1 00:00:15,957 --> 00:00:24,217 >> Hey, friends. Hi. All right. So what I want us to do 2 00:00:24,219 --> 00:00:27,461 again, if you could just hold up your delegate cards. We want 3 00:00:27,462 --> 00:00:30,466 you to move as close to the center as possible. I can scan 4 00:00:30,467 --> 00:00:34,726 pretty well right now. The rest of the tri-mod will help me do 5 00:00:34,728 --> 00:00:37,981 that. If you see you're kind of over there, if there's empty 6 00:00:37,983 --> 00:00:40,713 seats, you can move in. That would be great. While we're on 7 00:00:40,715 --> 00:00:43,967 this, it's really hard to replace our delegate credentials 8 00:00:44,469 --> 00:00:47,471 . You can put your cards back down. So a member of the 9 00:00:47,472 --> 00:00:51,465 delegation from our congregation at shelter rock has lost their 10 00:00:51,466 --> 00:00:53,720 voting card. 11 00:00:56,725 --> 00:00:59,229 If you are you are a member of this delegation and would like 12 00:00:59,229 --> 00:01:03,720 this voting card, come up to the stage and get that. 13 00:01:09,980 --> 00:01:13,738 We're going to go ahead with our conversation. All right? 14 00:01:17,974 --> 00:01:19,976 Now we're going to discuss our statement of conscience. This 15 00:01:19,978 --> 00:01:22,984 is the end of a four-year process. You should have that 16 00:01:22,985 --> 00:01:25,490 on a little pink sheet that they gave you at the door. If you 17 00:01:25,492 --> 00:01:28,974 do not have that pink sheet, you can go to the back right now, 18 00:01:28,975 --> 00:01:33,231 although you probably have a friend right next to you. And 19 00:01:33,233 --> 00:01:38,972 you can ask to read that if you need to. And so at this time, 20 00:01:38,974 --> 00:01:43,479 I'm going to invite the Chair of the commission on social 21 00:01:43,480 --> 00:01:46,738 witness to make the appropriate motion. 22 00:01:59,238 --> 00:02:04,978 >> Thank you, Mr. Moderator. Based on the results of the 23 00:02:04,979 --> 00:02:09,988 congregational poll that was done in February, the commission 24 00:02:09,988 --> 00:02:14,478 on social witness moves to adopt the statement of 25 00:02:14,479 --> 00:02:19,484 conscience on escalating inequality as revised and 26 00:02:19,485 --> 00:02:22,489 distributed this morning in the CSW alert. 27 00:02:22,491 --> 00:02:27,729 >> I second. >> moved and seconded. We can 28 00:02:27,730 --> 00:02:29,984 have some discussion. 29 00:02:33,743 --> 00:02:38,478 I need 15 minutes on the clock, and actually, for this 30 00:02:38,479 --> 00:02:41,737 particular type of discussion we need 30 minutes on the clock if 31 00:02:41,738 --> 00:02:47,498 we need that much time. >> 15 minutes. Okay. There we 32 00:02:47,500 --> 00:02:50,229 go. We have that up. 33 00:02:55,485 --> 00:02:58,241 Is there any discussion? I'm not going to force this, but I'm 34 00:02:58,242 --> 00:03:01,247 going to give you some time. 35 00:03:12,497 --> 00:03:15,228 Some movement in the hall. Some folks at the procedural 36 00:03:15,229 --> 00:03:21,739 mic. They're still consulting. So I'm going to recognize the 37 00:03:21,741 --> 00:03:29,485 speaker at the con microphone. >> Hi. I'm Nancy Shrofnagle 38 00:03:29,487 --> 00:03:34,244 from Madison, Wisconsin. There's two issues that I feel 39 00:03:34,246 --> 00:03:39,229 are necessary to be considered also in this statement of 40 00:03:42,235 --> 00:03:48,248 conscience. One is I feel that we need to request and promote 41 00:03:48,250 --> 00:03:53,480 individual spiritual work on white supremacy for the -- for 42 00:03:53,481 --> 00:03:56,988 this type of work to be effective, and secondly, I think 43 00:03:57,238 --> 00:04:04,733 we need to request of others specifically the 1%, for their 44 00:04:04,734 --> 00:04:07,738 identities, work, and financial help in creating a more 45 00:04:07,738 --> 00:04:14,478 equitable society and world. >> Thank you. I recognize the 46 00:04:14,479 --> 00:04:20,238 delegate at the procedural mic. >> I have a point of order. My 47 00:04:20,238 --> 00:04:23,997 name is Teresa Wilmot from the congregation of the Unitarian 48 00:04:23,997 --> 00:04:29,233 Universalist church of Rockford. There are two terms in here 49 00:04:29,234 --> 00:04:34,993 that I don't understand. One of them I heard yesterday. LGBTQ 50 00:04:34,993 --> 00:04:39,230 A-Plus could someone define the additions 51 00:04:44,238 --> 00:04:52,230 end of that? And number 143, time banks. 52 00:04:52,232 --> 00:04:57,489 >> The delegate has a point of information. Would the member 53 00:04:57,491 --> 00:05:04,232 for the commission come to the mic nearest to you? 54 00:05:04,482 --> 00:05:08,738 >> I recognize the commissioner at the amendment mic. 55 00:05:08,738 --> 00:05:14,729 >> Hello. I'm Jafie Christos Rogers, a member of the 56 00:05:14,730 --> 00:05:18,735 commission on social witness. And the term, in the use of the 57 00:05:18,737 --> 00:05:25,997 A, it refers to asexual. So we're talking about a wide range 58 00:05:25,997 --> 00:05:30,746 of places that people set in terms of their sexuality. 59 00:05:30,747 --> 00:05:34,002 >> we also had a question about time banks, if you can? 60 00:05:34,002 --> 00:05:36,002 >> 61 00:05:37,007 --> 00:05:40,738 time banks are community organizations where people can, 62 00:05:40,739 --> 00:05:45,998 basically, barter time and exchange time. So it's an 63 00:05:46,000 --> 00:05:49,503 economic system outside the monetary system that allows 64 00:05:49,505 --> 00:05:53,488 people to exchange their work with one another. 65 00:05:53,488 --> 00:05:55,742 >> And finally, there was a question about the plus line at 66 00:05:55,743 --> 00:06:02,237 the end of LGBTQA+ >> 67 00:06:06,743 --> 00:06:11,753 So there are several -- there are other letters that either 68 00:06:11,755 --> 00:06:18,746 could be added to this range or others that we expect will 69 00:06:18,747 --> 00:06:26,737 emerge, and so that plus refers to that open door in terms of 70 00:06:26,738 --> 00:06:30,993 our growing understanding of sexual orientation and sexual 71 00:06:30,994 --> 00:06:32,496 identity. >> does that answer your 72 00:06:32,497 --> 00:06:34,498 question? >> thank you. 73 00:06:34,500 --> 00:06:36,752 >> we learned something today. Thank you, friends. I recognize 74 00:06:37,502 --> 00:06:41,993 the next delegate at the president you recall mic. 75 00:06:47,252 --> 00:06:49,505 >> I'm zapped I Shaw, member of the Unitarian Universalist 76 00:06:49,506 --> 00:06:55,502 church in Bethesda, Maryland. I participated in my congregation 77 00:06:56,252 --> 00:07:01,762 's comments on the statement, and it was involved in a 78 00:07:01,764 --> 00:07:05,747 Washington, D.C. or area group of congregations and 79 00:07:09,502 --> 00:07:13,259 some said they intended to move or table the statement. Much 80 00:07:13,260 --> 00:07:18,746 to my surprise, I was asked to make that motion myself, so I 81 00:07:18,747 --> 00:07:23,002 rise to do so. And he will give my points. I suspect there's 82 00:07:23,002 --> 00:07:25,006 other reasons they want to table . The statement is fine for 83 00:07:25,006 --> 00:07:29,494 what it is, but my objection is what little not yet. There is a 84 00:07:29,996 --> 00:07:35,003 line in there about listening to prophetic voices 85 00:07:35,005 --> 00:07:38,739 >> We've moved into advocacy and a motion to table is not in 86 00:07:38,741 --> 00:07:41,496 order at this time. If you would like to make a motion to 87 00:07:41,497 --> 00:07:44,752 table after another couple minutes have expired, you can 88 00:07:44,752 --> 00:07:49,009 find how much time we need in order to table on 78 through 89 00:07:49,010 --> 00:07:52,493 through 79 in your program book. A motion to table is not order 90 00:07:52,493 --> 00:07:58,252 at this time. Thank you. I recognize the delegate at the 91 00:07:58,252 --> 00:08:02,489 procedural mic. >> Carolina Crevard Graham, a 92 00:08:02,491 --> 00:08:06,747 delegate from the church of the larger fellow she. Thank you. 93 00:08:09,251 --> 00:08:14,744 I thought I heard we were moving to adopt this as amended and 94 00:08:14,746 --> 00:08:18,251 I'm a little unclear about does that mean without looking at the 95 00:08:18,752 --> 00:08:24,515 unincorporated amendments or do we do that after? I'm just not 96 00:08:24,766 --> 00:08:27,746 clear. Are we saying yes to this thing and then we won't be 97 00:08:27,747 --> 00:08:31,251 addressing unincorporated amendments or yes to this thing 98 00:08:31,252 --> 00:08:34,506 and then unincorporated amendments? I'm just not clear. 99 00:08:34,507 --> 00:08:40,496 And maybe I misheard. >> At this time, the motion is 100 00:08:40,497 --> 00:08:43,502 to accept the statement of conscience as amended. If we 101 00:08:43,502 --> 00:08:48,261 need a few moments of conversation, we have about 30, 102 00:08:48,261 --> 00:08:51,497 then we can take some of the amendments. We can either 103 00:08:51,497 --> 00:08:53,497 unincorporated already incorporated amendments. We can 104 00:08:53,751 --> 00:08:56,506 incorporate amendments that were not incorporated that were 105 00:08:56,506 --> 00:08:59,512 made during our mini-assemblies. So right now we're discussing, 106 00:08:59,514 --> 00:09:01,768 as long as we're at the procedural mic, we are not using 107 00:09:02,018 --> 00:09:06,001 the time that we have for discussion. There aren't too 108 00:09:06,002 --> 00:09:08,503 many folks that want to discuss this, so we'll get to that. 109 00:09:08,505 --> 00:09:13,011 >> all right. >> there's no delegate at the 110 00:09:13,011 --> 00:09:15,747 off-site procedural microphone any longer. There's some 111 00:09:15,747 --> 00:09:18,002 consultation at this procedural microphone. I registration okay 112 00:09:18,252 --> 00:09:20,256 knees the delegate at the the -- I recognize the delegate 113 00:09:23,511 --> 00:09:27,746 at the con mic. I recognize the delegate at the pro mic. 114 00:09:27,747 --> 00:09:33,257 >> I'm a teller. I'm reading from an off-site delegate. My 115 00:09:33,259 --> 00:09:38,015 name is Jess Culenon and I represent the Unitarian church 116 00:09:38,016 --> 00:09:41,751 of Los Alamos, New Mexico. I joyfully support this at the 117 00:09:41,752 --> 00:09:44,257 same time of conscience as it has been amended by the mini 118 00:09:44,259 --> 00:09:47,511 assembly. The off-site delegates work through the 119 00:09:47,512 --> 00:09:50,994 rather cumbersome chat room format and somehow manage to 120 00:09:50,996 --> 00:09:54,002 have a thoughtful, thorough discussion on almost every line 121 00:09:54,002 --> 00:09:59,260 of this statement. Our online moderators and tech support were 122 00:09:59,261 --> 00:10:03,246 invaluable. Online, we reach consensus on a number of 123 00:10:03,247 --> 00:10:05,750 substantive additions to the document, including language 124 00:10:05,751 --> 00:10:09,255 regarding economic challenges faced by women 125 00:10:12,761 --> 00:10:16,497 , a police to advocate for workplace protection and staff 126 00:10:16,498 --> 00:10:22,006 that fully include LGBTQ I A-plus persons. Lifting up 127 00:10:22,007 --> 00:10:26,014 language on prison reform, immigration reform, supporting 128 00:10:26,015 --> 00:10:29,752 those with disabilities, and expressing the need for paid 129 00:10:29,753 --> 00:10:32,757 lick leave, universal healthcare, paid family leave, 130 00:10:32,759 --> 00:10:38,018 and economic support for caregivers. I am so proud to 131 00:10:38,019 --> 00:10:40,997 have been part of the process to shape this document into a 132 00:10:40,998 --> 00:10:47,511 statement that I believe will serve our association well as a 133 00:10:47,512 --> 00:10:49,264 guide to dismapped link systems of economic I know he can quit 134 00:10:49,265 --> 00:10:53,250 any every level of our society. May we do this work with the 135 00:10:53,251 --> 00:10:56,255 same joy, compassion, and collaboration that I saw from my 136 00:10:56,505 --> 00:11:00,761 fellow online delegates. Thank you. 137 00:11:01,512 --> 00:11:04,747 [Applause] >> I recognize the delegate at 138 00:11:04,748 --> 00:11:10,007 the procedural mic. >> I'm bigman Crafton dawn, 139 00:11:10,009 --> 00:11:14,243 delegate for north woods UU from the Houston, Texas, area. And 140 00:11:14,244 --> 00:11:16,997 speaking as someone who is a delegate in the mini-assembly 141 00:11:16,998 --> 00:11:22,005 and also is in conversation with often site delegates, I have to 142 00:11:22,006 --> 00:11:25,011 respectfully contradict the gentleman at the pro mic. They 143 00:11:25,011 --> 00:11:30,753 did not feel like there was a good discussion and he was 144 00:11:30,755 --> 00:11:34,511 specifically to ask someone in the mini-assembly and was unable 145 00:11:34,761 --> 00:11:37,015 to find out at the time what input was from off-site 146 00:11:37,016 --> 00:11:41,497 delegates, as well as people in the other sections that were 147 00:11:41,498 --> 00:11:45,005 going on during the mini assembly. If any of the 148 00:11:45,006 --> 00:11:47,006 incorporated or unincorporated amendments 149 00:11:51,247 --> 00:11:56,506 came from off-site delegates and if discussion that managed 150 00:11:56,507 --> 00:12:00,765 to happen from off-site delegates was considered by the 151 00:12:00,766 --> 00:12:04,497 Committee when determineing this document. 152 00:12:04,497 --> 00:12:09,757 >> Right. Will the commissioner please come to the microphone 153 00:12:09,759 --> 00:12:12,262 to answer that question? I recognize the commissioner at 154 00:12:12,264 --> 00:12:14,496 the pro mic. >> This is Susan Goekler. Yes, 155 00:12:14,497 --> 00:12:18,502 all of the amendments that were submitted by off-site delegates 156 00:12:18,502 --> 00:12:24,265 were given to us in writing when we met. We considered those, 157 00:12:24,265 --> 00:12:26,743 the same extent that we considered those of the people 158 00:12:26,744 --> 00:12:32,756 who were here in person. There are amendments included in this 159 00:12:32,756 --> 00:12:35,761 that were from off-site delegates. There are also 160 00:12:35,762 --> 00:12:38,012 unincorporated amendments that came from off-site delegates. 161 00:12:38,014 --> 00:12:42,001 We did not distinguish whether they came from on-site or 162 00:12:42,002 --> 00:12:47,262 off-site in what we wrote here. >> Thank you. >> thank you. I 163 00:12:47,264 --> 00:12:55,002 recognize the delegate at the procedural mic. >> Nancy Pappa 164 00:12:55,252 --> 00:12:59,509 s from Manchester, Connecticut, Unitarian Universalist society 165 00:12:59,510 --> 00:13:02,994 east. A point of clarification, please please. Online 20, I 166 00:13:02,996 --> 00:13:07,002 think there's a grammatical goof that actually directly changes 167 00:13:07,002 --> 00:13:11,760 the meaning desired. When it says lack of access to 168 00:13:11,761 --> 00:13:15,247 conventional financial institutions and predatory 169 00:13:15,247 --> 00:13:18,255 lending, clearly we don't mean that we're sorry there's such a 170 00:13:18,256 --> 00:13:25,020 poor lack of access to predatory lending. Could we please 171 00:13:25,020 --> 00:13:30,752 remove the and and add a comma. I believe that was what was 172 00:13:30,753 --> 00:13:35,511 intended by the authors. >> a clarifying amendment is in 173 00:13:35,512 --> 00:13:37,762 order at this time. [Laughter] 174 00:13:37,764 --> 00:13:41,750 >> So if we can make the appropriate grammatical changes 175 00:13:41,751 --> 00:13:46,506 to not indicate that we need to have great access to predatory 176 00:13:46,506 --> 00:13:49,011 lending, and we'll put that text back up on the screen when it's 177 00:13:49,511 --> 00:13:54,248 time for that. All right? I recognize the delegate at the 178 00:13:54,250 --> 00:13:56,000 con mic. >> I'm the Reverend Joe 179 00:13:56,001 --> 00:14:00,006 Cleveland. I'm the minister of the UU congregation of Saratoga 180 00:14:00,007 --> 00:14:03,996 springs, New York. I agree with and support the intentionality 181 00:14:03,997 --> 00:14:09,502 behind our mini assembly process and I rise to speak against 182 00:14:09,503 --> 00:14:14,493 lines 15 through 18 as they stand revised. They assign 183 00:14:14,494 --> 00:14:17,501 blame for inequity to, quote/unquote, those people, and 184 00:14:18,505 --> 00:14:21,760 effectively disavow our complicity in these systems. If 185 00:14:22,011 --> 00:14:26,746 it had said, we who own and control, who take for ourselves, 186 00:14:26,747 --> 00:14:31,503 and talked about, quote/unquote , these actions rather than 187 00:14:31,505 --> 00:14:33,760 their actions, I would not be rising to speak against. 188 00:14:34,511 --> 00:14:36,765 [Applause] >> 189 00:14:41,000 --> 00:14:45,257 Seeing no delegates in the off-site cue or at the pro mic, 190 00:14:45,259 --> 00:14:48,270 I take the next delegate at the con mic. 191 00:14:48,516 --> 00:14:51,997 >> My name is Karen Griffin. I'm a member of the Venice, 192 00:14:51,998 --> 00:14:58,012 Florida, church. My biggest concern about this statement is 193 00:14:58,014 --> 00:15:01,770 that there is nothing in here where our congregations are 194 00:15:01,771 --> 00:15:06,001 looking inward and acknowledging that there are people in our 195 00:15:06,002 --> 00:15:11,511 congregations that are affected by economic inequity and that 196 00:15:11,511 --> 00:15:19,507 there is nothing in here that supports okay congregants that 197 00:15:19,509 --> 00:15:24,518 suffer from this. It is all outward looking and I feel we 198 00:15:24,519 --> 00:15:29,252 have a lot of work to do within our congregations to support our 199 00:15:31,003 --> 00:15:35,762 own members, and so that is my biggest concern about this 200 00:15:35,764 --> 00:15:44,768 statement. Thank you. >> I recognize the delegate at the 201 00:15:44,769 --> 00:15:48,027 pro mic. >> I'm Marta Pearson from the 202 00:15:48,028 --> 00:15:55,261 Unitarian Universalist church of Tampa, Florida. My concern is 203 00:15:55,262 --> 00:16:01,025 that without passage of this, we tend to debate this forever. 204 00:16:01,275 --> 00:16:04,259 It will never be perfect. It will never satisfy everyone, but 205 00:16:04,510 --> 00:16:10,770 it addresses most of the issues that I find, and in response to 206 00:16:11,521 --> 00:16:14,507 the gentleman who says that this is outward 207 00:16:17,762 --> 00:16:20,515 , it says those people, but those people could be us as 208 00:16:20,516 --> 00:16:24,273 well. It doesn't exclude us. It just talks about the people 209 00:16:24,274 --> 00:16:28,007 who do these things. I hope that this will pass. 210 00:16:28,259 --> 00:16:30,259 [Applause] 211 00:16:32,016 --> 00:16:34,771 >> I recognize the delegate at the con mic. 212 00:16:35,023 --> 00:16:41,509 >> my name is Julio Torez. I'm a summer minister/student 213 00:16:41,510 --> 00:16:44,261 minister at the community church at New York Unitarian 214 00:16:44,261 --> 00:16:46,769 Universalist. As a member of the Newport people's campaign 215 00:16:46,770 --> 00:16:49,525 and Iraq Veterans against war, as much as I love this statement 216 00:16:50,025 --> 00:16:54,511 of conscience, I feel that it does not act national Martin 217 00:16:54,512 --> 00:16:58,768 Luther King's analysis on the racism, militarism, and poverty. 218 00:16:58,769 --> 00:17:02,256 It leaves a lot of militarism out of the loop. The militarism 219 00:17:02,756 --> 00:17:05,761 , military industrial complex includes, for example, little 220 00:17:05,762 --> 00:17:09,016 federal discretionary budget and Imperial policies of this 221 00:17:09,018 --> 00:17:13,025 government, foreign and locally, with regards to the wars 222 00:17:13,027 --> 00:17:16,509 abroad, the national issue with the budget, divesting from 223 00:17:16,510 --> 00:17:20,016 social programs, as well as the issue with police brutality, ice 224 00:17:20,266 --> 00:17:23,770 , and so much of the police have either rifles or Armored 225 00:17:23,770 --> 00:17:30,011 personnel carrier vehicles from the military. And I could talk 226 00:17:30,013 --> 00:17:33,015 for hours and barely scratch the surface, but I would ask that 227 00:17:33,016 --> 00:17:35,522 if not this particular statement of social witness, in the 228 00:17:35,523 --> 00:17:40,259 future, that this statement of social conscience could address 229 00:17:40,260 --> 00:17:45,519 the issues of militarism as so much resources are divested from 230 00:17:45,520 --> 00:17:47,520 the poor and the oppressed 231 00:17:49,525 --> 00:17:52,260 . And it drastically intersections with an escalating 232 00:17:53,261 --> 00:17:58,770 inequalities, whether economic or not. Yes, at the very 233 00:17:58,770 --> 00:18:03,509 minimum, as a denomination, as a religion, as a faith tradition, 234 00:18:03,510 --> 00:18:07,266 we need to divest from this war economy and all the deaths that 235 00:18:07,268 --> 00:18:12,024 are occurring because of the Colonial imperial issues that 236 00:18:12,024 --> 00:18:15,509 unfortunately our Department of Defense not living up to their 237 00:18:15,510 --> 00:18:16,761 creed of defending this country or the lives of people around 238 00:18:16,763 --> 00:18:18,763 the world. Thank you. [Applause] 239 00:18:27,509 --> 00:18:32,016 Seeing no delegates in the off-site cue or at the pro mic, 240 00:18:32,018 --> 00:18:34,272 I recognize the next delegate at the con mic. 241 00:18:34,273 --> 00:18:41,011 >> I'm metric Giles from St. Paul, the unity church. With 242 00:18:41,013 --> 00:18:46,523 this document, it's very inconsistent to the 243 00:18:46,524 --> 00:18:53,260 conversations, to 20 years that are moving from racism, the 244 00:18:53,261 --> 00:18:55,763 pictures that that -- the most consistent word I have heard 245 00:18:55,764 --> 00:19:01,774 throughout this conference is white supremacy, yet we have not 246 00:19:01,775 --> 00:19:07,516 been able to put it in documentation. So this 247 00:19:07,518 --> 00:19:09,518 documentation is 248 00:19:14,511 --> 00:19:16,013 other than consistent, not complimentary to anything we 249 00:19:16,014 --> 00:19:18,014 have talked about. [Applause] 250 00:19:26,513 --> 00:19:30,519 And I'm conferring with my can he-mod, my tri-mod tri-mod. 251 00:19:30,770 --> 00:19:32,772 There is white supremacy mentioned he wants we're looking 252 00:19:32,773 --> 00:19:36,781 for it. If somebody else finds it before we -- it's in line 33 253 00:19:36,782 --> 00:19:41,515 I'm hearing from the floor. So it's in line 33. You are 254 00:19:41,516 --> 00:19:45,523 allowed to speak against, even if sometimes you don't know all 255 00:19:45,524 --> 00:19:49,279 the information in the document. So that's a fact that I 256 00:19:49,279 --> 00:19:52,014 acknowledge -- the fact that I acknowledge you does note mean 257 00:19:52,015 --> 00:19:56,020 that anything is coming out is truthful or not truthful or 258 00:19:56,022 --> 00:19:58,524 intended in a certain sort of way. Seeing no other delegates 259 00:19:58,524 --> 00:20:02,763 in the cue, I recognize the next speaker at the con mic. 260 00:20:05,768 --> 00:20:07,520 . >> I'm Carolina Graham, from 261 00:20:07,520 --> 00:20:11,278 church of the larger fellowship fellowship. I would urge the 262 00:20:11,279 --> 00:20:14,260 General Assembly to vote this down. While I see vast 263 00:20:14,261 --> 00:20:18,015 improvement and I hear vast improvement, it is far from 264 00:20:18,016 --> 00:20:22,774 enough. I think the previous speaker captured it well. While 265 00:20:23,024 --> 00:20:25,779 the term white supremacy is used once or twice, it is not 266 00:20:25,779 --> 00:20:28,765 used in the very beginning of the document. Maybe the 17 267 00:20:28,766 --> 00:20:32,773 times it ought be used. I'm also deeply concerned about the 268 00:20:32,774 --> 00:20:35,277 process I heard about. I want to speak on behalf of some of my 269 00:20:35,778 --> 00:20:39,511 colleagues who are off-site. A very, very wise person who is 270 00:20:39,513 --> 00:20:43,520 now co-chair of the journey toward wholeness transformation 271 00:20:43,520 --> 00:20:46,774 committee once said to me, it matters how we enter that space. 272 00:20:46,775 --> 00:20:51,261 If this is what came out of, quite frankly, the Malay that 273 00:20:51,261 --> 00:20:54,519 was the discussion in the off-site delegate group, I am 274 00:20:54,520 --> 00:20:58,777 concerned, even if I think it's great, I'm concerned that this 275 00:20:58,778 --> 00:21:03,013 is something out of a process that is not really all that 276 00:21:03,014 --> 00:21:05,768 great great. So I urge the General Assembly to vote this 277 00:21:05,769 --> 00:21:10,272 down. It is not good enough, and if this is the best we can 278 00:21:10,273 --> 00:21:12,777 do, I don't know what I'm doing here. Thank you. 279 00:21:14,261 --> 00:21:18,015 >> Thank you I recognize the delegate at the pro mic. 280 00:21:18,015 --> 00:21:24,025 >> Sally Gellert, central Unitarian from Paramus, New 281 00:21:24,027 --> 00:21:27,011 Jersey Jersey. I'm speaking in favor of this resolution. I 282 00:21:27,011 --> 00:21:32,520 came here today thinking I would probably be voting against the 283 00:21:32,520 --> 00:21:37,279 resolution, because what I saw originally I felt was too weak. 284 00:21:37,281 --> 00:21:43,020 I think the substantial amendments have helped us 285 00:21:43,020 --> 00:21:49,779 substantially and it is now still not perfect, but good 286 00:21:49,781 --> 00:21:56,270 enough, and if we fast now, we've got time to have it out 287 00:21:56,270 --> 00:22:00,025 for a period of time before the 2018 election, and I think 288 00:22:00,027 --> 00:22:05,520 that's particularly important. I do have a couple of more 289 00:22:05,520 --> 00:22:07,774 suggestions. I'll be at the amendment mic later. Thank you 290 00:22:07,774 --> 00:22:09,277 you. >> Thank you. I recognize the 291 00:22:09,278 --> 00:22:12,533 delegate at the off-site procedural mic. Do we have the 292 00:22:12,534 --> 00:22:16,518 appropriate teller for an often site? Thank you. 293 00:22:19,524 --> 00:22:22,528 >> Jess Coleman from Unitarian church of Los Alamos in Los 294 00:22:22,529 --> 00:22:25,532 Alamos, New Mexico, asks, it is my understanding that once there 295 00:22:25,533 --> 00:22:29,270 is no balance between the pro and con mics, the debate ends 296 00:22:29,272 --> 00:22:35,029 and we vote. Why are we hearing so many con statements in a 297 00:22:35,029 --> 00:22:38,034 row? >> It is our process that we 298 00:22:38,036 --> 00:22:41,770 have a lot up to 30 minutes if we need that much time for a 299 00:22:41,770 --> 00:22:47,533 statement of conscience. I recognize the delegate at the 300 00:22:47,533 --> 00:22:50,514 procedural mic. >> that's not my question. In 301 00:22:50,515 --> 00:22:56,023 the past, we haven't -- I'm Steve [Indiscernible] from the 302 00:22:56,024 --> 00:22:59,529 Unitarian Universalist church of Greensboro. In the past we've 303 00:22:59,529 --> 00:23:02,036 made a point of not just extending all the time because 304 00:23:02,037 --> 00:23:06,020 we had it. If there was enough discussion going on, then we 305 00:23:06,020 --> 00:23:09,525 continued, and that makes sense. What we're doing here is 306 00:23:09,527 --> 00:23:16,516 having one of the microphone spend most of the time stating 307 00:23:16,518 --> 00:23:21,024 cons and nobody at the pro microphone. It seems to me like 308 00:23:21,274 --> 00:23:25,782 the discussion has received a pointed where we could call a 309 00:23:25,783 --> 00:23:28,520 question. >> We can't call the question 310 00:23:28,520 --> 00:23:31,023 just now, but we could start doing an amendment. 311 00:23:31,024 --> 00:23:37,534 >> Well, but in the past, again, when we only had -- we didn't 312 00:23:37,536 --> 00:23:40,268 have anybody at one mic, we ended discussion and I wonder 313 00:23:40,269 --> 00:23:42,770 why we're not doing that now. >> I hear the question, and I'm 314 00:23:42,772 --> 00:23:45,778 going to consult with the rest of the tri-mod. I'll take the 315 00:23:45,779 --> 00:23:48,033 next speaker at the procedural mic. 316 00:23:48,283 --> 00:23:54,528 >> Heather Malar, Annapolis, Maryland, UU church. Online 16, 317 00:23:54,778 --> 00:24:02,769 if we take out the Word those, is that a similar kinds of 318 00:24:02,770 --> 00:24:09,779 editorial adjust adjustment like we are going to do in line 20? 319 00:24:09,779 --> 00:24:14,768 >> can you restate the question? 320 00:24:14,769 --> 00:24:19,025 >> In line 16, if we take out the Word those, is that an 321 00:24:19,027 --> 00:24:25,287 editorial kind of change like we agreed we are going to do in 322 00:24:25,287 --> 00:24:27,520 line 20? >> it's my ruling that that 323 00:24:27,522 --> 00:24:30,525 would be a substantive change, so we should wait until it's 324 00:24:30,527 --> 00:24:32,781 time to make an amendment. If you want to make the appropriate 325 00:24:33,533 --> 00:24:36,784 amendment, just go over to the amendment table. I recognize 326 00:24:36,786 --> 00:24:39,269 the next weeker at the procedural mic. 327 00:24:39,270 --> 00:24:43,525 >> Thank you, can he Moderator. Gene Bergman, president of the 328 00:24:43,527 --> 00:24:46,029 first Unitarian Universalist society of Burlington, Vermont. 329 00:24:46,029 --> 00:24:53,772 And I need your attention on this. Thank you. And that is 330 00:24:53,773 --> 00:25:00,784 what is the effect of a no vote on this? What happens to it if 331 00:25:00,786 --> 00:25:04,022 the General Assembly votes no on the statement of conscience? 332 00:25:04,023 --> 00:25:06,779 >> you have two options with our statement of conscience. You 333 00:25:06,781 --> 00:25:09,281 can send it back to the commission on social witness for 334 00:25:09,532 --> 00:25:13,537 another year if you'd like or we can vote it down and then we 335 00:25:13,538 --> 00:25:18,274 don't -- we have not approved a statement of conscience. We 336 00:25:18,275 --> 00:25:20,277 don't have a statement of conscience. It doesn't mean we 337 00:25:20,278 --> 00:25:22,278 necessarily 338 00:25:23,786 --> 00:25:25,537 haven't taken a distance on income inequality. 339 00:25:25,538 --> 00:25:30,524 >> I have to ask a clarifying question on how would that 340 00:25:30,525 --> 00:25:37,286 choice with presented to the General Assembly. Is it in the 341 00:25:37,287 --> 00:25:46,779 motion to vote know? You have it before you. 342 00:25:49,283 --> 00:25:53,023 How will the moderators present yes, no, and this seems to be a 343 00:25:53,024 --> 00:25:56,027 third alternative? >> our bylaws mandate, in order 344 00:25:56,028 --> 00:25:58,278 to pass a statement of conscience, we must have a 345 00:25:58,279 --> 00:26:01,533 two-thirds majority vote of the delegates. If there's not a 346 00:26:01,534 --> 00:26:05,524 two-thirds majority vote, it will fail, and we have not pass 347 00:26:05,524 --> 00:26:07,275 that had statement of conscience. As someone made the 348 00:26:07,277 --> 00:26:10,029 appropriate motion to refer it back to Committee, then we would 349 00:26:10,031 --> 00:26:13,784 vote on that as well. >> so a no vote without a 350 00:26:13,786 --> 00:26:16,522 referral would mean it would die entirely, but a vote -- 351 00:26:16,523 --> 00:26:20,779 >> correct. >> But a motion to refer back 352 00:26:20,781 --> 00:26:23,782 would allow the process to continued? 353 00:26:23,783 --> 00:26:27,270 >> potentially, yes. >> Potentially? Thank you very 354 00:26:27,270 --> 00:26:29,523 much. >> pleasure. I recognize the 355 00:26:29,524 --> 00:26:32,781 next delegate at the procedural mic. 356 00:26:32,782 --> 00:26:40,272 >> I apologize. I was going to defer to the pros and the cons. 357 00:26:40,273 --> 00:26:45,279 My name is Jasmine Walfton, first Unitarian church of 358 00:26:45,281 --> 00:26:51,520 Louisville, Kentucky. I was going to make the motion to 359 00:26:51,520 --> 00:26:53,774 refer when there was no more discussion, because equipment it 360 00:26:53,774 --> 00:26:57,529 to go to vote without the motion being made. But because 361 00:26:57,531 --> 00:27:01,037 there are still people at the pro and con, my preference would 362 00:27:01,037 --> 00:27:05,275 be to hear them talk. >> Okay. Thank you for that. 363 00:27:05,775 --> 00:27:10,283 Just so you know what happens, the procedural mic always takes 364 00:27:10,283 --> 00:27:12,790 president. So if I have someone there, I have to recognize them 365 00:27:13,290 --> 00:27:15,268 , even if there are other people lining up. That's why I did 366 00:27:15,269 --> 00:27:19,524 that. I recognize the next speaker at the procedural mic. 367 00:27:19,525 --> 00:27:26,769 >> Mr. Moderator, my name is Carl [Indiscernible] from the 368 00:27:26,770 --> 00:27:28,522 Unitarian Universalist society of [Indiscernible] Springfield, 369 00:27:28,523 --> 00:27:36,033 and I would like to make the motion to refer this statement 370 00:27:36,033 --> 00:27:40,520 of conscience to further study. >> okay. So a motion to refer 371 00:27:40,522 --> 00:27:44,278 is not in order right now, because we have to have at least 372 00:27:44,528 --> 00:27:48,783 30 minutes of conversation on this. If there's a need for 30 373 00:27:48,784 --> 00:27:52,023 minutes of conversation on this, so when there's no one else at 374 00:27:52,024 --> 00:27:55,278 the pro and con mics or we've reached that 30 minute Mark, you 375 00:27:55,279 --> 00:27:58,033 can do that. I'll also let you know right now, when we're at 376 00:27:58,033 --> 00:28:00,290 the procedural mic, that means that the time for the discussion 377 00:28:00,541 --> 00:28:04,269 is not elapseing. So if we want to have a conversation 378 00:28:04,270 --> 00:28:07,524 about our options, that's fine. I encourage that. But that 379 00:28:07,525 --> 00:28:10,529 means that we also don't get to move ahead in the process, and 380 00:28:10,531 --> 00:28:13,538 it sounds like we want to take some other actions on this issue 381 00:28:13,540 --> 00:28:16,773 issue. Does that answer your question? Thank you. 382 00:28:16,774 --> 00:28:22,283 >> back in 30 minutes. >> I recognize the next delegate 383 00:28:22,783 --> 00:28:26,266 at the procedural mic. >> I guess I should step away. 384 00:28:26,268 --> 00:28:29,274 At what point do we get to talk about amendments? And if I'm 385 00:28:29,274 --> 00:28:32,279 taking up time, preventing us from doing, that I'll walk away 386 00:28:32,279 --> 00:28:34,032 now. >> The delegate rise to his a 387 00:28:34,033 --> 00:28:38,268 point of information. Either when there's no one else in the 388 00:28:38,269 --> 00:28:41,024 cues here or off-site or the 30 minutes have elapsed 389 00:28:47,034 --> 00:28:51,269 . >> Isn't the amendment time 390 00:28:51,270 --> 00:28:54,024 included in that 30 minutes >> No, it's not. 391 00:28:54,025 --> 00:28:56,529 >> my mistake. >> I recognize the next delegate 392 00:28:57,281 --> 00:29:00,283 at the procedural mic. >> Good Morning. My name is 393 00:29:00,283 --> 00:29:06,024 Dave Geloff and I am the co-president of DuPage Unitarian 394 00:29:06,025 --> 00:29:09,282 Universalist church in Naperville, Illinois. I have a 395 00:29:09,283 --> 00:29:12,288 procedural question or even an informational question. I don't 396 00:29:12,290 --> 00:29:19,779 know how you want to put it. But on lines 28 and 29, the 397 00:29:19,781 --> 00:29:25,541 United States is technically still a progressive tax system. 398 00:29:30,527 --> 00:29:35,543 We still have a progressive tax state. Regressive taxes are 399 00:29:35,545 --> 00:29:38,519 what municipalities in our community are having to resort 400 00:29:38,520 --> 00:29:41,024 to. He have a point of information on how the Wording 401 00:29:41,025 --> 00:29:44,529 is being used to 28 and 29. >> could I have a commissioner 402 00:29:44,531 --> 00:29:48,784 come to one of the mics to clarify the intent of the 403 00:29:48,786 --> 00:29:51,770 statement? I recognize the commissioner at the pro mic. 404 00:29:51,770 --> 00:29:57,781 >> when we say tax system, we are not -- we didn't say federal 405 00:29:59,786 --> 00:30:01,786 . 406 00:30:03,020 --> 00:30:06,524 So all of the taxations that are going on in the United States 407 00:30:06,525 --> 00:30:10,783 is part of the tax system. >> does that answer your 408 00:30:10,783 --> 00:30:12,787 question? >> Not really, but I'll leave it 409 00:30:13,037 --> 00:30:15,778 be. >> and I misspoke a little bit 410 00:30:15,779 --> 00:30:18,533 earlier. A motion to refer would be in order at the 15- 411 00:30:18,783 --> 00:30:24,293 minute Mark. We have not reached the 15-minute Mark. I 412 00:30:24,295 --> 00:30:28,529 recognize the off-site delegate at the procedural mic. 413 00:30:28,531 --> 00:30:30,531 >> 414 00:30:33,537 --> 00:30:36,293 this is from Eric liver. , Unitarian Universalist 415 00:30:36,295 --> 00:30:40,278 congregation of rockville in rockville, Maryland. Move to 416 00:30:40,279 --> 00:30:43,282 change the orders of the day and start taking amendments to the 417 00:30:43,283 --> 00:30:46,538 current question, which is a two-thirds vote. 418 00:30:49,793 --> 00:30:52,278 >> I am going to confer with my parliamentarian. All right 419 00:30:52,279 --> 00:30:54,533 right? I'll be right back. 420 00:31:25,296 --> 00:31:29,279 This is not an orders of the day issue. We need to have 15 421 00:31:29,281 --> 00:31:37,295 minutes of conversation before we're able to amend. And a 422 00:31:37,296 --> 00:31:39,779 little bit longer than that if we're ready to vote if we need 423 00:31:39,779 --> 00:31:43,036 that much time. So I'm going to recognize the next delegate. 424 00:31:43,286 --> 00:31:46,291 Do we have a delegate at the procedural mic? There we go. 425 00:31:46,292 --> 00:31:50,778 >> Good Morning. My name is Joanne Rowe from first Unitarian 426 00:31:51,279 --> 00:31:54,284 in Albuquerque. I had a question that may be a 427 00:31:54,286 --> 00:31:56,287 testicular cancer technical question. I note that the word 428 00:31:56,288 --> 00:31:59,541 inequalities has been changed to inequity on most of the lines, 429 00:31:59,542 --> 00:32:04,029 but online eight, it still says economic inequality and I was 430 00:32:04,029 --> 00:32:08,787 wondering if that is a technical error. 431 00:32:11,790 --> 00:32:14,525 >> I recognize the commissioner at the pro mic. 432 00:32:14,527 --> 00:32:20,034 >> yes. It should have been changed and we didn't catch it 433 00:32:20,036 --> 00:32:20,787 there. Thank you. >> thank you it. 434 00:32:20,788 --> 00:32:25,546 >> that can be fixed as a technical fix if the statement 435 00:32:25,547 --> 00:32:28,281 is adopted. >> Thank you. 436 00:32:28,531 --> 00:32:31,533 >> all right. And just a reminder, we need four and a 437 00:32:31,534 --> 00:32:34,538 half minutes of conversation that's not at the procedural 438 00:32:34,540 --> 00:32:38,777 mic. And then we can do some of the things that folks want to 439 00:32:38,778 --> 00:32:43,287 do. [Applause] 440 00:32:43,287 --> 00:32:47,793 >> I recognize the delegate at the procedural mic. 441 00:32:51,028 --> 00:32:55,032 >> I'm Marjorie Carson from [Indiscernible] valley Unitarian 442 00:32:55,033 --> 00:32:59,291 Universalist society in middle bury, Vermont. Point of 443 00:32:59,292 --> 00:33:06,033 clarification. Online 119 where it says by center centering 444 00:33:06,033 --> 00:33:09,788 resourceing and empowering communities who are most 445 00:33:09,790 --> 00:33:13,046 impacted by economic he know equities. I'm not sure what 446 00:33:13,046 --> 00:33:19,784 that means. There's a lot of words that sound kind of 447 00:33:19,786 --> 00:33:22,538 corporate to me and I would like to say someone that says what 448 00:33:22,540 --> 00:33:24,543 that means and there might be a simpler way of saying it. 449 00:33:24,793 --> 00:33:26,793 >> All right. 450 00:33:30,783 --> 00:33:38,777 If I could have a mission * * commissioner say what's intended 451 00:33:39,528 --> 00:33:43,283 in line 119. I recognize the commissioner at the pro mic. 452 00:33:43,283 --> 00:33:47,038 >> hello. I'm so few an Christoff Rogers, member of the 453 00:33:47,040 --> 00:33:53,533 commission on social witness. I can say that we received this. 454 00:33:53,533 --> 00:34:00,045 When we received this, what I understood it to mean was that 455 00:34:00,046 --> 00:34:06,032 we needed to name the fact that the people most impacted by 456 00:34:06,033 --> 00:34:10,288 escalating I know equality and I know he can -- inequality and 457 00:34:10,290 --> 00:34:15,027 equity, that economic inequality and equity, that that 458 00:34:15,028 --> 00:34:22,042 population needs to be at the center of our conversation and 459 00:34:22,042 --> 00:34:24,042 needs to be 460 00:34:25,297 --> 00:34:28,029 -- needs to have a voice that we listen to. 461 00:34:28,782 --> 00:34:30,533 [Applause] >> Does that answer your 462 00:34:30,533 --> 00:34:33,287 question? >> well, it does, and I really 463 00:34:33,288 --> 00:34:35,042 appreciate that clarification clarification, but that's not 464 00:34:35,043 --> 00:34:38,525 what I'm hearing when I read this, and I wanted to call that 465 00:34:38,527 --> 00:34:41,529 to the attention. I am channel ing my late mother-in-law, who 466 00:34:41,531 --> 00:34:49,542 was an English teacher and editor. Also, online 66, our 467 00:34:49,543 --> 00:34:54,533 sources and our faith, a one- word change, would also take 468 00:34:54,533 --> 00:34:59,041 care of a redundancy. I'll let other people think about that. 469 00:34:59,042 --> 00:35:03,779 I do want to echo what someone said, the perfect is the enemy 470 00:35:03,779 --> 00:35:06,783 of the good, I think this is mostly very, very good. 471 00:35:06,783 --> 00:35:11,041 >> all right. Thank you. >> we're going to take a breath. 472 00:35:11,042 --> 00:35:16,279 We've heard a few voices. Let's just breathe in, take a 473 00:35:16,281 --> 00:35:20,537 breath together. Breathe in and breathe back out. Before we 474 00:35:20,538 --> 00:35:23,042 went to the procedural cue, we were about to recognize the 475 00:35:23,042 --> 00:35:28,529 delegate at the con microphone. 476 00:35:28,529 --> 00:35:35,037 >> I'm Cynthia little ton, a member of the UU congregation of 477 00:35:35,287 --> 00:35:42,786 beautiful that talk way county, New York. Sorry. And can we 478 00:35:42,787 --> 00:35:46,294 get the clock running? We're back in discussion. 479 00:35:53,033 --> 00:35:58,791 Cynthia little ton, member of the Littleton UU congregation in 480 00:35:59,541 --> 00:36:02,044 that talk way county, New York. I agree with others who say 481 00:36:02,045 --> 00:36:05,285 this is overall a very good document. For all that it 482 00:36:05,286 --> 00:36:09,792 encompasses, I am surprise that had only online 114 and 15 where 483 00:36:10,042 --> 00:36:14,048 there's a reference to systems of restorative justice. I'm 484 00:36:14,049 --> 00:36:17,286 surprised there is no explicit mention of the need to restore 485 00:36:17,287 --> 00:36:19,790 voting rights for the previously incarcerated, particularly 486 00:36:19,791 --> 00:36:25,299 given the inequity that some can seek legal redress for 487 00:36:25,300 --> 00:36:29,787 restoring voting rights if they can afford to do so and many are 488 00:36:30,287 --> 00:36:33,292 denied long after they have served their debt to society. 489 00:36:33,542 --> 00:36:37,298 So I just wanted to pointed that out as I think an omission, and 490 00:36:37,548 --> 00:36:42,287 then just on a copy editing note, online 33, embedded is 491 00:36:42,288 --> 00:36:48,049 spelled with an E. Thank you. >> So noted on the spelling. I 492 00:36:48,299 --> 00:36:51,531 recognize the delegate at the pro mic. 493 00:36:51,532 --> 00:36:56,537 >> I'm reading for an off-site delegate. The delegate is 494 00:36:56,538 --> 00:37:01,046 Christine Haggard of river road UU congregation, Bethesda, 495 00:37:01,048 --> 00:37:05,036 Maryland. I am an economist who has worked on issues related to 496 00:37:05,037 --> 00:37:09,545 racial and ethnic disparities, poverty, and other issues. I 497 00:37:09,546 --> 00:37:12,303 read and reviewed the previous S OC, participated in the off-site 498 00:37:12,803 --> 00:37:17,535 delegate mini assembly, and have read the revised SOC. I 499 00:37:17,536 --> 00:37:21,541 think the SOC has incorporated most of the relevant amendments. 500 00:37:21,542 --> 00:37:29,285 I support this SOC as amended. >> thank you. And just so you 501 00:37:29,286 --> 00:37:32,541 know, we don't begin the clock until you say your name and your 502 00:37:33,041 --> 00:37:35,795 congregation, so that affects our clock time. I recognize the 503 00:37:36,046 --> 00:37:41,535 delegate at the con mic. >> sandy Shaw from cedar lane 504 00:37:41,536 --> 00:37:45,791 Unitarian Universalist in Bethesda, Maryland, again. My 505 00:37:45,792 --> 00:37:48,799 objection to the document as it now stands is not for what it 506 00:37:48,800 --> 00:37:53,283 says, but what it does not have. There's one line about 507 00:37:53,285 --> 00:37:57,042 listening to prophetic voices, but I believe deeply this is the 508 00:37:57,292 --> 00:38:03,532 vehicle in which we find our own Unitarian Universalist 509 00:38:03,533 --> 00:38:07,288 prophetic voice. Anyone with values that we claim personal 510 00:38:07,290 --> 00:38:10,294 organization is duty-bound to speak out with indignation about 511 00:38:10,795 --> 00:38:14,050 the current situation. I won't read the whole thing, but I'm 512 00:38:14,051 --> 00:38:19,038 the author of unincorporated motion C, the first sentence of 513 00:38:19,040 --> 00:38:25,301 which is the current levels of economic inequity, general on 514 00:38:25,303 --> 00:38:28,786 you wine moral outrage. I don't know why Unitarians can't speak 515 00:38:29,036 --> 00:38:32,041 with language that Reverend barber or Dr. King would 516 00:38:32,042 --> 00:38:36,046 recognize. [Applause] 517 00:38:36,048 --> 00:38:39,532 >> I recognize the off-site delegate at the pro mic. 518 00:38:39,533 --> 00:38:44,542 >> I'm reading for Genevieve O'Malley knight, off-site 519 00:38:44,542 --> 00:38:49,548 delegate from hope Dale UU community, Oxford, Ohio. The 520 00:38:49,549 --> 00:38:53,540 off-site process in the mini-assembly was difficult at 521 00:38:53,541 --> 00:38:55,794 the beginning and smoothed considerably as we practiced and 522 00:38:56,044 --> 00:38:59,048 became familiar with our technology and supported system. 523 00:38:59,049 --> 00:39:01,551 We made miles per hour amendments and see all of them 524 00:39:01,553 --> 00:39:06,037 on the CSW document. I believe I presents the sense of the 525 00:39:06,038 --> 00:39:09,294 off-site chat room when I say we are happy with the results of 526 00:39:09,295 --> 00:39:13,551 our input. I appreciated the work of the CSW with the 527 00:39:13,553 --> 00:39:17,540 incorporated amendments, and I believe we have made a strong 528 00:39:17,541 --> 00:39:20,295 statement. There is much work to do beyond and after this 529 00:39:20,296 --> 00:39:25,054 statement of conscience. I hope we will pass what we have and 530 00:39:25,055 --> 00:39:28,291 continued this good work. >> thank you. 531 00:39:28,791 --> 00:39:32,796 [Applause] >> I recognize the delegate at 532 00:39:32,796 --> 00:39:35,800 the con mic. >> my name is Benjamin Franklin 533 00:39:35,801 --> 00:39:37,801 [Indiscernible] dawn from north woods UU. 534 00:39:38,538 --> 00:39:41,542 And while I deeply appreciate the work that was done on this 535 00:39:41,542 --> 00:39:44,799 document, which I helped participate in and overall 536 00:39:44,800 --> 00:39:49,558 definitely enjoyed the changes, I find it very significant that 537 00:39:49,559 --> 00:39:52,291 white supremacy is placed as an intersectional issue and not 538 00:39:52,292 --> 00:39:57,300 addressing how the entire economic history of the colony 539 00:39:57,301 --> 00:40:00,805 and the United States is based onset her Colonial white 540 00:40:00,805 --> 00:40:05,295 capitalism and as a faith that explicitly repudiated the 541 00:40:05,296 --> 00:40:08,804 doctrine of discovery, which is, in its essence, all about whom 542 00:40:08,805 --> 00:40:14,788 is allowed to own property and materials, it is fundamental to 543 00:40:14,790 --> 00:40:19,296 our economic inequalityies from the roots of our entire history 544 00:40:19,298 --> 00:40:25,558 involving white supremacy and Colonialism and zede herrism, 545 00:40:25,559 --> 00:40:29,046 not an ain't -- settlerrism, not an intersectional issue. Thank 546 00:40:29,048 --> 00:40:32,305 you. [Applause] 547 00:40:32,551 --> 00:40:36,808 >> I recognize the off-site delegate at the pro mic. 548 00:40:37,059 --> 00:40:42,296 >> I'm reading for Katherine Al berte, the UU fellowship of 549 00:40:42,296 --> 00:40:47,555 northern Westchester, mount Cis ko, New York. I am strongly in 550 00:40:47,557 --> 00:40:51,795 favor of passing this SOC as presented. It is strong and 551 00:40:51,796 --> 00:40:55,801 clear. Like anything, one could find ways to improve it, but 552 00:40:55,803 --> 00:41:01,562 this is the time to stand up for our principles and got get 553 00:41:01,563 --> 00:41:04,546 bogged down from locking for perfection. 554 00:41:07,553 --> 00:41:17,546 >> I recognize the delegate at the con mic. >> Gwen 555 00:41:17,548 --> 00:41:19,801 [Indiscernible] Bethesda, Maryland. 556 00:41:19,803 --> 00:41:24,059 >> I am coming to speak con from the participant from themen a 557 00:41:24,060 --> 00:41:30,799 assembly and I worked a great deal I worked with many people 558 00:41:30,800 --> 00:41:32,553 invested in the process on the first portion. I feel that the 559 00:41:32,554 --> 00:41:38,546 statement has a lot of important stuff, but that as Benjamin 560 00:41:38,548 --> 00:41:41,553 before me said, we really haven't gotten the overall 561 00:41:41,554 --> 00:41:43,554 incorporation of the problems of capitalism creating 562 00:41:46,563 --> 00:41:50,071 economic inequality, creating economics, and the ways in which 563 00:41:50,798 --> 00:41:53,550 that connects with white supremacy and connects with the 564 00:41:53,551 --> 00:42:00,310 marginalization of people with disabilities and a lot of other 565 00:42:00,310 --> 00:42:04,299 communities and I just feel like we didn't have a chance as a 566 00:42:04,300 --> 00:42:09,057 mini-assembly to come back together after we divided into 567 00:42:09,058 --> 00:42:13,317 sections, and so some of the overall underlying points that I 568 00:42:13,569 --> 00:42:17,308 think a number of different groups thought about weren't 569 00:42:17,309 --> 00:42:20,063 able to be brought to the top, weren't able to be brought to 570 00:42:20,064 --> 00:42:24,319 the introduction, and really integrated into the whole piece, 571 00:42:24,319 --> 00:42:29,557 and so I would really encourage people that this was not quite 572 00:42:29,558 --> 00:42:31,060 yet the time for the right vote. Thank you. 573 00:42:31,060 --> 00:42:34,819 >> thank you. I recognize the delegate at the procedural mic. 574 00:42:34,821 --> 00:42:39,051 >> Hi. I'm Michael Scott from the first universalist church of 575 00:42:39,553 --> 00:42:44,310 Rochester, New York. Mr. Moderator, I would like to 576 00:42:44,312 --> 00:42:46,814 require whether I am correct in thinking that the only comments 577 00:42:46,816 --> 00:42:51,055 currently in order at the con microphone are from delegates 578 00:42:51,055 --> 00:42:56,563 wishing to argue against the entire motion rather than 579 00:42:56,564 --> 00:43:01,569 arguing against specific points or weaknesses in it. 580 00:43:01,571 --> 00:43:04,560 >> I think it's important for the assembly to hear the issues 581 00:43:04,560 --> 00:43:09,068 that would lead for people disagreeing with the statement 582 00:43:09,069 --> 00:43:13,325 passing. >> I was under the impression 583 00:43:13,326 --> 00:43:16,060 that that would work more effectively once amendments 584 00:43:16,060 --> 00:43:19,817 start to be introduced. Is that not the case? 585 00:43:24,075 --> 00:43:26,075 >> That is correct. 586 00:43:27,310 --> 00:43:31,069 >> Let me note, then, that we could move to amendments others 587 00:43:31,069 --> 00:43:35,828 the people in favor of amendments sat down from the con 588 00:43:35,828 --> 00:43:39,810 microphone. [Applause] 589 00:43:42,818 --> 00:43:47,330 >> Thank you. I recognize the delegate at the pro mic. 590 00:43:47,331 --> 00:43:52,560 >> Good Morning. [Indiscernible] UUCA, Arlington 591 00:43:52,560 --> 00:43:55,816 Virginia. I'm riseing in support of this statement of 592 00:43:55,817 --> 00:43:59,072 conscience. I've reviewed it. Yes, there are certainly some 593 00:43:59,073 --> 00:44:01,825 technical amendments that we've been proposing, but I think 594 00:44:01,826 --> 00:44:06,566 overall I think the committee did a great job. They really 595 00:44:06,567 --> 00:44:09,823 did try to go through a discernment process and I think 596 00:44:09,823 --> 00:44:14,078 did try to take into account the very many diverse viewpoints I 597 00:44:14,080 --> 00:44:19,066 was hearing today. So I think in an uncertain time, I think 598 00:44:19,067 --> 00:44:23,323 with politically our country, and you have just current events 599 00:44:23,573 --> 00:44:26,309 , I think it would be a more powerful statement to pass 600 00:44:26,310 --> 00:44:28,813 something today rather than send it back to Committee or to 601 00:44:28,814 --> 00:44:32,569 actually vote no. The Southern Baptist convention, they had a 602 00:44:32,571 --> 00:44:35,323 very strong statement, historic statement that came out recently 603 00:44:35,575 --> 00:44:38,307 . Thank you to them. And I think we should also fall in 604 00:44:38,308 --> 00:44:42,314 line with our brethren, also. So I strongly vote that we vote 605 00:44:42,314 --> 00:44:46,573 yes. Thank you. [Applause] 606 00:44:46,573 --> 00:44:50,078 >> I recognize it is delegate at the procedural mic. 607 00:44:50,080 --> 00:44:55,569 >> Mr. Moderator, my name is Christy stockman from UUC3 in 608 00:44:55,569 --> 00:44:58,577 Corpus Christi, Texas. I note we are past the 15 minute Mark 609 00:44:58,578 --> 00:45:00,831 and I believe a motion to refer would be in order. Am I correct 610 00:45:02,084 --> 00:45:02,084 ? >> that. 611 00:45:02,084 --> 00:45:07,064 >> I would like to make a motion to refer the statement to the 612 00:45:07,066 --> 00:45:08,818 commission. Is that what I'm saying? 613 00:45:08,819 --> 00:45:12,826 >> yes, it is. >> I would like to make that 614 00:45:12,827 --> 00:45:17,062 motion, please. >> There is a second. All 615 00:45:17,063 --> 00:45:21,822 right. We can debate this. Now we are having discussion on 616 00:45:21,823 --> 00:45:24,825 whether we refer or not. Are there people who wish to speak 617 00:45:24,826 --> 00:45:28,812 to the merits of referring this statement back to the commission 618 00:45:28,813 --> 00:45:34,823 on social witness or against it ? I recognized delegate at the 619 00:45:34,823 --> 00:45:37,076 pro mic. >> my name is the Reverend Jan 620 00:45:37,077 --> 00:45:41,314 Tatio and I serve our congregation in Lawrenceville, 621 00:45:41,314 --> 00:45:45,822 Georgia. I am very much in favor of us having a statement 622 00:45:45,823 --> 00:45:50,809 of conscience on escalating economic inequalities and we 623 00:45:50,810 --> 00:45:55,317 don't have it -- it's not ready yet. We need to do some deeper 624 00:45:55,318 --> 00:46:01,576 work around white supremacy language, around all these etch 625 00:46:01,577 --> 00:46:04,562 eyes coming up and emerging since this was originally 626 00:46:04,563 --> 00:46:07,569 created. I think another year of study and another year of 627 00:46:07,569 --> 00:46:11,075 tweak and go another year of examining how it could be 628 00:46:11,076 --> 00:46:15,060 stronger would do us all well. And 629 00:46:19,819 --> 00:46:22,575 >> Do I have delegates speaking against the motion to refer 630 00:46:22,576 --> 00:46:24,576 refer? I recognize the delegate 631 00:46:27,310 --> 00:46:29,814 at the con mic. >> this is James Sty again from 632 00:46:29,814 --> 00:46:33,823 UUCA, Arlington Virginia. I switched mics, because I 633 00:46:33,823 --> 00:46:37,578 strongly urge that we vote against this current motion to 634 00:46:37,580 --> 00:46:42,566 refer. I think we should give an up or down vote today. Thank 635 00:46:42,567 --> 00:46:47,075 you. [Applause] 636 00:46:47,076 --> 00:46:52,060 >> Another delegate speaking in favor of referring to the 637 00:46:52,060 --> 00:46:55,818 commission on social witness for another year. 638 00:46:56,068 --> 00:46:59,576 >> Yes. My name is Steve Extra nd from the Unitarian 639 00:46:59,577 --> 00:47:02,808 Universalist congregation of Rockville, Maryland. I speak 640 00:47:02,809 --> 00:47:06,814 with some ambivalence, because I strongly support the overall 641 00:47:06,814 --> 00:47:12,573 concept of a statement of conscience on economic 642 00:47:12,575 --> 00:47:17,316 inequality, but I feel that some recent information has come 643 00:47:17,317 --> 00:47:21,323 forth. There's a book recently called dream hoarders by Richard 644 00:47:22,827 --> 00:47:25,831 V. Reeves which points out that it's not just the one%. That 645 00:47:25,832 --> 00:47:29,563 there's the 20%. There are people who move from one 646 00:47:29,564 --> 00:47:32,068 neighborhood to another so their children can go to better 647 00:47:32,069 --> 00:47:37,328 schools, guilty as charged. That there are people who, you 648 00:47:37,328 --> 00:47:43,069 know, the top 20% is able to maintain the status of being in 649 00:47:43,071 --> 00:47:48,328 the top 20% for their children. And I think we need to add some 650 00:47:48,330 --> 00:47:51,563 statements to this it effect, to our statement of conscience, 651 00:47:51,564 --> 00:47:57,323 and also to add some of these things to the remedies that we 652 00:47:57,325 --> 00:47:59,325 have. 653 00:48:02,313 --> 00:48:05,066 So yes, and finally, I think the other thing is I think it would 654 00:48:05,067 --> 00:48:08,323 be good to do some consolidation of all of the 655 00:48:08,325 --> 00:48:11,828 various actions, you know, 15 or 20 items under each of the 656 00:48:11,830 --> 00:48:14,563 things we can do individually and as congregations, and I 657 00:48:14,564 --> 00:48:17,569 think consolidateing some of those to a smaller number that 658 00:48:17,569 --> 00:48:21,325 people will actually pay attention to would be a good 659 00:48:21,326 --> 00:48:23,328 idea. >> thank you. I recognize the 660 00:48:23,330 --> 00:48:28,569 delegate at the procedural mic. >> My name is Margaret Bordon 661 00:48:28,571 --> 00:48:32,327 from the first Unitarian church of Austin, Texas. My question 662 00:48:32,328 --> 00:48:39,819 is I believe for the Committee on social witness and I'm about 663 00:48:39,819 --> 00:48:44,827 to display my ignorance, as I listened to all the discussion, 664 00:48:44,828 --> 00:48:48,335 it sounded like we were writing this for ourselves. And there's 665 00:48:49,086 --> 00:48:53,321 a purpose in doing that. I had assumed we were writing it for 666 00:48:53,322 --> 00:48:57,327 the outside world to see what we were about. So I would like 667 00:48:57,328 --> 00:49:02,316 clarification as to who is the target audience and what is the 668 00:49:02,317 --> 00:49:08,577 purpose of the statement? [Applause] 669 00:49:08,578 --> 00:49:15,818 >> Because -- >> statement of conscience is 670 00:49:15,819 --> 00:49:19,823 statement of our conscience as association. It commits us to 671 00:49:19,825 --> 00:49:25,334 specific actions in the world. I recognize the Dell gay it the 672 00:49:25,335 --> 00:49:26,819 procedural mic. >> Ted Papas, university 673 00:49:26,821 --> 00:49:28,823 Unitarian Universalist society east east, Manchester, 674 00:49:28,825 --> 00:49:30,825 Connecticut 675 00:49:32,078 --> 00:49:36,335 . He wanted a point of clarification. Were we to table 676 00:49:37,087 --> 00:49:43,326 the current motion, would we be looking at a one year delay 677 00:49:43,327 --> 00:49:46,831 likely 1234 and if we were to vote con on the principal motion 678 00:49:47,082 --> 00:49:50,086 , would we be looking at least a two year, if not a four-year 679 00:49:50,087 --> 00:49:56,582 delay if we were to bring that back to the assembly? 680 00:49:56,582 --> 00:50:01,343 >> I'm just going to disambuate this. If we table it, we'll 681 00:50:01,344 --> 00:50:04,322 decide to discuss later in General Assembly. If we 682 00:50:04,323 --> 00:50:08,078 referred it to a committee, it would go on the commission on 683 00:50:08,078 --> 00:50:10,081 social social witness another year. If we voted no against 684 00:50:10,082 --> 00:50:12,587 the motion, we would not have a statement of conscience and we 685 00:50:12,587 --> 00:50:16,825 would get a new congregational study action issue/statement of 686 00:50:16,826 --> 00:50:20,330 conscience process next year. >> which would take, at a 687 00:50:20,331 --> 00:50:21,584 minimum, two and possibly four years. 688 00:50:21,585 --> 00:50:24,089 >> It would take up to four years until we were at this 689 00:50:24,090 --> 00:50:25,591 point again, yes. >> Thank you. 690 00:50:25,591 --> 00:50:27,823 >> Thank you. >> I recognize the delegate at 691 00:50:27,823 --> 00:50:31,076 the procedural mic. >> Reverend Emily Burke from 692 00:50:31,077 --> 00:50:34,081 Franklin, New Hampshire. I would like to call the question 693 00:50:34,082 --> 00:50:39,072 on referral, please. >> I heard a second. That is in 694 00:50:41,325 --> 00:50:44,330 order at this time. So I'm going to explain what we're 695 00:50:44,331 --> 00:50:53,831 about to do. If we accept this, we would be moving back and 696 00:50:53,832 --> 00:50:57,090 accepting the entire statement of conscience as amended with no 697 00:50:57,589 --> 00:51:00,343 unincorporated amendments. 698 00:51:05,081 --> 00:51:08,332 >> I need the delegate to come back to the mic so I'm clear 699 00:51:08,334 --> 00:51:09,836 about the question that we're calling. 700 00:51:09,837 --> 00:51:13,344 >> I was calling -- >> recognize the delegate at the 701 00:51:13,595 --> 00:51:16,077 procedural mic. >> Still Emily Burke. I was 702 00:51:16,078 --> 00:51:18,580 calling it is question about referral. My understanding was 703 00:51:18,581 --> 00:51:20,834 that was the motion currently on the floor. 704 00:51:20,835 --> 00:51:24,339 >> okay. I misheard. Thank you so much. 705 00:51:24,340 --> 00:51:30,078 >> okay. So that's in order. With we're voting about whether 706 00:51:30,080 --> 00:51:35,337 we're going to refer this to the commission -- yes? 707 00:51:35,339 --> 00:51:38,573 >> no. >> we are deciding on whether we 708 00:51:38,575 --> 00:51:42,581 are going to refer to the commission on social witness. 709 00:51:42,582 --> 00:51:44,582 >> 710 00:51:53,580 --> 00:51:57,334 the motion was to call the question on referring to the 711 00:51:57,335 --> 00:52:01,590 Committee. The Committee that this would be referred to, for 712 00:52:01,591 --> 00:52:05,580 an additional study, is the commission on social witness 713 00:52:05,581 --> 00:52:07,334 witness. That is the motion that the delegate made. This is 714 00:52:07,335 --> 00:52:09,335 not debatable 715 00:52:10,589 --> 00:52:14,325 . So we need to take a vote. All right? I have some other 716 00:52:14,326 --> 00:52:18,080 folks at the procedural mic, so I'm going to take the delegate 717 00:52:18,081 --> 00:52:21,335 at the procedural mic. I recognize the delegate at the 718 00:52:21,336 --> 00:52:23,589 procedural mic. >> There does seem to be some 719 00:52:23,590 --> 00:52:27,328 confusion on the floor. If we could just clarify, I believe -- 720 00:52:27,330 --> 00:52:31,337 >> who are you? >> thank you. I'm Carl Ponernan 721 00:52:31,589 --> 00:52:35,094 from the UU church of greater Lansing. And they may be 722 00:52:35,095 --> 00:52:39,836 discussing the issue that I'm about to raise anyway, so it may 723 00:52:40,587 --> 00:52:42,841 be moot. There seems to be some confusion on the floor. I 724 00:52:42,841 --> 00:52:45,596 believe we need to vote on the motion for previous question 725 00:52:45,598 --> 00:52:49,102 itself, which happens to require a two-thirds majority, and then 726 00:52:49,604 --> 00:52:55,593 we can vote on the -- >> * * and then we can vote on 727 00:52:55,594 --> 00:52:58,348 the actual question of whether to refer. 728 00:52:58,349 --> 00:52:59,850 >> That's correct, thank you. That's correct. We are voting 729 00:52:59,850 --> 00:53:03,332 on whether to call the question, then we would vote on whether 730 00:53:03,332 --> 00:53:06,591 to refer. That's exactly the order. Thank you. 731 00:53:24,349 --> 00:53:26,349 >> We'll vote to end debate on the motion 732 00:53:29,587 --> 00:53:31,596 to refer. I recognize the delegate in the off-site 733 00:53:31,598 --> 00:53:34,599 procedural mic. >> Fred Hammond from UU 734 00:53:34,600 --> 00:53:38,103 congregation of Tuscaloosa, Alabama. Off-site delegates 735 00:53:38,104 --> 00:53:42,093 need some time for the voting process to come up. 736 00:53:42,094 --> 00:53:45,600 >> that is correct. The voting process is up right now. I just 737 00:53:46,100 --> 00:53:50,587 saw it on my screen. I have a couple of additional screens up 738 00:53:50,587 --> 00:53:53,590 here that you don't necessarily see, but I know that and they're 739 00:53:53,591 --> 00:53:55,591 already voting 740 00:53:58,099 --> 00:53:58,849 , as a matter of fact. [Laughter] 741 00:53:58,850 --> 00:54:05,091 So all those in favor of ending debate on the motion to refer, 742 00:54:05,093 --> 00:54:09,599 please raise your card. Keep them high. This requires a 743 00:54:09,600 --> 00:54:17,344 two-thirds majority. All right. All those opposed? Let's see 744 00:54:17,345 --> 00:54:20,100 the off-site votes. 745 00:54:23,106 --> 00:54:26,341 Okay. We're ready to vote on this motion. 746 00:54:30,848 --> 00:54:33,603 We have a motion to refer, and this motion to refer this would 747 00:54:33,604 --> 00:54:36,359 send it back. This statement of conscience, as written right 748 00:54:36,359 --> 00:54:40,344 now, to the commission on social witness. All right? That's 749 00:54:40,345 --> 00:54:48,108 what we've just done. All right. We're ready. Now all 750 00:54:48,109 --> 00:54:52,593 those in favor of sending this statement of conscience back to 751 00:54:52,593 --> 00:54:55,598 the commission on social witness, please raise your cards 752 00:54:57,609 --> 00:54:59,609 high. 753 00:55:05,095 --> 00:55:07,851 All those opposed? 754 00:55:11,107 --> 00:55:19,349 Off-site vote. We are not ready to send this to Committee. 755 00:55:22,602 --> 00:55:24,602 [Applause] 756 00:55:27,092 --> 00:55:30,346 So where we are now, we ever no motion to refer. We're back 757 00:55:30,348 --> 00:55:34,854 back to discussion on the main motion, which is the statement 758 00:55:34,856 --> 00:55:37,360 of conscience as amended. 759 00:55:42,850 --> 00:55:45,602 I recognize the delegate at the procedural mic. 760 00:55:45,602 --> 00:55:50,590 >> Marcus Swiliano from the Unitarian Universalist 761 00:55:50,591 --> 00:55:53,846 association of [Indiscernible] he'd like to call the question 762 00:55:53,848 --> 00:55:57,102 on the motion for conscience. >> That is in order at this 763 00:55:57,104 --> 00:56:02,840 time. I hear a second. All right. So we're calling the 764 00:56:02,841 --> 00:56:07,593 question on the statement of conscience as amended. We're 765 00:56:07,595 --> 00:56:11,852 going to -- no, we're not considering any amendments. 766 00:56:11,852 --> 00:56:14,104 This is the document that we have. 767 00:56:14,106 --> 00:56:17,846 >> well, wait a minute. >> give me a moment to con per 768 00:56:17,848 --> 00:56:20,601 my parliamentarian. All right? Can we have a song while I do 769 00:56:20,602 --> 00:56:24,360 that? I want to get some clarity. 770 00:56:50,593 --> 00:57:00,113 >> Hello, everyone. You're so kind. From what I just saw, 771 00:57:00,615 --> 00:57:03,843 I'm going to need to breathe in and breathe out. I'm sorry. 772 00:57:03,845 --> 00:57:08,602 We all know T so can we have this? Breathe in? Breathe out 773 00:57:08,602 --> 00:57:14,111 out. Okay. And four. ¶ Breathe in 774 00:57:19,102 --> 00:57:22,857 ¶ breathe out ¶ breathe in 775 00:57:22,858 --> 00:57:31,352 ¶ breathe out ¶ When I breathe in I'll breathe 776 00:57:31,852 --> 00:57:36,861 in peace. ¶ When I breathe out, I'll 777 00:57:36,861 --> 00:57:44,608 breathe out love. ¶ When he breathe in, I'll 778 00:57:44,609 --> 00:57:49,863 breathe in peace ¶ When I breathe out, I'll 779 00:57:49,865 --> 00:57:51,865 breathe out love. 780 00:58:54,853 --> 00:58:56,853 [Applause] 781 00:58:58,861 --> 00:59:04,602 >> Thank you, Leon. All right. Sometimes when we breathe we 782 00:59:04,603 --> 00:59:08,109 get clarity on something, so I'm glad we got to breathe together 783 00:59:08,110 --> 00:59:12,870 and so I want to clarify what we're about to do. Right now, 784 00:59:12,870 --> 00:59:16,602 there has been a motion made to call the question question, so 785 00:59:16,602 --> 00:59:20,861 we have to vote, again, on whether we wanted to vote or not 786 00:59:21,111 --> 00:59:26,119 . All right? If we do that, that means that we're going to 787 00:59:26,120 --> 00:59:29,354 go back to the main motion, and the main motion in this case is 788 00:59:29,356 --> 00:59:32,861 the statement of conscience with the amendments that have been 789 00:59:32,861 --> 00:59:34,865 made. None of the unincorporated amendments. 790 00:59:35,116 --> 00:59:39,350 That's the white sheet. We won't be entertaining any 791 00:59:39,351 --> 00:59:42,611 amendments if we call the question right now. The next 792 00:59:42,612 --> 00:59:45,365 thing we would do is just vote on how it's written, what any of 793 00:59:45,366 --> 00:59:47,869 the dramatical changes that are noted. We don't need a motion 794 00:59:47,870 --> 00:59:51,099 for that. It's been noted. We'll take care of it. Does 795 00:59:51,100 --> 00:59:53,854 everyone understand? >> yes. 796 00:59:53,856 --> 00:59:57,362 >> it's A through Z. We won't vote on those unincorporated 797 00:59:57,363 --> 01:00:00,117 amendments. I recognize the delegate at the procedural mic. 798 01:00:00,369 --> 01:00:02,599 >> all right. Marti [Indiscernible] from the 799 01:00:02,600 --> 01:00:06,857 Unitarian Universalist church of silver spring, Maryland. I'd 800 01:00:06,858 --> 01:00:11,116 like to ask a question of procedure. If adopted in 801 01:00:11,117 --> 01:00:18,609 whatever form today, is it possible be to consider changes 802 01:00:18,610 --> 01:00:24,618 in amendments in future years? It occurs to me that if adopted 803 01:00:24,619 --> 01:00:29,102 last year, it would appear very different due to the social, 804 01:00:29,102 --> 01:00:34,111 political, and economic conditions this year. We could 805 01:00:34,111 --> 01:00:39,349 debate amendments for several years and not have done 806 01:00:39,350 --> 01:00:43,606 anything. So adopted today could amendments and changes be 807 01:00:43,607 --> 01:00:49,366 considered in future years? >> No, but we could amend our 808 01:00:49,367 --> 01:00:52,100 actions in future years. Weak mend our behavior. This 809 01:00:52,101 --> 01:00:54,856 statement of conscience becomes an official record of what we do 810 01:00:55,107 --> 01:00:58,612 . It does not limit that we can do in the future. 811 01:00:58,613 --> 01:01:00,867 >> thank you. 812 01:01:05,604 --> 01:01:07,356 This is not debatable. There was just a question on what 813 01:01:07,357 --> 01:01:10,613 would happen. All right. Now we're going to vote to vote. 814 01:01:10,863 --> 01:01:14,848 This requires a two-thirds majority. So all of those in 815 01:01:14,849 --> 01:01:19,857 favor of voting on the statement of conscience as amended, no 816 01:01:19,858 --> 01:01:23,865 unincorporated amendments on A through Z, that white page, 817 01:01:23,866 --> 01:01:29,103 please raise your cards now: Keep them up high. 818 01:01:32,361 --> 01:01:36,367 They're closing debate. All right. All those opposed? 819 01:01:42,607 --> 01:01:44,861 Off-site delegates? 820 01:01:48,613 --> 01:01:52,356 And I'm going to confer for a second. 821 01:02:02,357 --> 01:02:06,615 We need to closed cue on voting now. Thank you. 822 01:02:17,111 --> 01:02:21,117 We're fog to try this one more time. Open up that voting cue. 823 01:02:21,118 --> 01:02:24,121 All of those in favor of ending debate so we can accept or 824 01:02:24,122 --> 01:02:28,363 reject the statement of conscience, hold your cards up 825 01:02:28,365 --> 01:02:32,869 high. Keep them up. Don't wiggle them. You can wickal 826 01:02:32,870 --> 01:02:35,122 your feet, though. 827 01:02:39,609 --> 01:02:41,609 All those opposed? 828 01:02:44,367 --> 01:02:46,369 Off-site? 829 01:02:49,624 --> 01:02:51,624 This passes. 830 01:02:58,122 --> 01:03:00,877 Now we're going to volt on the statement of conscience that's 831 01:03:00,878 --> 01:03:03,611 written with any grammatical changes we've already made. 832 01:03:03,861 --> 01:03:08,118 This requires a two-thirds majority vote. All those in 833 01:03:08,119 --> 01:03:11,124 favor of the statement of conscience as written in your 834 01:03:11,125 --> 01:03:15,361 CSW alert, please raise your cards now. 835 01:03:19,617 --> 01:03:26,611 All those opposed? Off-site? 836 01:03:29,870 --> 01:03:31,870 This passes. [Applause] 837 01:03:43,119 --> 01:03:46,125 we did a thing. [Laughter]