, in our society is a transactional tool. 138 00:08:32,260 --> 00:08:37,530 It's the way that we buy the things that we need. 139 00:08:37,530 --> 00:08:41,414 It's the way that we are compensated for our work 140 00:08:41,414 --> 00:08:46,120 and for things that we make. 141 00:08:46,120 --> 00:08:48,260 Money started long, long ago. 142 00:08:48,260 --> 00:08:51,050 There was just a barter system, and people 143 00:08:51,050 --> 00:08:55,420 would exchange goods of one kind for goods of another. 144 00:08:55,420 --> 00:08:58,880 And that became too complicated as the world 145 00:08:58,880 --> 00:08:59,970 got more complicated. 146 00:08:59,970 --> 00:09:01,830 And so we created money. 147 00:09:01,830 --> 00:09:07,210 And money is really this man-made creation. 148 00:09:07,210 --> 00:09:15,770 But money is also a way that we express our values. 149 00:09:15,770 --> 00:09:19,860 It's a way that we live out our Unitarian Universalist faith, 150 00:09:19,860 --> 00:09:23,930 both in the way that he spend money, the choices we make 151 00:09:23,930 --> 00:09:29,780 with our purchases, and the ways that we also choose to support 152 00:09:29,780 --> 00:09:31,920 causes that are important to us, causes 153 00:09:31,920 --> 00:09:35,870 that align with our Unitarian Universalist values, 154 00:09:35,870 --> 00:09:39,510 and also in the way we earn money. 155 00:09:39,510 --> 00:09:45,110 Some folks feel that folks who are earning money 156 00:09:45,110 --> 00:09:53,486 in ways that don't support value are perhaps spiritually poor, 157 00:09:53,486 --> 00:09:59,610 or that they don't have a good spiritual balance. 158 00:09:59,610 --> 00:10:04,220 So money is an important part of our well being, 159 00:10:04,220 --> 00:10:08,260 when we think about the things that can keep us of balance 160 00:10:08,260 --> 00:10:12,800 and can keep really from living our lives in a spiritually 161 00:10:12,800 --> 00:10:14,470 fulfilling way. 162 00:10:14,470 --> 00:10:17,210 Not having enough, feeling that we don't have enough, 163 00:10:17,210 --> 00:10:21,830 feeling that we're not enough can really 164 00:10:21,830 --> 00:10:29,868 impact our sense of spirituality. 165 00:10:29,868 --> 00:10:32,570 Elizabeth. 166 00:10:32,570 --> 00:10:35,440 Elizabeth Terry: OK, I had to unmute myself. 167 00:10:35,440 --> 00:10:36,847 Pat Infante: Good job. 168 00:10:36,847 --> 00:10:38,930 Elizabeth Terry: So what is religious about money? 169 00:10:38,930 --> 00:10:41,830 So I think that sort of like a basic thing 170 00:10:41,830 --> 00:10:46,620 to establish or affirm or talk about 171 00:10:46,620 --> 00:10:52,180 is that Unitarian Universalism is a religion. 172 00:10:52,180 --> 00:10:53,060 It's a religion. 173 00:10:53,060 --> 00:10:55,840 So then in that framework, there are 174 00:10:55,840 --> 00:11:01,920 different moral and ethical values to our religion. 175 00:11:01,920 --> 00:11:06,070 And we can bring those moral and ethical values 176 00:11:06,070 --> 00:11:08,710 to our conversations about money, 177 00:11:08,710 --> 00:11:10,980 and not just our conversations about money, 178 00:11:10,980 --> 00:11:16,340 but about how we use money and how money is used by us. 179 00:11:16,340 --> 00:11:18,380 So it's like really pretty exciting to think 180 00:11:18,380 --> 00:11:22,350 about the possibility of congruence 181 00:11:22,350 --> 00:11:26,850 with our use of money and our thinking about money, 182 00:11:26,850 --> 00:11:33,250 so having our money usage reflect 183 00:11:33,250 --> 00:11:36,392 our moral and ethical values as Unitarian Universalists. 184 00:11:36,392 --> 00:11:38,850 And we really don't need to look any further than our seven 185 00:11:38,850 --> 00:11:41,420 principles to do that. 186 00:11:41,420 --> 00:11:43,500 And it's like almost like you could 187 00:11:43,500 --> 00:11:48,700 like take a principle a month and think about how morally 188 00:11:48,700 --> 00:11:51,310 and ethically you were with money 189 00:11:51,310 --> 00:11:54,590 based on the first principle or the fifth principle. 190 00:11:54,590 --> 00:11:59,180 I think all of them would be able to be used in that way. 191 00:11:59,180 --> 00:12:02,770 How are we morally and ethically reflecting 192 00:12:02,770 --> 00:12:07,100 our individual interpretation of our Unitarian Universalist 193 00:12:07,100 --> 00:12:11,430 values and principles as it relates to money? 194 00:12:11,430 --> 00:12:15,510 That's like a real question that I'd love for you to consider, 195 00:12:15,510 --> 00:12:17,970 and I think that each of us are asking people 196 00:12:17,970 --> 00:12:22,560 to do things like journaling and thinking and meditating 197 00:12:22,560 --> 00:12:26,380 and using spiritual practices to like flesh out what it is 198 00:12:26,380 --> 00:12:28,490 that we really truly believe. 199 00:12:28,490 --> 00:12:31,620 And there's going to be like a different spin for each person. 200 00:12:31,620 --> 00:12:35,270 But the basic ground rules are the foundation 201 00:12:35,270 --> 00:12:48,890 are those seven principles. 202 00:12:48,890 --> 00:12:51,740 Gail Forsyth-vail: So we're going 203 00:12:51,740 --> 00:12:54,540 to talk about the ways in which we 204 00:12:54,540 --> 00:12:56,300 talk about money with children. 205 00:12:56,300 --> 00:13:00,310 So if talking about money is a spiritual practice, 206 00:13:00,310 --> 00:13:03,190 if the way we spend our money is a spiritual practice, 207 00:13:03,190 --> 00:13:06,910 if the way we think about money and the way 208 00:13:06,910 --> 00:13:12,620 we are with our money is all related to our spirituality, 209 00:13:12,620 --> 00:13:14,690 we need to be able to talk about that with kids. 210 00:13:14,690 --> 00:13:20,122 And one of the big ways-- one of the big hurdles to being able 211 00:13:20,122 --> 00:13:25,531 to talk about money with kids is actually understanding our own 212 00:13:25,531 --> 00:13:27,470 selves, our own money story. . 213 00:13:27,470 --> 00:13:33,740 So there is an adult curriculum called Wisdom Path-- 214 00:13:33,740 --> 00:13:41,722 Money, Spirit, and Life, and Pat here is a coauthor of that. 215 00:13:41,722 --> 00:13:45,560 And Wisdom Path is a 12-session curriculum. 216 00:13:45,560 --> 00:13:48,090 It's a comprehensive money curriculum. 217 00:13:48,090 --> 00:13:50,170 But the first three sessions are really about 218 00:13:50,170 --> 00:13:53,190 how you tell your own money story, 219 00:13:53,190 --> 00:13:58,150 because ultimately families have to-- adults have to-- yes, 220 00:13:58,150 --> 00:13:59,910 somebody is typing. 221 00:13:59,910 --> 00:14:01,860 Thank you, Debbie. 222 00:14:01,860 --> 00:14:04,990 If whoever is typing, could mute that, that would be grand. 223 00:14:04,990 --> 00:14:12,290 OK, so basically, learning how to understand your own money 224 00:14:12,290 --> 00:14:16,010 story actually frees you up to be able to talk authentically 225 00:14:16,010 --> 00:14:19,100 with kids about your beliefs about money 226 00:14:19,100 --> 00:14:21,340 and how money reflects your values. 227 00:14:21,340 --> 00:14:24,330 So there are a whole lot of tools in Wisdom Path, 228 00:14:24,330 --> 00:14:29,480 and we're just going to introduce you to one of them. 229 00:14:29,480 --> 00:14:38,290 This is an activity called "What is your money story?" 230 00:14:38,290 --> 00:14:42,690 This is an activity called-- it comes from a book called 231 00:14:42,690 --> 00:14:45,800 Financial Wisdom of Ebenezer Scrooge, 232 00:14:45,800 --> 00:14:52,410 and it talks about the money scripts in the story 233 00:14:52,410 --> 00:14:54,020 A Christmas Carol. 234 00:14:54,020 --> 00:14:58,720 Scrooge and Cratchit each carries certain money scripts 235 00:14:58,720 --> 00:15:03,580 in their head, certain ways of thinking and being around money 236 00:15:03,580 --> 00:15:07,850 that lead to different outcomes, different ways 237 00:15:07,850 --> 00:15:10,140 of understanding circumstances, different ways 238 00:15:10,140 --> 00:15:12,080 of approaching life. 239 00:15:12,080 --> 00:15:16,300 And so these authors that wrote Financial Wisdom of Ebenezer 240 00:15:16,300 --> 00:15:18,850 Scrooge and gave us permission to actually publish 241 00:15:18,850 --> 00:15:21,800 those many scripts in Wisdom Path 242 00:15:21,800 --> 00:15:25,290 offered the money scripts as a beginning of conversation tool 243 00:15:25,290 --> 00:15:27,880 or a way for people to begin to reflect on their own money 244 00:15:27,880 --> 00:15:29,040 story. 245 00:15:29,040 --> 00:15:32,120 So there's a whole lot of them, and Pat 246 00:15:32,120 --> 00:15:38,200 has given us a link to those money scripts in the chat box. 247 00:15:38,200 --> 00:15:41,070 But we're going to use just five of them, 248 00:15:41,070 --> 00:15:44,000 and we're going to invite you to do a little bit of a poll. 249 00:15:44,000 --> 00:15:47,320 So I'm going to read you the five that we selected, 250 00:15:47,320 --> 00:15:50,890 and then ask you to vote on which one of those 251 00:15:50,890 --> 00:15:53,350 is part of your money story, either something 252 00:15:53,350 --> 00:15:56,590 that you still embrace, something that actually has 253 00:15:56,590 --> 00:15:59,870 been part of your money story and perhaps you reject now, 254 00:15:59,870 --> 00:16:01,830 or something that you're wrestling with. 255 00:16:01,830 --> 00:16:05,790 One of those scripts, at least one, 256 00:16:05,790 --> 00:16:10,100 but pick one that they resonates with some part of your money 257 00:16:10,100 --> 00:16:10,600 story. 258 00:16:10,600 --> 00:16:15,930 And I'll read you what we have right now. 259 00:16:15,930 --> 00:16:19,960 So here are the five choices. 260 00:16:19,960 --> 00:16:23,920 You can't trust anyone with your money. 261 00:16:23,920 --> 00:16:27,250 You must work hard for money. 262 00:16:27,250 --> 00:16:31,160 If you had more money things would be better. 263 00:16:31,160 --> 00:16:34,900 Money is to be spent, not saved. 264 00:16:34,900 --> 00:16:38,300 And you'll be paid what you are worth. 265 00:16:38,300 --> 00:16:41,180 So I invite you to just vote for one of those 266 00:16:41,180 --> 00:17:15,010 as something that's maybe a part of your money story. 267 00:17:15,010 --> 00:17:19,980 Has everyone had a chance? 268 00:17:19,980 --> 00:17:27,470 I'm going to stop the voting. 269 00:17:27,470 --> 00:17:30,820 And it looks like the two that really resonated 270 00:17:30,820 --> 00:17:33,970 for people are you must work hard for money, 271 00:17:33,970 --> 00:17:38,700 and if you had more money things would be better. 272 00:17:38,700 --> 00:17:41,370 The real purpose of this activity 273 00:17:41,370 --> 00:17:44,460 is just to give you a taste of what's in Wisdom Path 274 00:17:44,460 --> 00:17:47,180 and to help you understand that these 275 00:17:47,180 --> 00:17:48,800 are conversation starters. 276 00:17:48,800 --> 00:17:52,190 They are journaling prompts. 277 00:17:52,190 --> 00:17:55,260 It's with the hope that some of these scripts 278 00:17:55,260 --> 00:18:01,880 will give you an opportunity to talk with your spouse, if you 279 00:18:01,880 --> 00:18:04,870 have a spouse, or with a loved one, 280 00:18:04,870 --> 00:18:07,020 or maybe even with teenaged children 281 00:18:07,020 --> 00:18:12,150 about some of the ways in which your money story-- you've been 282 00:18:12,150 --> 00:18:15,650 shaped by some scripts that you may or may not want to embrace 283 00:18:15,650 --> 00:18:19,785 anymore, but they're there. 284 00:18:19,785 --> 00:18:22,070 So it's just a little taste. 285 00:18:22,070 --> 00:18:28,920 There it is from Wisdom Path. 286 00:18:28,920 --> 00:18:35,260 Actually, I wanted to show you-- this is from-- Pat, 287 00:18:35,260 --> 00:18:37,110 do you want to take it from here? 288 00:18:37,110 --> 00:18:47,060 Do you want to do this part? 289 00:18:47,060 --> 00:18:50,760 Pat Infante: OK, there we go. 290 00:18:50,760 --> 00:18:55,430 So one of the things that we wanted to highlight 291 00:18:55,430 --> 00:18:59,170 is the current issue of the UU World-- 292 00:18:59,170 --> 00:19:03,460 I hope that you all are familiar with the family pages that 293 00:19:03,460 --> 00:19:09,540 are in the center of the mailed at home UU World. 294 00:19:09,540 --> 00:19:15,780 This issue, the winter 2015, focuses on money and money 295 00:19:15,780 --> 00:19:16,650 for families. 296 00:19:16,650 --> 00:19:20,290 So it's maybe not a coincidence that we're doing this webinar 297 00:19:20,290 --> 00:19:23,870 and the UU World spread come out. 298 00:19:23,870 --> 00:19:27,660 But we're going to show you a fuller spread 299 00:19:27,660 --> 00:19:28,950 in a couple of other slides. 300 00:19:28,950 --> 00:19:32,070 But we just wanted to lift up these reflection questions. 301 00:19:32,070 --> 00:19:34,400 And they're great questions, again, 302 00:19:34,400 --> 00:19:37,990 for parents, even for youth. 303 00:19:37,990 --> 00:19:41,780 Youth maybe are just starting to earn their own money 304 00:19:41,780 --> 00:19:44,730 with a part-time job, or maybe they've started driving 305 00:19:44,730 --> 00:19:47,530 and they have to save money and budget money 306 00:19:47,530 --> 00:19:49,530 and really think differently about it. 307 00:19:49,530 --> 00:19:53,670 So we just wanted to invite you to think about these three 308 00:19:53,670 --> 00:19:54,670 questions. 309 00:19:54,670 --> 00:19:59,010 What were your early experiences with money? 310 00:19:59,010 --> 00:20:03,020 What were you taught as a child about money? 311 00:20:03,020 --> 00:20:06,950 And that always makes me think of all of those little sayings 312 00:20:06,950 --> 00:20:09,490 that we had when I was growing up, 313 00:20:09,490 --> 00:20:12,170 things like, money is the root of all evil, 314 00:20:12,170 --> 00:20:16,120 and those kinds of things, that that's kind of that tape that 315 00:20:16,120 --> 00:20:18,180 plays in your head. 316 00:20:18,180 --> 00:20:20,680 And then, what are three adjectives 317 00:20:20,680 --> 00:20:24,995 that you might use to describe your own relationship 318 00:20:24,995 --> 00:20:27,330 with money? 319 00:20:27,330 --> 00:20:30,353 It's complicated for most of us, but it's 320 00:20:30,353 --> 00:20:42,856 a worthwhile and interesting thing to reflect on. 321 00:20:42,856 --> 00:20:44,230 Gail Forsyth-vail: So we're going 322 00:20:44,230 --> 00:20:51,000 to share some little stories that hopefully will give you 323 00:20:51,000 --> 00:20:57,130 some tools for a conversation with family or in the classroom 324 00:20:57,130 --> 00:21:00,910 or in the congregation, and with youth and with adult learners. 325 00:21:00,910 --> 00:21:03,040 And we'll share some of our stories, 326 00:21:03,040 --> 00:21:06,680 and your stories will come up also, 327 00:21:06,680 --> 00:21:09,510 I think, and so you can either hold them till the end, 328 00:21:09,510 --> 00:21:11,110 or you can type them in the chat box, 329 00:21:11,110 --> 00:21:13,360 if you're just so excited you can't hold them the end. 330 00:21:13,360 --> 00:21:15,880 We'd love to see them when they come up. 331 00:21:15,880 --> 00:21:18,550 So we're just going to start with some stories. 332 00:21:18,550 --> 00:21:21,510 And I'm going to tell you a family story. 333 00:21:21,510 --> 00:21:23,420 I'm going to tell you about a time 334 00:21:23,420 --> 00:21:29,900 when my kids, who are now 34, 30, and 26, 335 00:21:29,900 --> 00:21:33,900 were teenagers and middle schoolers. 336 00:21:33,900 --> 00:21:38,320 And it became really clear that we 337 00:21:38,320 --> 00:21:41,780 needed to have some serious conversations about money, 338 00:21:41,780 --> 00:21:47,610 particularly since we were, that my husband and I, wanted 339 00:21:47,610 --> 00:21:50,880 to make a decision to give a certain percentage 340 00:21:50,880 --> 00:21:54,810 of our income to things we believed in, predominantly 341 00:21:54,810 --> 00:21:58,310 the congregation, but other things as well. 342 00:21:58,310 --> 00:22:00,850 And that required a conversation with the kids 343 00:22:00,850 --> 00:22:05,900 because there were certain expectations for things 344 00:22:05,900 --> 00:22:10,760 that couldn't also be met along with that commitment 345 00:22:10,760 --> 00:22:11,720 to make donations. 346 00:22:11,720 --> 00:22:14,020 So we talked about it a lot. 347 00:22:14,020 --> 00:22:19,080 And honestly, they pushed back a lot less 348 00:22:19,080 --> 00:22:22,630 than we anticipated about that. 349 00:22:22,630 --> 00:22:26,920 But when it really came home to me what a good thing it was, 350 00:22:26,920 --> 00:22:32,837 was I received a $200 honorarium at one point for speaking. 351 00:22:32,837 --> 00:22:34,795 And I brought the check home, and I said, well, 352 00:22:34,795 --> 00:22:36,878 if we're going to do this, we're going to do this. 353 00:22:36,878 --> 00:22:41,250 And so I said to the kids, I have this $200 honorarium, 354 00:22:41,250 --> 00:22:43,680 and that means 10% of it is $20. 355 00:22:43,680 --> 00:22:46,420 I said that means $20 of this needs to get donated. 356 00:22:46,420 --> 00:22:48,440 What are we going to do with it? 357 00:22:48,440 --> 00:22:51,210 And so we had a whole conversation. 358 00:22:51,210 --> 00:22:53,170 I don't even remember what we did with it. 359 00:22:53,170 --> 00:22:56,490 But there was all kinds of stuff on the table 360 00:22:56,490 --> 00:22:59,360 as to what we might possibly do with the $20. 361 00:22:59,360 --> 00:23:04,060 And I found that there was more animation about the $20, which 362 00:23:04,060 --> 00:23:08,270 sort of fell within their range, than perhaps 363 00:23:08,270 --> 00:23:10,620 percentage of income had. 364 00:23:10,620 --> 00:23:14,080 So that turned out to be a really good family 365 00:23:14,080 --> 00:23:18,200 conversation-- what do we do with the $20, and one 366 00:23:18,200 --> 00:23:19,730 that I still remember. 367 00:23:19,730 --> 00:23:21,770 So that's my story. 368 00:23:21,770 --> 00:23:27,420 And I'm going to invite Elizabeth to tell a story now. 369 00:23:27,420 --> 00:23:30,020 Elizabeth Terry: Hello again. 370 00:23:30,020 --> 00:23:31,720 I live in Wilmington, North Carolina, 371 00:23:31,720 --> 00:23:34,150 and I'm a member of the congregation there. 372 00:23:34,150 --> 00:23:36,880 And it took me a few years to figure out 373 00:23:36,880 --> 00:23:39,350 what I wanted my contributions to be 374 00:23:39,350 --> 00:23:42,480 to that religious community. 375 00:23:42,480 --> 00:23:45,260 And then I said, I love little kids. 376 00:23:45,260 --> 00:23:46,590 And I love teaching. 377 00:23:46,590 --> 00:23:48,940 So like how about being RE teacher? 378 00:23:48,940 --> 00:23:53,730 So the DRE in our congregation suggested 379 00:23:53,730 --> 00:23:57,280 that I be one of the teachers for that K 380 00:23:57,280 --> 00:24:03,660 through twp age group, and I said, OK. 381 00:24:03,660 --> 00:24:06,940 But I had only been teaching adults in my career 382 00:24:06,940 --> 00:24:08,130 up to that point. 383 00:24:08,130 --> 00:24:10,550 So this was like really an adventure. 384 00:24:10,550 --> 00:24:12,800 And I love it so much. 385 00:24:12,800 --> 00:24:16,930 One of the traditions in our congregation 386 00:24:16,930 --> 00:24:22,830 is that each Sunday in each of the RE classes a collection 387 00:24:22,830 --> 00:24:25,260 is collected. 388 00:24:25,260 --> 00:24:30,090 And the young people get to vote at the end of the church 389 00:24:30,090 --> 00:24:33,500 year where this money will be spent. 390 00:24:33,500 --> 00:24:35,960 There are three buckets where it will be spent. 391 00:24:35,960 --> 00:24:39,100 1/3 of the money will come to our congregation 392 00:24:39,100 --> 00:24:41,610 as a love offering. 393 00:24:41,610 --> 00:24:45,710 1/3 will go to a local nonprofit, 394 00:24:45,710 --> 00:24:50,250 and 1/3 will go to an international nonprofit. 395 00:24:50,250 --> 00:24:53,200 And the young people, all of them, 396 00:24:53,200 --> 00:24:56,890 get a say in that-- one of our wonderful traditions 397 00:24:56,890 --> 00:24:58,480 that everybody gets a say. 398 00:24:58,480 --> 00:25:05,930 And last year the two nonprofits that 399 00:25:05,930 --> 00:25:12,140 got the money were a local homeless shelter, 400 00:25:12,140 --> 00:25:16,610 and Heifer International was the international charity 401 00:25:16,610 --> 00:25:17,900 that got the money. 402 00:25:17,900 --> 00:25:22,100 And the discussions that happened with every age group 403 00:25:22,100 --> 00:25:25,200 were really kind of fascinating, and I love the discussions 404 00:25:25,200 --> 00:25:28,440 that the K through two class were having about 405 00:25:28,440 --> 00:25:29,910 these different nonprofits. 406 00:25:29,910 --> 00:25:33,300 And there were new concepts for them 407 00:25:33,300 --> 00:25:35,700 that people didn't have a home to live, 408 00:25:35,700 --> 00:25:38,540 and they were very sad about that. 409 00:25:38,540 --> 00:25:40,330 And so what can we do? 410 00:25:40,330 --> 00:25:44,530 And so we take up a collection of money each week, 411 00:25:44,530 --> 00:25:46,330 and kids bring in a quarter or a dollar 412 00:25:46,330 --> 00:25:50,180 or two pennies or something, and it goes forward from there. 413 00:25:50,180 --> 00:25:53,920 But they also have ways to think about how can they 414 00:25:53,920 --> 00:25:55,770 give in other ways? 415 00:25:55,770 --> 00:26:00,660 So we way also every Sunday have a basket for Mother Hubbard's 416 00:26:00,660 --> 00:26:03,650 Cupboard that goes to a homeless shelter, 417 00:26:03,650 --> 00:26:09,440 and one of the local non-profits that was in consideration 418 00:26:09,440 --> 00:26:11,870 was a domestic violence shelter. 419 00:26:11,870 --> 00:26:15,720 And the discussion that we had about that 420 00:26:15,720 --> 00:26:19,300 in some families people aren't nice and they're mean 421 00:26:19,300 --> 00:26:21,520 and they might hurt each other, was 422 00:26:21,520 --> 00:26:24,610 like so mindblowing for them. 423 00:26:24,610 --> 00:26:28,640 And their compassion was invoked, 424 00:26:28,640 --> 00:26:31,960 and it was just so lovely to see these young people thinking 425 00:26:31,960 --> 00:26:35,290 through these issues of helping someone who 426 00:26:35,290 --> 00:26:37,740 lives in the country that you're never going to see, 427 00:26:37,740 --> 00:26:41,460 to helping people who are local, and to getting care 428 00:26:41,460 --> 00:26:43,380 to our own congregation. 429 00:26:43,380 --> 00:26:45,420 So it was like an opportunity for them 430 00:26:45,420 --> 00:26:48,940 to like start this critical and creative thinking 431 00:26:48,940 --> 00:26:53,560 problem solving about here are these situations in the world, 432 00:26:53,560 --> 00:26:57,249 and my quarter can make a difference. 433 00:26:57,249 --> 00:26:59,290 Of course, it led to some wild things with Heifer 434 00:26:59,290 --> 00:27:02,900 International that some of the kids the cougars 435 00:27:02,900 --> 00:27:04,840 were really cool, and couldn't we just 436 00:27:04,840 --> 00:27:07,690 give this family in Africa a cougar. 437 00:27:07,690 --> 00:27:09,590 And so it lead to a discussion about why 438 00:27:09,590 --> 00:27:11,430 that would not make much sense. 439 00:27:11,430 --> 00:27:17,170 But I just love that these kids are coming out of themselves 440 00:27:17,170 --> 00:27:21,230 and connecting with others and figuring out how they 441 00:27:21,230 --> 00:27:24,120 can help somebody-- lovely. 442 00:27:24,120 --> 00:27:33,020 K through two at Wilmington. 443 00:27:33,020 --> 00:27:36,630 Pat Infante: So I was going to just share a couple stories 444 00:27:36,630 --> 00:27:40,870 about ways that we can talk about money with children 445 00:27:40,870 --> 00:27:42,860 in the congregation. 446 00:27:42,860 --> 00:27:48,210 It's wonderful to create multi-generational 447 00:27:48,210 --> 00:27:55,300 opportunities for giving or if we're talking about money. 448 00:27:55,300 --> 00:28:00,490 One of the things that we did in the congregation that I attend 449 00:28:00,490 --> 00:28:04,320 is when they had the annual pledge campaign, 450 00:28:04,320 --> 00:28:07,130 they put up the old thermometer. 451 00:28:07,130 --> 00:28:09,530 And they had next to it, side by side, 452 00:28:09,530 --> 00:28:11,850 they had a penny jar for the children. 453 00:28:11,850 --> 00:28:16,680 And the children were able to, as the adult thermometer 454 00:28:16,680 --> 00:28:21,460 went up every week, the penny jar would also increase. 455 00:28:21,460 --> 00:28:23,820 And so they were able to understand 456 00:28:23,820 --> 00:28:29,260 that they were doing something scaled slightly differently, 457 00:28:29,260 --> 00:28:32,060 but they were doing something that the adults were doing, 458 00:28:32,060 --> 00:28:34,720 and it was about investing in our community. 459 00:28:34,720 --> 00:28:38,890 It was about being good stewards of this church home 460 00:28:38,890 --> 00:28:41,230 that we all care about. 461 00:28:41,230 --> 00:28:46,350 Other things that you can do in the congregation with children 462 00:28:46,350 --> 00:28:51,800 is I don't know if many congregations still do this, 463 00:28:51,800 --> 00:28:53,430 but they do in my congregation. 464 00:28:53,430 --> 00:28:55,280 I'm in the Northeast. 465 00:28:55,280 --> 00:28:58,430 We still do the trick-or-treat for UNICEF. 466 00:28:58,430 --> 00:29:00,950 So there's an opportunity for them. 467 00:29:00,950 --> 00:29:02,940 They get their little orange boxes, 468 00:29:02,940 --> 00:29:06,410 and the children will dress in Halloween costumes, 469 00:29:06,410 --> 00:29:07,910 and they will parade around. 470 00:29:07,910 --> 00:29:11,520 They'll parade through the sanctuary, 471 00:29:11,520 --> 00:29:17,060 and then they'll also parade through coffee hour, 472 00:29:17,060 --> 00:29:17,760 collecting. 473 00:29:17,760 --> 00:29:22,180 And it's a great opportunity for adults to meet the kids 474 00:29:22,180 --> 00:29:24,900 and to see them excited. 475 00:29:24,900 --> 00:29:27,480 And the children are also learning 476 00:29:27,480 --> 00:29:31,260 about why it's important that we share our gifts 477 00:29:31,260 --> 00:29:34,110 and share our abundance with children 478 00:29:34,110 --> 00:29:37,440 in other parts of the world, who may not 479 00:29:37,440 --> 00:29:39,326 have good nutrition, who may not have 480 00:29:39,326 --> 00:29:40,950 all the right medicines that they need, 481 00:29:40,950 --> 00:29:43,330 who may need fresh water. 482 00:29:43,330 --> 00:29:45,380 So there are wonderful stories that go along 483 00:29:45,380 --> 00:29:47,280 with that for the children. 484 00:29:47,280 --> 00:29:48,900 But it's also a great opportunity 485 00:29:48,900 --> 00:29:53,920 for adults and children to meet and to share stories 486 00:29:53,920 --> 00:29:59,510 with each other. 487 00:29:59,510 --> 00:30:02,420 How about with youth? 488 00:30:02,420 --> 00:30:06,450 Gail Forsyth-vail: So when I served a congregation 489 00:30:06,450 --> 00:30:09,110 as religious educator one of the things that 490 00:30:09,110 --> 00:30:12,960 was really important to me was to work with the leadership 491 00:30:12,960 --> 00:30:16,057 of the youth. 492 00:30:16,057 --> 00:30:17,890 At that time we had a Youth Adult Committee, 493 00:30:17,890 --> 00:30:20,960 but to work with the youth leaders, however they are, 494 00:30:20,960 --> 00:30:26,740 and to teach them how to propose a budget and defend it. 495 00:30:26,740 --> 00:30:29,190 So, in other words, instead of having 496 00:30:29,190 --> 00:30:32,290 the finance committee or the board or the parish council 497 00:30:32,290 --> 00:30:35,480 decide, oh, the youth group should have 498 00:30:35,480 --> 00:30:39,260 $500 next year or whatever. 499 00:30:39,260 --> 00:30:42,090 Basically, I would tell the youth 500 00:30:42,090 --> 00:30:44,340 that they were responsible for certain things, 501 00:30:44,340 --> 00:30:49,570 such as the roses and the gift books for bridging 502 00:30:49,570 --> 00:30:53,060 and some other things which were their responsibility, 503 00:30:53,060 --> 00:30:56,530 but also ask them to budget for the things which 504 00:30:56,530 --> 00:31:01,120 we would see as spiritual development programming, things 505 00:31:01,120 --> 00:31:04,760 that the congregation should support, not necessarily 506 00:31:04,760 --> 00:31:06,760 the bowling trip, which they needed to fundraise 507 00:31:06,760 --> 00:31:09,270 for, but other sorts of things. 508 00:31:09,270 --> 00:31:12,210 And so teaching them how the budget process works, 509 00:31:12,210 --> 00:31:16,290 how to write a budget proposal, where it goes from there, 510 00:31:16,290 --> 00:31:18,950 how it works its way through the committee, how 511 00:31:18,950 --> 00:31:21,730 you defend that proposal. 512 00:31:21,730 --> 00:31:24,290 So to invite a couple of leaders from the youth 513 00:31:24,290 --> 00:31:27,950 actually be present at the meeting, where the music 514 00:31:27,950 --> 00:31:31,730 committee is arguing for the need for sheet music, 515 00:31:31,730 --> 00:31:34,410 and somebody else is arguing for coffee hour supplies, 516 00:31:34,410 --> 00:31:38,800 and realizing how it all gets together. 517 00:31:38,800 --> 00:31:41,700 I think it's tremendously empowering for youth 518 00:31:41,700 --> 00:31:43,560 to actually make a budget proposal 519 00:31:43,560 --> 00:31:49,140 and have it be for things that are 520 00:31:49,140 --> 00:31:50,860 real in the life of the congregation. 521 00:31:50,860 --> 00:31:53,270 I also think it not only build skills for youth, 522 00:31:53,270 --> 00:31:57,600 but I actually think it helps the leadership, 523 00:31:57,600 --> 00:32:01,880 the adult leadership, in the church view the youth 524 00:32:01,880 --> 00:32:05,430 leadership as also leaders in the congregation. 525 00:32:05,430 --> 00:32:08,550 So I always felt as though getting 526 00:32:08,550 --> 00:32:10,460 them to work through the budget process 527 00:32:10,460 --> 00:32:14,450 was a really important piece. 528 00:32:14,450 --> 00:32:18,980 I also think with youth that a piece that 529 00:32:18,980 --> 00:32:21,630 comes from Wisdom Path is a suggestion 530 00:32:21,630 --> 00:32:26,580 that there be a conversation at some point about money earning. 531 00:32:26,580 --> 00:32:29,410 Invite adults to talk about the ways 532 00:32:29,410 --> 00:32:33,430 in which they've earned money over time and what values 533 00:32:33,430 --> 00:32:37,550 are represented by the ways they have earned money. 534 00:32:37,550 --> 00:32:39,460 I think of my dad. 535 00:32:39,460 --> 00:32:43,060 When he was a young man, really wanting to buy an engagement 536 00:32:43,060 --> 00:32:46,120 ring for my mother before he went overseas. 537 00:32:46,120 --> 00:32:48,330 He went overseas as a soldier, and he 538 00:32:48,330 --> 00:32:50,270 talks about collecting the money in the jar, 539 00:32:50,270 --> 00:32:54,540 and that was the most important thing to him was to be engaged. 540 00:32:54,540 --> 00:32:58,450 And so what he did for work wasn't as important as actually 541 00:32:58,450 --> 00:33:00,460 what his goal was. 542 00:33:00,460 --> 00:33:02,490 Whereas there are other times in your life 543 00:33:02,490 --> 00:33:05,710 where your actual work is a really important piece. 544 00:33:05,710 --> 00:33:08,950 So to invite youth and adults to have conversations 545 00:33:08,950 --> 00:33:10,920 about that and about the way they earn money 546 00:33:10,920 --> 00:33:15,390 and how it relates to your values in the world, 547 00:33:15,390 --> 00:33:20,380 so that's another youth piece. 548 00:33:20,380 --> 00:33:23,650 Pat Infante: And so for adult learners, 549 00:33:23,650 --> 00:33:27,850 we said earlier that it's really important when you're 550 00:33:27,850 --> 00:33:32,450 working with children and families around money 551 00:33:32,450 --> 00:33:36,340 to kind of understand your own story first. 552 00:33:36,340 --> 00:33:39,500 Know thy self, I think somebody said yesterday. 553 00:33:39,500 --> 00:33:43,520 So one of the primary tools that we recommend 554 00:33:43,520 --> 00:33:47,570 for doing that work is Wisdom Path, which 555 00:33:47,570 --> 00:33:53,120 is a 12-workshop curriculum. 556 00:33:53,120 --> 00:33:57,510 It's in the Tapestry of Faith program. 557 00:33:57,510 --> 00:34:03,170 It's subtitled "Money, Spirit and Life," so it's about money, 558 00:34:03,170 --> 00:34:10,690 but it's also about how are we connected spiritually to, 559 00:34:10,690 --> 00:34:14,219 again, that earning, that investing, that saving. 560 00:34:14,219 --> 00:34:18,510 How does that all impact us in on our spiritual practice 561 00:34:18,510 --> 00:34:20,420 and our spiritual lives? 562 00:34:20,420 --> 00:34:24,960 You can do all 12, or you can do just a few. 563 00:34:24,960 --> 00:34:28,159 You can do three or four. 564 00:34:28,159 --> 00:34:32,270 Sort of the first third of it is really the money autobiography 565 00:34:32,270 --> 00:34:35,449 and really getting to get comfortable 566 00:34:35,449 --> 00:34:38,010 talking about your own money story 567 00:34:38,010 --> 00:34:42,310 and also beginning to really examine 568 00:34:42,310 --> 00:34:45,780 how money and values are connected 569 00:34:45,780 --> 00:34:50,980 both in our personal lives and in our congregational life. 570 00:34:50,980 --> 00:34:54,980 And one of the things about money, it 571 00:34:54,980 --> 00:34:57,640 really is one of the last taboos. 572 00:34:57,640 --> 00:35:02,720 We rarely will go to a social function with other adults 573 00:35:02,720 --> 00:35:06,580 and have open conversations. 574 00:35:06,580 --> 00:35:11,400 You don't ask somebody how much they make, for example. 575 00:35:11,400 --> 00:35:14,530 There are just certain taboos around ways 576 00:35:14,530 --> 00:35:16,400 that we can talk about money. 577 00:35:16,400 --> 00:35:20,390 And so when there are conversations 578 00:35:20,390 --> 00:35:22,980 that are uncomfortable, there also 579 00:35:22,980 --> 00:35:27,140 can be embarrassment and shame-- shame and embarrassment 580 00:35:27,140 --> 00:35:32,380 around economic difference, around the money 581 00:35:32,380 --> 00:35:35,230 issues from maybe our family of origin. 582 00:35:35,230 --> 00:35:40,920 And so Wisdom Path gives folks a place to process some of that 583 00:35:40,920 --> 00:35:45,110 and to be able to sort of come to a better 584 00:35:45,110 --> 00:35:51,920 understanding of the role that money can play in their life. 585 00:35:51,920 --> 00:35:55,830 So I recommend the Wisdom Path. 586 00:35:55,830 --> 00:36:04,510 We love to talk about money. 587 00:36:04,510 --> 00:36:08,930 Any other tools? 588 00:36:08,930 --> 00:36:10,800 Gail Forsyth-vail: I think, should we 589 00:36:10,800 --> 00:36:14,820 ask Elizabeth to talk to him about the Family 590 00:36:14,820 --> 00:36:16,330 Pages for money map things? 591 00:36:16,330 --> 00:36:16,871 Is that next? 592 00:36:16,871 --> 00:36:19,776 Pat Infante: That might be next, yay. 593 00:36:19,776 --> 00:36:21,142 Gail Forsyth-vail: Yay. 594 00:36:21,142 --> 00:36:23,090 Elizabeth Terry: Like, how beautiful is that? 595 00:36:23,090 --> 00:36:27,160 Look at those gorgeous colors and the little nice swirly 596 00:36:27,160 --> 00:36:28,940 little map. 597 00:36:28,940 --> 00:36:31,620 It's fabulous. 598 00:36:31,620 --> 00:36:34,040 I have to admit, I go to the middle pages 599 00:36:34,040 --> 00:36:36,410 first, when I get my UU World, and when I see 600 00:36:36,410 --> 00:36:37,610 what's like happening there. 601 00:36:37,610 --> 00:36:39,640 And I'm always delighted. 602 00:36:39,640 --> 00:36:44,870 I'm like especially delighted with this issue. 603 00:36:44,870 --> 00:36:46,460 I love to talk about money. 604 00:36:46,460 --> 00:36:48,370 And I don't have a problem with that 605 00:36:48,370 --> 00:36:50,624 because it's really about a relationship 606 00:36:50,624 --> 00:36:52,290 that you're building with another person 607 00:36:52,290 --> 00:36:54,199 and understanding who they are. 608 00:36:54,199 --> 00:36:55,740 And it's an opportunity to understand 609 00:36:55,740 --> 00:36:57,260 yourself a little bit better. 610 00:36:57,260 --> 00:37:01,630 So I love the tools and the suggestions 611 00:37:01,630 --> 00:37:06,360 that are made in the Family Pages this time. 612 00:37:06,360 --> 00:37:10,250 And at the very front page of the Family Pages 613 00:37:10,250 --> 00:37:11,939 it does say "know yourself." 614 00:37:11,939 --> 00:37:13,480 That's like really, really important. 615 00:37:13,480 --> 00:37:15,690 Know yourself, and then bring other people 616 00:37:15,690 --> 00:37:18,780 into a conversation of knowing themselves better, 617 00:37:18,780 --> 00:37:21,320 and you will know yourself better as well. 618 00:37:21,320 --> 00:37:24,610 So these Family Pages this time are like fabulous, 619 00:37:24,610 --> 00:37:29,940 talking about our principles that really tie very deeply 620 00:37:29,940 --> 00:37:31,970 to conversations about money. 621 00:37:31,970 --> 00:37:35,330 The money map is a gem, and I think 622 00:37:35,330 --> 00:37:37,220 we got that from our colleague Sarah 623 00:37:37,220 --> 00:37:41,100 Lewis in Olympia, Washington. 624 00:37:41,100 --> 00:37:45,010 It's a way to look at money they have 625 00:37:45,010 --> 00:37:47,570 and how do you want to spend it. 626 00:37:47,570 --> 00:37:50,510 You can blow up the money map that's in your Family Pages, 627 00:37:50,510 --> 00:37:53,510 or you could simply use a flip chart paper 628 00:37:53,510 --> 00:37:58,670 and draw your own little swirly map with places along it 629 00:37:58,670 --> 00:38:02,450 where you could stop and spend money, like money 630 00:38:02,450 --> 00:38:11,500 on clothes or grocery or tuition or fun or buying a book 631 00:38:11,500 --> 00:38:12,640 or saving money. 632 00:38:12,640 --> 00:38:14,510 What a concept-- saving money. 633 00:38:14,510 --> 00:38:17,480 So I like the way to play this money map game 634 00:38:17,480 --> 00:38:21,470 is that everybody in the family, or in the class, 635 00:38:21,470 --> 00:38:24,010 gets a stack of fake money. 636 00:38:24,010 --> 00:38:29,090 You saw on our opening slide this lovely little flaming 637 00:38:29,090 --> 00:38:33,440 chalice that you can download from the UUA website 638 00:38:33,440 --> 00:38:36,424 to create your own fake money. 639 00:38:36,424 --> 00:38:38,090 Everybody gets the same amount of money, 640 00:38:38,090 --> 00:38:40,370 and then decisions and a conversation 641 00:38:40,370 --> 00:38:43,590 can happen about how are you going to spend it. 642 00:38:43,590 --> 00:38:46,072 And in the upper right-hand corner 643 00:38:46,072 --> 00:38:47,530 there, you see it like this drawing 644 00:38:47,530 --> 00:38:49,640 of this woman Frances Ellen Watkins 645 00:38:49,640 --> 00:38:56,520 Harper, who was Z born in 1825, a free black woman in Maryland. 646 00:38:56,520 --> 00:39:01,020 And she died in 1911 in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, 647 00:39:01,020 --> 00:39:03,230 where she was a member of the First Unitarian 648 00:39:03,230 --> 00:39:04,400 Church of Philadelphia. 649 00:39:04,400 --> 00:39:07,820 And the little story about her is talking about how 650 00:39:07,820 --> 00:39:13,920 not to spend money, and that is by doing a boycot-- spending 651 00:39:13,920 --> 00:39:17,970 money, not spending money, using our principles to make 652 00:39:17,970 --> 00:39:21,590 our decisions and our choices and to guide our conversations 653 00:39:21,590 --> 00:39:22,670 around money. 654 00:39:22,670 --> 00:39:27,720 It's all important as Unitarian Universalists. 655 00:39:27,720 --> 00:39:30,140 I thought about using these pages 656 00:39:30,140 --> 00:39:34,370 and inviting people who have already read through UU World 657 00:39:34,370 --> 00:39:38,820 to bring in the Family Pages to be shared with RE classes. 658 00:39:38,820 --> 00:39:44,240 And they're available online as well, right, Pat? 659 00:39:44,240 --> 00:39:45,210 Yes. 660 00:39:45,210 --> 00:39:49,600 So I'd love to hear how you think about using these Family 661 00:39:49,600 --> 00:39:53,290 Pages And just like really be creative about it 662 00:39:53,290 --> 00:39:55,600 and make up your own game about money. 663 00:39:55,600 --> 00:39:58,450 The money map is one suggestion, but it 664 00:39:58,450 --> 00:40:02,510 could be almost anything you want it to be. 665 00:40:02,510 --> 00:40:06,950 Yes, there's some like comments in that chat box. 666 00:40:06,950 --> 00:40:08,880 Yeah, loving it. 667 00:40:08,880 --> 00:40:12,950 Oh, the Family Pages on money, it's right there. 668 00:40:12,950 --> 00:40:14,950 Thanks, Pat Kahn for putting that up. 669 00:40:14,950 --> 00:40:16,280 And, yes, good ideas. 670 00:40:16,280 --> 00:40:18,690 And it's a good thing for youth groups, too. 671 00:40:18,690 --> 00:40:20,380 Thanks, everybody. 672 00:40:20,380 --> 00:40:22,850 I'm going to mute myself again, because the cat has 673 00:40:22,850 --> 00:40:23,682 come in the room. 674 00:40:23,682 --> 00:40:25,140 Gail Forsyth-vail: I actually think 675 00:40:25,140 --> 00:40:27,410 you're still on here because you've got 676 00:40:27,410 --> 00:40:32,300 to unpack some stuff for us. 677 00:40:32,300 --> 00:40:34,260 Elizabeth Terry: I am back. 678 00:40:34,260 --> 00:40:41,040 Wow, anybody who has moved has a stack of boxes similar to that. 679 00:40:41,040 --> 00:40:45,130 I love that this person has their head in the stewardship 680 00:40:45,130 --> 00:40:48,510 box, so they're going to unpack that first. 681 00:40:48,510 --> 00:40:53,660 But there are other things, like tithing and abundance 682 00:40:53,660 --> 00:40:58,950 and I can't read the other ones, but want and need-- wow, want 683 00:40:58,950 --> 00:41:00,370 and need. 684 00:41:00,370 --> 00:41:04,890 Abundance and scarcity-- talk about your continuums. 685 00:41:04,890 --> 00:41:06,670 One of the invitations I do believe 686 00:41:06,670 --> 00:41:13,160 of Unitarian Universalism is to really believe in abundance. 687 00:41:13,160 --> 00:41:17,090 I think that a lot of our messages are about scarcity. 688 00:41:17,090 --> 00:41:17,980 There's not enough. 689 00:41:17,980 --> 00:41:19,240 Somebody else has it. 690 00:41:19,240 --> 00:41:20,940 I don't have enough to pay the bills. 691 00:41:20,940 --> 00:41:25,900 We have those messages that are like really ingrained in us. 692 00:41:25,900 --> 00:41:30,520 And the invitation, I think, of our vibrant, 693 00:41:30,520 --> 00:41:35,060 progressive liberal faith to believe in abundance. 694 00:41:35,060 --> 00:41:38,220 And the way that we get there is by sharing. 695 00:41:38,220 --> 00:41:42,770 Like I may not have enough, but together we do. 696 00:41:42,770 --> 00:41:47,760 The church and the religious tradition that I grew up in, 697 00:41:47,760 --> 00:41:49,700 we were tithers. 698 00:41:49,700 --> 00:41:57,070 And that means that we gave 10% of our money to our church. 699 00:41:57,070 --> 00:42:01,120 While I may not give 10% of my money to our church, 700 00:42:01,120 --> 00:42:05,300 I do give 10% of my money away. 701 00:42:05,300 --> 00:42:09,750 And that's how I interpret my Unitarian Universalist 702 00:42:09,750 --> 00:42:12,240 values of being connected to community, 703 00:42:12,240 --> 00:42:16,880 connected to church community, and connected to the broader 704 00:42:16,880 --> 00:42:19,850 beloved community that we're trying to build. 705 00:42:19,850 --> 00:42:24,380 And while barter may happen some places, 706 00:42:24,380 --> 00:42:26,610 it really takes money to move things. 707 00:42:26,610 --> 00:42:31,860 So if we can have these really delightful conversations 708 00:42:31,860 --> 00:42:35,150 about money and the power that we 709 00:42:35,150 --> 00:42:40,910 can have to change the world by wisely spending, saving, not 710 00:42:40,910 --> 00:42:42,720 spending our money through boycotts, 711 00:42:42,720 --> 00:42:44,440 I think it'd be a different world. 712 00:42:44,440 --> 00:42:47,180 Stewardship is that first box he's unpacking, 713 00:42:47,180 --> 00:42:52,690 and our congregations, if we can have those conversations 714 00:42:52,690 --> 00:42:54,690 about stewardship, and part of that 715 00:42:54,690 --> 00:42:59,290 is having a conversations one on one with each other about 716 00:42:59,290 --> 00:43:02,220 believing in our congregation, and what 717 00:43:02,220 --> 00:43:04,940 it's bringing to us and to the community, 718 00:43:04,940 --> 00:43:07,090 it would be really, really wonderful. 719 00:43:07,090 --> 00:43:15,550 And being able to determine what it is that we need, 720 00:43:15,550 --> 00:43:19,260 which is different from what we might what. 721 00:43:19,260 --> 00:43:24,590 But abundance for me, is the key to our thriving 722 00:43:24,590 --> 00:43:27,615 as a religious community, of believing in abundance, 723 00:43:27,615 --> 00:43:28,490 that there is enough. 724 00:43:28,490 --> 00:43:32,780 When we put it all together, we can get where we want to get. 725 00:43:32,780 --> 00:43:35,970 Unpack your boxes. 726 00:43:35,970 --> 00:43:44,500 Yeah, thank you. 727 00:43:44,500 --> 00:43:50,310 Gail Forsyth-vail: So I think that now's the time for ideas 728 00:43:50,310 --> 00:43:51,270 and questions. 729 00:43:51,270 --> 00:43:55,320 And I didn't know, Pat Kahn, if you wanted to navigate this, 730 00:43:55,320 --> 00:44:01,960 or should we do that? 731 00:44:01,960 --> 00:44:10,130 Pat Kahn: OK, I just unmuted myself, and there I am again. 732 00:44:10,130 --> 00:44:12,070 Yeah, we don't have a whole bunch of people 733 00:44:12,070 --> 00:44:14,340 online, so that means that you've got 734 00:44:14,340 --> 00:44:16,170 extra time to ask questions. 735 00:44:16,170 --> 00:44:19,030 And you can either type them in the box, 736 00:44:19,030 --> 00:44:23,470 or I can also unmute you if you'd like 737 00:44:23,470 --> 00:44:26,380 to ask your question directly. 738 00:44:26,380 --> 00:44:30,170 So you can indicate that in the chat box by saying, 739 00:44:30,170 --> 00:44:32,980 I want to say something, or type your question 740 00:44:32,980 --> 00:44:37,160 into the chat box on anything that's come up tonight. 741 00:44:37,160 --> 00:44:41,170 So if the ideas that people have mentioned or resources, 742 00:44:41,170 --> 00:44:42,930 what questions do you have? 743 00:44:42,930 --> 00:44:45,420 Debbie says that they don't currently 744 00:44:45,420 --> 00:44:47,980 take up a collection on Sundays, and they're also 745 00:44:47,980 --> 00:44:49,994 in the middle of the annual canvas. 746 00:44:49,994 --> 00:44:55,170 How we suggest that she could bring this idea up? 747 00:44:55,170 --> 00:44:59,230 So I would throw that out to any of you guys. 748 00:44:59,230 --> 00:45:07,010 What's the best way to bring that up? 749 00:45:07,010 --> 00:45:09,990 Gail Forsyth-vail: Personally, I would start with staff meeting. 750 00:45:09,990 --> 00:45:13,550 I would start with the parish minister 751 00:45:13,550 --> 00:45:18,130 to talk about maybe that this webinar, 752 00:45:18,130 --> 00:45:21,610 and that it's important that they're 753 00:45:21,610 --> 00:45:25,580 not be silence about money around our children, 754 00:45:25,580 --> 00:45:28,670 and that it really is an important spiritual issue 755 00:45:28,670 --> 00:45:31,070 for our children and families. 756 00:45:31,070 --> 00:45:33,950 And our silence in religious community 757 00:45:33,950 --> 00:45:37,000 around children about money is not doing them any favors. 758 00:45:37,000 --> 00:45:41,080 It's not teaching them how to live their values in the world. 759 00:45:41,080 --> 00:45:44,790 So I guess the place that I would start with something 760 00:45:44,790 --> 00:45:49,267 like that is with probably both with the parish minister 761 00:45:49,267 --> 00:45:50,850 and the religious education committee, 762 00:45:50,850 --> 00:45:53,390 depending on what the structure is in your congregation. 763 00:45:53,390 --> 00:45:56,390 But I certainly wouldn't want to go it alone 764 00:45:56,390 --> 00:45:58,910 on something that's a change like that. 765 00:45:58,910 --> 00:46:01,550 So , I don't know, Pat, if you want to add anything, 766 00:46:01,550 --> 00:46:04,451 or Elizabeth? 767 00:46:04,451 --> 00:46:06,075 Elizabeth Terry: Yes, I agree with what 768 00:46:06,075 --> 00:46:09,210 you're saying of like we don't have to do anything alone. 769 00:46:09,210 --> 00:46:11,810 So like this is most definitely, whether it's 770 00:46:11,810 --> 00:46:13,490 like something huge and a game changer, 771 00:46:13,490 --> 00:46:15,620 we just really don't have to do anything alone. 772 00:46:15,620 --> 00:46:20,250 And they're your colleagues that are here on this call 773 00:46:20,250 --> 00:46:22,750 and that were on the webinar the other night, 774 00:46:22,750 --> 00:46:25,580 and there's those of us who are staff will continue 775 00:46:25,580 --> 00:46:27,510 to be a resource for you. 776 00:46:27,510 --> 00:46:31,050 And something that I've discovered in teaching RE 777 00:46:31,050 --> 00:46:35,680 is that within every curriculum, there 778 00:46:35,680 --> 00:46:38,180 is the narrative piece of telling your story, 779 00:46:38,180 --> 00:46:41,380 knowing who you are, but there is also generally 780 00:46:41,380 --> 00:46:45,230 a piece about connecting to others and helping others. 781 00:46:45,230 --> 00:46:48,400 And money is part of that. 782 00:46:48,400 --> 00:46:50,625 So you know, it's like right there already. 783 00:46:50,625 --> 00:46:55,070 You're already doing it, but maybe not 784 00:46:55,070 --> 00:46:56,160 deliberately doing it. 785 00:46:56,160 --> 00:46:58,340 But I think that in our curricula 786 00:46:58,340 --> 00:47:01,710 there are opportunities to talk about money. 787 00:47:01,710 --> 00:47:07,250 And this is being recorded, so you can use it as a resource 788 00:47:07,250 --> 00:47:09,090 to help talk about it. 789 00:47:09,090 --> 00:47:14,310 And I invite any of you to call RDRE in Wilmington 790 00:47:14,310 --> 00:47:17,150 to talk about this thing that is now a tradition, 791 00:47:17,150 --> 00:47:19,780 and it's we've been here seven years. 792 00:47:19,780 --> 00:47:23,600 And we have done this in our classes, all of our classes, 793 00:47:23,600 --> 00:47:24,120 every year. 794 00:47:24,120 --> 00:47:25,911 So it was here when we got here, and I just 795 00:47:25,911 --> 00:47:30,370 thought every RE class all over the UUA did this, 796 00:47:30,370 --> 00:47:32,710 and I'm learning differently. 797 00:47:32,710 --> 00:47:40,060 But maybe we're starting a wave that's coming your way. 798 00:47:40,060 --> 00:47:43,762 Pat Kahn: Theresa asks a really good question, 799 00:47:43,762 --> 00:47:44,970 class tensions show up early. 800 00:47:44,970 --> 00:47:47,910 How can we honor that young children might already 801 00:47:47,910 --> 00:47:50,970 have acquired class based wounds, 802 00:47:50,970 --> 00:47:53,170 but have a positive conversation about money 803 00:47:53,170 --> 00:47:56,960 as potential to do good in the world? 804 00:47:56,960 --> 00:48:03,486 Any of our presenters have some thoughts on that? 805 00:48:03,486 --> 00:48:05,360 Elizabeth Terry: Well, they do show up early. 806 00:48:05,360 --> 00:48:09,080 And I can say that from the vantage point of co-teaching K 807 00:48:09,080 --> 00:48:10,190 through two. 808 00:48:10,190 --> 00:48:12,270 And just like conversations that can 809 00:48:12,270 --> 00:48:19,120 happen in joys and concerns very innocently 810 00:48:19,120 --> 00:48:21,790 can make some children feel like strange. 811 00:48:21,790 --> 00:48:23,790 And one of the conversation that I'm remembering 812 00:48:23,790 --> 00:48:27,460 is that a couple of boys were very excited about being 813 00:48:27,460 --> 00:48:29,090 part of Cub Scouts. 814 00:48:29,090 --> 00:48:31,250 And then somebody else in their class 815 00:48:31,250 --> 00:48:33,370 said, well, you must be really, really 816 00:48:33,370 --> 00:48:36,380 rich because we can't afford for me to be in Cub Scouts. 817 00:48:36,380 --> 00:48:39,480 And it was like an opportunity to talk about families 818 00:48:39,480 --> 00:48:41,550 have different amounts of money, and are 819 00:48:41,550 --> 00:48:44,200 making different decisions and choices. 820 00:48:44,200 --> 00:48:47,305 And I knew that that kid who thought they were so poor 821 00:48:47,305 --> 00:48:50,680 was because their family was saving to buy a house, 822 00:48:50,680 --> 00:48:53,180 so they didn't have disposable income. 823 00:48:53,180 --> 00:48:55,051 So their family had made a choice, 824 00:48:55,051 --> 00:48:56,550 or the parents had made this choice, 825 00:48:56,550 --> 00:48:58,940 to save money and buy a house. 826 00:48:58,940 --> 00:49:00,920 And they didn't have a lot of disposable income 827 00:49:00,920 --> 00:49:02,300 for things like Cub Scouts. 828 00:49:02,300 --> 00:49:06,360 So we were able to talk about choices that families make, 829 00:49:06,360 --> 00:49:09,216 without likes me saying specifically, well, 830 00:49:09,216 --> 00:49:11,090 your parents are saving money to buy a house. 831 00:49:11,090 --> 00:49:13,000 But we talked about the different choices, 832 00:49:13,000 --> 00:49:15,760 kind of in the money map kind of way. 833 00:49:15,760 --> 00:49:22,130 But some children like do come with like these not nice, maybe 834 00:49:22,130 --> 00:49:25,210 hateful, punitive thoughts about poor people 835 00:49:25,210 --> 00:49:28,980 that we also have to unpack that box in the class. 836 00:49:28,980 --> 00:49:32,135 There's an opportunity to, and I love those opportunities 837 00:49:32,135 --> 00:49:36,640 as an educator to like unpack that box. 838 00:49:36,640 --> 00:49:39,570 There's a teachable moment every moment. 839 00:49:39,570 --> 00:49:42,540 And it's like our job as the adults, 840 00:49:42,540 --> 00:49:50,490 I think, with these young people to not let it just slide away. 841 00:49:50,490 --> 00:49:53,270 Pat Kahn: Erin shared a great story. 842 00:49:53,270 --> 00:49:57,150 She said they did a fun program last year, Children's Chapel. 843 00:49:57,150 --> 00:50:00,780 Each student got a job and an envelope with money, 844 00:50:00,780 --> 00:50:02,610 and a list of bills to pay. 845 00:50:02,610 --> 00:50:04,620 And then they had to pay the bills. 846 00:50:04,620 --> 00:50:07,680 And then they threw extras at them, 847 00:50:07,680 --> 00:50:13,830 like new shoes or random field trip expenses. 848 00:50:13,830 --> 00:50:17,570 And I'm trying to scroll down here. 849 00:50:17,570 --> 00:50:21,420 And then they looked at what was left, 850 00:50:21,420 --> 00:50:25,490 and decided how much to donate to the church. 851 00:50:25,490 --> 00:50:27,320 And Erin said she was very impressed when 852 00:50:27,320 --> 00:50:30,710 the students decided amongst themselves to also donate 853 00:50:30,710 --> 00:50:33,250 to the grocery store they had set up to buy food 854 00:50:33,250 --> 00:50:36,620 for the church food pantry, and they did that 855 00:50:36,620 --> 00:50:38,790 during the canvas. 856 00:50:38,790 --> 00:50:43,250 What a great way to model stewardship. 857 00:50:43,250 --> 00:50:45,070 Yeah, that's wonderful. 858 00:50:45,070 --> 00:50:46,800 It's a great story. 859 00:50:46,800 --> 00:50:48,760 Gail Forsyth-vail: That's fabulous. 860 00:50:48,760 --> 00:50:53,150 I think in some ways that kind of story and also the money map 861 00:50:53,150 --> 00:50:56,360 actually teaches agency. 862 00:50:56,360 --> 00:50:59,520 It teaches kids that there are choices to be made 863 00:50:59,520 --> 00:51:07,900 and that you have agency in how you decide. 864 00:51:07,900 --> 00:51:10,740 No matter what your actual income is, 865 00:51:10,740 --> 00:51:14,400 there's choices to be made along the way. 866 00:51:14,400 --> 00:51:17,980 And those choices have moral and ethical and spiritual 867 00:51:17,980 --> 00:51:21,890 implications. 868 00:51:21,890 --> 00:51:24,000 Elizabeth Terry: Pat made a comment 869 00:51:24,000 --> 00:51:26,100 about the water communion. 870 00:51:26,100 --> 00:51:28,970 And I have to say that some congregations have decided 871 00:51:28,970 --> 00:51:32,700 not to do that anymore because it does bring up a lot of class 872 00:51:32,700 --> 00:51:36,470 issues and people feeling shame because they didn't get outside 873 00:51:36,470 --> 00:51:38,890 of their backyards in the summertime, 874 00:51:38,890 --> 00:51:41,730 and somebody else is bringing in water from the River Ganges. 875 00:51:41,730 --> 00:51:44,210 So it's like some congregations have decided, 876 00:51:44,210 --> 00:51:47,770 and ours is one, to not do the water communion because it's 877 00:51:47,770 --> 00:51:51,980 kind of like potentially shaming or explosive 878 00:51:51,980 --> 00:51:54,560 or just like strange. 879 00:51:54,560 --> 00:52:03,180 And it can be done in really healing and respectful ways, 880 00:52:03,180 --> 00:52:07,110 but that takes like effort and thought and kindness 881 00:52:07,110 --> 00:52:10,150 and thoroughness. 882 00:52:10,150 --> 00:52:13,880 Pat Kahn: Well, Gail and I both serve on the WorshipWeb 883 00:52:13,880 --> 00:52:14,940 Editorial team. 884 00:52:14,940 --> 00:52:17,830 I guess, maybe we shouldn't even say that out loud. 885 00:52:17,830 --> 00:52:25,340 But we do.0 we've seen a lot more people 886 00:52:25,340 --> 00:52:28,650 being very intentional about trying 887 00:52:28,650 --> 00:52:32,040 to change that aspect of water communion 888 00:52:32,040 --> 00:52:36,950 and to bring out other things. 889 00:52:36,950 --> 00:52:41,790 So I'm heartened to see that people are actually being 890 00:52:41,790 --> 00:52:43,672 very intentional about that. 891 00:52:43,672 --> 00:52:44,630 Elizabeth Terry: Right. 892 00:52:44,630 --> 00:52:49,730 Gail Forsyth-vail: Fabulous. 893 00:52:49,730 --> 00:52:51,980 Other questions or thoughts, or should we 894 00:52:51,980 --> 00:52:55,730 move to our closing words, do you think? 895 00:52:55,730 --> 00:52:58,760 People ready for that? 896 00:52:58,760 --> 00:53:07,390 And I think, Pat, you are on for those, right, Pat Infante? 897 00:53:07,390 --> 00:53:11,920 Pat Infante: I will be happy to do that. 898 00:53:11,920 --> 00:53:15,100 The closing words come from George Brooks 899 00:53:15,100 --> 00:53:20,290 from our Worship Web, a fabulous online resource. 900 00:53:20,290 --> 00:53:26,680 "May the love that gives to life its beauty, the reverence that 901 00:53:26,680 --> 00:53:30,280 gives to life it's sacredness, and the purposes 902 00:53:30,280 --> 00:53:33,450 that give to live its deep significance 903 00:53:33,450 --> 00:53:36,680 be strong within each of us and lead us 904 00:53:36,680 --> 00:53:39,410 into ever deepening relationships 905 00:53:39,410 --> 00:53:44,620 with all of life." 906 00:53:44,620 --> 00:53:47,350 Pat Kahn: May it be so. 907 00:53:47,350 --> 00:53:51,780 We are very glad that you all came on board with us tonight, 908 00:53:51,780 --> 00:53:54,920 and we have some upcoming webinars. 909 00:53:54,920 --> 00:53:58,200 In next month, in December, we'll 910 00:53:58,200 --> 00:54:00,330 have Meet the International Office. 911 00:54:00,330 --> 00:54:02,540 This is the beginning of a new series 912 00:54:02,540 --> 00:54:04,990 that we'll do periodically throughout the year 913 00:54:04,990 --> 00:54:07,690 of introducing religious educators 914 00:54:07,690 --> 00:54:13,420 to the work of various other offices in the UUA. 915 00:54:13,420 --> 00:54:15,410 Jessica York and Eric Cherry, who's 916 00:54:15,410 --> 00:54:17,440 the Director of the International Office, 917 00:54:17,440 --> 00:54:21,160 will share some of the stories their experiences 918 00:54:21,160 --> 00:54:23,260 at the Parliament of the World's Religions 919 00:54:23,260 --> 00:54:27,040 that they both attended, along with many other UUs in Salt 920 00:54:27,040 --> 00:54:30,570 Lake City in October, and they'll talk about other work 921 00:54:30,570 --> 00:54:32,930 that the International Office is doing so. 922 00:54:32,930 --> 00:54:38,170 And then in January, we will talk about OWL Facilitators 923 00:54:38,170 --> 00:54:44,790 and Faith Development, and this will share a lot of stories 924 00:54:44,790 --> 00:54:48,430 from people who have been facilitating 925 00:54:48,430 --> 00:54:50,040 OWL in congregations, and that'll 926 00:54:50,040 --> 00:54:55,730 be hosted by Dr. Melanie Davis, Gail's and my colleague 927 00:54:55,730 --> 00:54:57,960 in the Faith Development Office. 928 00:54:57,960 --> 00:55:01,860 And I'll give you a little sneak preview for February 929 00:55:01,860 --> 00:55:04,060 because I'm really excited about that. 930 00:55:04,060 --> 00:55:11,020 In February, we are starting the conversation on race. 931 00:55:11,020 --> 00:55:14,560 And it will be with Elizabeth Nguyen from the Youth and Young 932 00:55:14,560 --> 00:55:19,890 Adult Office along with several religious educators, some 933 00:55:19,890 --> 00:55:24,380 of whom will share their stories that the things that worked 934 00:55:24,380 --> 00:55:27,096 well, and we even have somebody who's, 935 00:55:27,096 --> 00:55:28,470 I think, going to be brave enough 936 00:55:28,470 --> 00:55:32,250 to share a story that we can learn from, 937 00:55:32,250 --> 00:55:34,130 that maybe didn't go so well. 938 00:55:34,130 --> 00:55:37,460 So I'm very excited about that coming up. 939 00:55:37,460 --> 00:55:40,720 Both the December and January webinars, 940 00:55:40,720 --> 00:55:43,080 the registration links are up, so you can already 941 00:55:43,080 --> 00:55:45,510 sign up for those. 942 00:55:45,510 --> 00:55:48,450 And, once again, thank you for coming. 943 00:55:48,450 --> 00:55:52,560 And the webinar and the PowerPoint 944 00:55:52,560 --> 00:55:58,780 slides, the list of links, and now also transcripts 945 00:55:58,780 --> 00:56:03,574 will all be posted online at the URL that you see on the screen 946 00:56:03,574 --> 00:56:05,490 right now and that we've put into the chat box 947 00:56:05,490 --> 00:56:06,730 a couple times. 948 00:56:06,730 --> 00:56:10,350 So thank you again to our presenters, Gail 949 00:56:10,350 --> 00:56:13,185 and Pat and Elizabeth. 950 00:56:13,185 --> 00:56:15,850 And thank you Alicia in the background there. 951 00:56:15,850 --> 00:56:17,850 Even though we've had technical difficulties 952 00:56:17,850 --> 00:56:20,050 tonight, all went well. 953 00:56:20,050 --> 00:56:26,770 And we thank you all for coming. 954 00:56:26,770 --> 00:56:28,320 Elizabeth Terry: Good night, all.