1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:15,760 2 00:00:15,760 --> 00:00:17,960 PABLO: If those who are sitting over there could join 3 00:00:17,960 --> 00:00:19,490 us, that would be really wonderful. 4 00:00:19,490 --> 00:00:21,410 We're in that circle. 5 00:00:21,410 --> 00:00:22,850 I don't know [INAUDIBLE]. 6 00:00:22,850 --> 00:00:27,700 I don't remember the reason why we have [INAUDIBLE]. 7 00:00:27,700 --> 00:00:29,185 Because it was harmony. 8 00:00:29,185 --> 00:00:30,793 And he said, no. 9 00:00:30,793 --> 00:00:42,055 We're communal. 10 00:00:42,055 --> 00:00:47,010 So we're communal. 11 00:00:47,010 --> 00:00:49,918 So thank you for joining us this morning. 12 00:00:49,918 --> 00:00:54,142 And we're going to do things a little bit 13 00:00:54,142 --> 00:00:55,882 unusual in this workshop. 14 00:00:55,882 --> 00:01:00,852 So I want to make sure that everybody comes to the circle. 15 00:01:00,852 --> 00:01:03,337 We're going to make it really fun. 16 00:01:03,337 --> 00:01:05,822 This is the third day of worship. 17 00:01:05,822 --> 00:01:06,319 Right? 18 00:01:06,319 --> 00:01:07,810 Are you tired? 19 00:01:07,810 --> 00:01:08,804 Yeah. 20 00:01:08,804 --> 00:01:14,800 We're going to make it a little different, fun. 21 00:01:14,800 --> 00:01:17,860 So this morning, we're supposed to talk about pulling 22 00:01:17,860 --> 00:01:19,655 together our campaign and the different elements of our 23 00:01:19,655 --> 00:01:21,110 [? companion. ?] 24 00:01:21,110 --> 00:01:25,710 The issue that we picked to share some of the work that 25 00:01:25,710 --> 00:01:27,720 we've been doing is 26 00:01:27,720 --> 00:01:31,220 essentially the age of migration. 27 00:01:31,220 --> 00:01:35,514 So I want to make sure that people come into the circle. 28 00:01:35,514 --> 00:01:37,490 MALE SPEAKER: You want us to expand the circle? 29 00:01:37,490 --> 00:01:37,984 PABLO: Yeah. 30 00:01:37,984 --> 00:01:45,394 There's more chairs here. 31 00:01:45,394 --> 00:01:46,876 MALE SPEAKER: Everybody in. 32 00:01:46,876 --> 00:01:47,864 PABLO: Everybody in. 33 00:01:47,864 --> 00:01:49,346 Nobody stays out. 34 00:01:49,346 --> 00:01:57,260 We're communal. 35 00:01:57,260 --> 00:02:02,010 So the issue that we picked to share some of the campaign 36 00:02:02,010 --> 00:02:05,420 work that we've been doing is age of migration. 37 00:02:05,420 --> 00:02:14,164 Now, we all know the way the campaign in the past ten years 38 00:02:14,164 --> 00:02:17,134 is we expect immigration reform to happen in 39 00:02:17,134 --> 00:02:24,559 Washington, DC. 40 00:02:24,559 --> 00:02:26,539 But it hasn't worked out. 41 00:02:26,539 --> 00:02:27,034 Has it? 42 00:02:27,034 --> 00:02:28,024 CROWD: No. 43 00:02:28,024 --> 00:02:28,519 PABLO: No. 44 00:02:28,519 --> 00:02:29,014 OK. 45 00:02:29,014 --> 00:02:30,499 So it's failed. 46 00:02:30,499 --> 00:02:31,489 It's failed to pass. 47 00:02:31,489 --> 00:02:33,469 We failed to pass a legislation. 48 00:02:33,469 --> 00:02:36,934 It might be we failed to build the liturgy of effective 49 00:02:36,934 --> 00:02:37,950 communities. 50 00:02:37,950 --> 00:02:40,599 So we're what we're going to do here is we're going to 51 00:02:40,599 --> 00:02:43,380 reflect that. 52 00:02:43,380 --> 00:02:46,922 Immigration reform doesn't haven't to take place in 53 00:02:46,922 --> 00:02:48,398 Washington, DC. 54 00:02:48,398 --> 00:02:50,366 There are many things. 55 00:02:50,366 --> 00:02:54,619 There are many campaigns that are taking place at the local 56 00:02:54,619 --> 00:02:56,210 level in your own municipality. 57 00:02:56,210 --> 00:03:00,240 So the idea is for you to see what are the different options 58 00:03:00,240 --> 00:03:04,498 in terms of engaging and participating in campaigns. 59 00:03:04,498 --> 00:03:09,124 So we're going to do an exercise that will provide us 60 00:03:09,124 --> 00:03:14,725 with the greater picture, the big picture of what the 61 00:03:14,725 --> 00:03:17,697 struggle around immigration reform is. 62 00:03:17,697 --> 00:03:22,667 And right after that, we're going to get into a very 63 00:03:22,667 --> 00:03:26,146 specific effort that we're undertaking nationally. 64 00:03:26,146 --> 00:03:31,116 And that is to change the detainer in localities. 65 00:03:31,116 --> 00:03:38,722 And [INAUDIBLE] is going to come in and explain to us what 66 00:03:38,722 --> 00:03:41,157 a detainer is. 67 00:03:41,157 --> 00:03:43,105 And we also have Hacinta. 68 00:03:43,105 --> 00:03:47,500 We have Carlos here, because they are part of [INAUDIBLE] 69 00:03:47,500 --> 00:03:48,030 as well. 70 00:03:48,030 --> 00:03:52,386 So right after that, Marisa-- raise your hand Marisa-- 71 00:03:52,386 --> 00:03:54,254 [INAUDIBLE]. 72 00:03:54,254 --> 00:03:58,050 Marisa is going to come and explain to us the basic 73 00:03:58,050 --> 00:04:03,492 concepts of a campaign, which are? 74 00:04:03,492 --> 00:04:10,977 MARISA: Tactics, target, timeline. 75 00:04:10,977 --> 00:04:15,468 Tactics, target, timeline. 76 00:04:15,468 --> 00:04:18,462 PABLO: Tactic, target, and timeline. 77 00:04:18,462 --> 00:04:18,961 OK. 78 00:04:18,961 --> 00:04:20,458 The three basic concepts. 79 00:04:20,458 --> 00:04:23,951 Then [INAUDIBLE] is going come back to talk about a campaign 80 00:04:23,951 --> 00:04:25,947 that took place in Washington, DC. 81 00:04:25,947 --> 00:04:28,442 And what happened in Washington, DC, really fast. 82 00:04:28,442 --> 00:04:29,939 What's going on over there? 83 00:04:29,939 --> 00:04:34,430 SARAHI: We just got the jail to not turn people over to ICE 84 00:04:34,430 --> 00:04:37,160 who don't fit a certain criteria. 85 00:04:37,160 --> 00:04:39,048 PABLO: Common sense! 86 00:04:39,048 --> 00:04:40,936 And when did that happen? 87 00:04:40,936 --> 00:04:42,352 SARAHI: Last month. 88 00:04:42,352 --> 00:04:43,296 PABLO: Last month. 89 00:04:43,296 --> 00:04:44,650 So that's the idea. 90 00:04:44,650 --> 00:04:46,586 That you go back and you do this. 91 00:04:46,586 --> 00:04:48,816 [INAUDIBLE]. 92 00:04:48,816 --> 00:04:49,262 OK. 93 00:04:49,262 --> 00:04:54,400 But before, we're going to make it fun, and we know it is 94 00:04:54,400 --> 00:04:55,380 the third day. 95 00:04:55,380 --> 00:04:55,625 OK. 96 00:04:55,625 --> 00:04:56,262 We're going to stand up. 97 00:04:56,262 --> 00:04:57,830 And close in a circle. 98 00:04:57,830 --> 00:04:58,810 Close the circle. 99 00:04:58,810 --> 00:04:59,300 Stand up. 100 00:04:59,300 --> 00:05:04,200 Come on. 101 00:05:04,200 --> 00:05:05,670 OK. 102 00:05:05,670 --> 00:05:11,590 Can you close the circle? 103 00:05:11,590 --> 00:05:11,890 MARISA: OK. 104 00:05:11,890 --> 00:05:14,086 So we want to make sure everybody's in the circle. 105 00:05:14,086 --> 00:05:18,671 So stand or move forward, just make sure everybody's in. 106 00:05:18,671 --> 00:05:23,800 This is an exercise that everybody can participate in. 107 00:05:23,800 --> 00:05:25,390 So we're going to-- 108 00:05:25,390 --> 00:05:32,430 how many people speak Spanish? 109 00:05:32,430 --> 00:05:33,420 OK. 110 00:05:33,420 --> 00:05:34,905 You're going to help me. 111 00:05:34,905 --> 00:05:35,400 Yes. 112 00:05:35,400 --> 00:05:43,420 I need your help. 113 00:05:43,420 --> 00:05:43,880 OK. 114 00:05:43,880 --> 00:05:49,860 So what the game is, is it's going to be a race. 115 00:05:49,860 --> 00:05:51,970 It's a race. 116 00:05:51,970 --> 00:05:56,550 And the objective is, so we're going to have-- 117 00:05:56,550 --> 00:05:59,960 you all are going to be the starters of the race. 118 00:05:59,960 --> 00:06:03,766 So you're going to have a cat. 119 00:06:03,766 --> 00:06:07,180 And you're going to have the dog. 120 00:06:07,180 --> 00:06:08,140 OK. 121 00:06:08,140 --> 00:06:13,280 So what, what the objective is, is this team-- 122 00:06:13,280 --> 00:06:16,759 Paulo's team is every other person. 123 00:06:16,759 --> 00:06:17,753 Right. 124 00:06:17,753 --> 00:06:22,690 So you're going to pass the object all around the circle. 125 00:06:22,690 --> 00:06:25,660 And you're going to do it as fast as you can. 126 00:06:25,660 --> 00:06:29,650 This team is going to be going this way. 127 00:06:29,650 --> 00:06:30,530 Right. 128 00:06:30,530 --> 00:06:32,580 And so one's going to be going this way. 129 00:06:32,580 --> 00:06:36,080 And one's going to be going this way. 130 00:06:36,080 --> 00:06:41,207 And whoever gets this object back to the original starting 131 00:06:41,207 --> 00:06:43,171 point first wins. 132 00:06:43,171 --> 00:06:44,644 MALE SPEAKER: You got to skip the person next to you. 133 00:06:44,644 --> 00:06:47,590 MARISA: You got to skip the person next to you. 134 00:06:47,590 --> 00:06:49,554 Does that make sense? 135 00:06:49,554 --> 00:06:51,518 Now, this is where 136 00:06:51,518 --> 00:06:52,500 EDIE: Edie. 137 00:06:52,500 --> 00:06:53,973 MARISA: Edie comes in. 138 00:06:53,973 --> 00:06:59,820 There is a process of how this object will make its way 139 00:06:59,820 --> 00:07:01,480 around the circle. 140 00:07:01,480 --> 00:07:04,798 So this is a dog. 141 00:07:04,798 --> 00:07:07,825 So I'm going to say it in English, and Edie's going to 142 00:07:07,825 --> 00:07:08,730 say it in Spanish. 143 00:07:08,730 --> 00:07:10,860 So I'm going to say, this a dog. 144 00:07:10,860 --> 00:07:12,824 EDIE: [SPANISH]. 145 00:07:12,824 --> 00:07:17,734 [INAUDIBLE]. 146 00:07:17,734 --> 00:07:19,698 MARISA: And this is-- 147 00:07:19,698 --> 00:07:20,680 MALE SPEAKER: A cat. 148 00:07:20,680 --> 00:07:21,220 MARISA: A cat. 149 00:07:21,220 --> 00:07:22,180 So this is a cat. 150 00:07:22,180 --> 00:07:26,230 EDIE: [SPANISH]. 151 00:07:26,230 --> 00:07:28,430 MARISA: So everybody, let's practice saying it. 152 00:07:28,430 --> 00:07:29,825 [SPANISH]. 153 00:07:29,825 --> 00:07:31,685 CROWD: [SPANISH]. 154 00:07:31,685 --> 00:07:32,615 MARISA: [SPANISH] 155 00:07:32,615 --> 00:07:34,940 CROWD: [SPANISH]. 156 00:07:34,940 --> 00:07:35,940 MARISA: Ready. 157 00:07:35,940 --> 00:07:40,495 So what's going to happen is let's pretend here-- so what's 158 00:07:40,495 --> 00:07:43,210 going to happen is-- let's say I'm Pablo right now and I'm 159 00:07:43,210 --> 00:07:45,320 passing it to Roger. 160 00:07:45,320 --> 00:07:48,174 So I say [SPANISH]. 161 00:07:48,174 --> 00:07:51,646 And you hold it, and then, you say, [SPANISH]. 162 00:07:51,646 --> 00:07:52,638 EDIE: [SPANISH]. 163 00:07:52,638 --> 00:07:54,126 MARISA: So a cat. 164 00:07:54,126 --> 00:07:54,622 [SPANISH]. 165 00:07:54,622 --> 00:07:56,110 I confirm it. 166 00:07:56,110 --> 00:07:58,850 And then that's when-- 167 00:07:58,850 --> 00:08:03,256 so sometimes people are going to get excited and say 168 00:08:03,256 --> 00:08:04,970 [INAUDIBLE]. 169 00:08:04,970 --> 00:08:05,130 No. 170 00:08:05,130 --> 00:08:07,195 You got to go [SPANISH]. 171 00:08:07,195 --> 00:08:08,185 EDIE: [SPANISH]. 172 00:08:08,185 --> 00:08:10,660 MARISA: [SPANISH]. 173 00:08:10,660 --> 00:08:12,650 And that's when it goes. 174 00:08:12,650 --> 00:08:13,410 Makes sense? 175 00:08:13,410 --> 00:08:14,260 Let's practice. 176 00:08:14,260 --> 00:08:18,255 Thank you, Edie. 177 00:08:18,255 --> 00:08:20,710 All right. 178 00:08:20,710 --> 00:08:21,692 Practice. 179 00:08:21,692 --> 00:08:23,165 FEMALE SPEAKER: [SPANISH]. 180 00:08:23,165 --> 00:08:24,147 MALE SPEAKER: [SPANISH]. 181 00:08:24,147 --> 00:08:25,390 FEMALE SPEAKER: [SPANISH]. 182 00:08:25,390 --> 00:08:26,887 MALE SPEAKER: [SPANISH]. 183 00:08:26,887 --> 00:08:29,382 MALE SPEAKER: [SPANISH]. 184 00:08:29,382 --> 00:08:30,879 MALE SPEAKER: [SPANISH]. 185 00:08:30,879 --> 00:08:32,376 FEMALE SPEAKER: [SPANISH]. 186 00:08:32,376 --> 00:08:33,374 FEMALE SPEAKER: [SPANISH]. 187 00:08:33,374 --> 00:08:34,871 MALE SPEAKER: [SPANISH]. 188 00:08:34,871 --> 00:08:35,869 MALE SPEAKER: [SPANISH]. 189 00:08:35,869 --> 00:08:38,863 MALE SPEAKER: [SPANISH]. 190 00:08:38,863 --> 00:08:40,360 MARISA: OK. 191 00:08:40,360 --> 00:08:41,358 Got it? 192 00:08:41,358 --> 00:08:44,352 Was that a good practice? 193 00:08:44,352 --> 00:08:58,324 Yeah, give it back. 194 00:08:58,324 --> 00:08:59,322 All right. 195 00:08:59,322 --> 00:09:05,310 Any questions? 196 00:09:05,310 --> 00:09:10,300 So this team is saying [SPANISH]. 197 00:09:10,300 --> 00:09:11,797 This is a cat. 198 00:09:11,797 --> 00:09:14,292 [SPANISH]. 199 00:09:14,292 --> 00:09:14,791 Right. 200 00:09:14,791 --> 00:09:23,773 [SPANISH]. 201 00:09:23,773 --> 00:09:24,771 Right. 202 00:09:24,771 --> 00:09:25,270 OK. 203 00:09:25,270 --> 00:09:26,767 So this one's for real. 204 00:09:26,767 --> 00:09:28,763 So we're going to see who's going to win. 205 00:09:28,763 --> 00:09:29,262 The dogs. 206 00:09:29,262 --> 00:09:33,254 [SPANISH]. 207 00:09:33,254 --> 00:09:33,753 OK. 208 00:09:33,753 --> 00:09:34,252 [INAUDIBLE]. 209 00:09:34,252 --> 00:09:35,250 Go. 210 00:09:35,250 --> 00:11:19,541 [GAME PROCEEDS IN SPANISH] 211 00:11:19,541 --> 00:11:20,040 MARISA: [SPANISH]. 212 00:11:20,040 --> 00:11:24,032 Who won? 213 00:11:24,032 --> 00:11:25,529 [SPANISH]. 214 00:11:25,529 --> 00:11:27,026 The dogs won. 215 00:11:27,026 --> 00:11:34,012 [SPANISH]. 216 00:11:34,012 --> 00:11:34,511 PABLO: OK. 217 00:11:34,511 --> 00:11:37,700 [SPANISH]. 218 00:11:37,700 --> 00:11:39,990 You awake now? 219 00:11:39,990 --> 00:11:40,960 OK. 220 00:11:40,960 --> 00:11:45,810 So I need 10 volunteers to come over here. 221 00:11:45,810 --> 00:11:46,295 MALE SPEAKER: [SPANISH]. 222 00:11:46,295 --> 00:11:47,265 PABLO: [SPANISH]. 223 00:11:47,265 --> 00:11:49,690 10 volunteers. 224 00:11:49,690 --> 00:11:58,511 One. 225 00:11:58,511 --> 00:12:04,330 One more. 226 00:12:04,330 --> 00:12:05,770 OK. 227 00:12:05,770 --> 00:12:21,890 Now I need 10 over here. 228 00:12:21,890 --> 00:12:25,016 So everybody else, you're going to be the observers. 229 00:12:25,016 --> 00:12:26,014 OK. 230 00:12:26,014 --> 00:12:30,006 So everybody else, you have to have your pen ready because 231 00:12:30,006 --> 00:12:32,002 you're going to write everything that looks 232 00:12:32,002 --> 00:12:33,000 interesting to you. 233 00:12:33,000 --> 00:12:33,499 Only the observers. 234 00:12:33,499 --> 00:12:34,996 OK. 235 00:12:34,996 --> 00:12:36,493 Starting from comments. 236 00:12:36,493 --> 00:12:37,990 Whatever you see that you think is 237 00:12:37,990 --> 00:12:38,988 interesting, write it down. 238 00:12:38,988 --> 00:12:40,984 Then you're going to come back and share it. 239 00:12:40,984 --> 00:12:41,982 OK. 240 00:12:41,982 --> 00:12:45,475 So this is a puzzle that you have to put together. 241 00:12:45,475 --> 00:12:47,970 OK. 242 00:12:47,970 --> 00:12:48,970 So. 243 00:12:48,970 --> 00:12:49,520 Yes. 244 00:12:49,520 --> 00:12:53,482 So the first three minutes, you can't talk. 245 00:12:53,482 --> 00:12:54,436 OK. 246 00:12:54,436 --> 00:12:56,821 Just try to put it together. 247 00:12:56,821 --> 00:12:57,780 Ready. 248 00:12:57,780 --> 00:13:06,966 Let's go. 249 00:13:06,966 --> 00:13:26,886 You can't talk. 250 00:13:26,886 --> 00:13:28,380 CROWD: Shh. 251 00:13:28,380 --> 00:15:04,620 PABLO: You're talking. 252 00:15:04,620 --> 00:15:08,230 No cheating. 253 00:15:08,230 --> 00:15:08,530 OK. 254 00:15:08,530 --> 00:15:20,216 Stop now. 255 00:15:20,216 --> 00:15:21,710 It's OK to talk now. 256 00:15:21,710 --> 00:15:51,092 [INTERPOSING VOICES]. 257 00:15:51,092 --> 00:15:51,590 PABLO: [INAUDIBLE]. 258 00:15:51,590 --> 00:17:25,214 OK. 259 00:17:25,214 --> 00:17:26,708 Stay right there. 260 00:17:26,708 --> 00:17:29,945 I want you to take a look at the images and describe what 261 00:17:29,945 --> 00:17:37,950 you see there. 262 00:17:37,950 --> 00:17:42,634 MALE SPEAKER: A car in the middle of [INAUDIBLE]. 263 00:17:42,634 --> 00:17:45,622 PABLO: OK. 264 00:17:45,622 --> 00:17:48,112 In a different direction. 265 00:17:48,112 --> 00:17:52,594 OK. 266 00:17:52,594 --> 00:17:55,084 FEMALE SPEAKER: Everybody wants to [INAUDIBLE] 267 00:17:55,084 --> 00:17:57,076 in totally different directions. 268 00:17:57,076 --> 00:18:07,534 [INTERPOSING VOICES]. 269 00:18:07,534 --> 00:18:09,028 FEMALE SPEAKER: Everybody wants reform. 270 00:18:09,028 --> 00:18:10,024 Both sides-- listen. 271 00:18:10,024 --> 00:18:15,502 Both sides want reform, but they want it different. 272 00:18:15,502 --> 00:18:16,996 PABLO: What's the difference? 273 00:18:16,996 --> 00:18:19,984 FEMALE SPEAKER: This side is very much anti-immigration. 274 00:18:19,984 --> 00:18:23,470 They want to make the laws more abusive. 275 00:18:23,470 --> 00:18:27,454 And this side is looking for a humane solution to a very 276 00:18:27,454 --> 00:18:29,446 complicated, messed up system. 277 00:18:29,446 --> 00:18:32,932 PABLO: So can you describe the difference between the images 278 00:18:32,932 --> 00:18:36,418 on both ends? 279 00:18:36,418 --> 00:18:38,410 FEMALE SPEAKER: This side is very angry. 280 00:18:38,410 --> 00:18:50,362 MALE SPEAKER: This side is angry. 281 00:18:50,362 --> 00:18:53,848 MALE SPEAKER: But there are valid things on either side. 282 00:18:53,848 --> 00:18:55,342 Secure communities. 283 00:18:55,342 --> 00:18:59,326 Employee sanctions. 284 00:18:59,326 --> 00:19:07,330 Then worker centers. 285 00:19:07,330 --> 00:19:08,736 The pro-immigrant movement is larger. 286 00:19:08,736 --> 00:19:15,638 The other side's smaller. 287 00:19:15,638 --> 00:19:17,117 PABLO: Anything else? 288 00:19:17,117 --> 00:19:18,103 FEMALE SPEAKER: [INAUDIBLE] circle. 289 00:19:18,103 --> 00:19:28,949 [INAUDIBLE]. 290 00:19:28,949 --> 00:19:35,358 So people being arrested here could also be at 291 00:19:35,358 --> 00:19:36,837 that end over there. 292 00:19:36,837 --> 00:19:38,316 Those people before their arrested. 293 00:19:38,316 --> 00:19:40,490 So it could almost be a circle. 294 00:19:40,490 --> 00:19:43,250 Right? 295 00:19:43,250 --> 00:19:45,971 FEMALE SPEAKER: To me, if you look at the other side there 296 00:19:45,971 --> 00:19:47,432 are groups pulling on rows. 297 00:19:47,432 --> 00:19:48,893 It's not just individuals. 298 00:19:48,893 --> 00:19:50,354 They're working with others. 299 00:19:50,354 --> 00:19:54,737 And over here, you have a lot of different individuals. 300 00:19:54,737 --> 00:19:57,068 MALE SPEAKER: In the middle there's a lot of people 301 00:19:57,068 --> 00:20:03,281 sitting around watching TV. 302 00:20:03,281 --> 00:20:08,748 PABLO: Is that a minority or the majority? 303 00:20:08,748 --> 00:20:09,245 OK. 304 00:20:09,245 --> 00:20:11,233 So we're going to sit down and we're going to give the 305 00:20:11,233 --> 00:20:13,121 observers a chance to come and take a look at 306 00:20:13,121 --> 00:20:15,209 a look at the images. 307 00:20:15,209 --> 00:20:49,005 Observers, come on. 308 00:20:49,005 --> 00:21:11,970 Ready to comment, to share? 309 00:21:11,970 --> 00:21:14,420 FEMALE SPEAKER: This side represents a much more diverse 310 00:21:14,420 --> 00:21:23,240 group [INAUDIBLE]. 311 00:21:23,240 --> 00:21:26,180 PABLO: So remember the contrast is 312 00:21:26,180 --> 00:21:31,590 exclusion versus inclusion. 313 00:21:31,590 --> 00:21:37,093 So our fight has, as I mentioned in the beginning, 314 00:21:37,093 --> 00:21:40,905 has been focused only in Washington, DC. 315 00:21:40,905 --> 00:21:45,855 And the idea is that inclusion can take place-- it doesn't 316 00:21:45,855 --> 00:21:47,340 have to come through policy in Washington, 317 00:21:47,340 --> 00:21:49,320 DC, at local levels. 318 00:21:49,320 --> 00:21:52,125 I want you to take a look at the ropes, and tell me what 319 00:21:52,125 --> 00:22:04,170 that means on both sides. 320 00:22:04,170 --> 00:22:06,510 FEMALE SPEAKER: It's like a tug of war. 321 00:22:06,510 --> 00:22:14,990 So you have opposing forces, the mobs. 322 00:22:14,990 --> 00:22:17,047 MALE SPEAKER: A lot of the ropes seem to represent the 323 00:22:17,047 --> 00:22:20,782 tools and things that the people are trying to use to 324 00:22:20,782 --> 00:22:26,758 accomplish [INAUDIBLE]. 325 00:22:26,758 --> 00:22:29,248 FEMALE SPEAKER: I think it shows how complex the whole 326 00:22:29,248 --> 00:22:32,734 issue is, and how difficult it is to solve. 327 00:22:32,734 --> 00:22:37,216 Because the car, immigration movement, is trying to get 328 00:22:37,216 --> 00:22:40,204 some place, but it can't get any place, because it's being 329 00:22:40,204 --> 00:22:45,184 pulled in multiple directions by all the 330 00:22:45,184 --> 00:22:49,515 different issues and ideas. 331 00:22:49,515 --> 00:22:57,600 MALE SPEAKER: [INAUDIBLE]. 332 00:22:57,600 --> 00:23:04,670 PABLO: They get more media coverage, right? 333 00:23:04,670 --> 00:23:06,696 MALE SPEAKER: [INAUDIBLE]. 334 00:23:06,696 --> 00:23:08,400 Total lack of compromise. 335 00:23:08,400 --> 00:23:15,097 PABLO: Total lack of compromise. 336 00:23:15,097 --> 00:23:24,540 FEMALE SPEAKER: In the middle, there seems to be [INAUDIBLE]. 337 00:23:24,540 --> 00:23:28,019 PABLO: So the idea isn't where we are. 338 00:23:28,019 --> 00:23:31,498 What we're saying is that other [INAUDIBLE] 339 00:23:31,498 --> 00:23:34,480 have different ways [INAUDIBLE] 340 00:23:34,480 --> 00:23:39,450 solution at the local level. 341 00:23:39,450 --> 00:23:43,923 You can see it in Arizona. 342 00:23:43,923 --> 00:23:51,875 But our side has also come [INAUDIBLE]. 343 00:23:51,875 --> 00:23:56,845 And the reason why it's in all directions, [INAUDIBLE]. 344 00:23:56,845 --> 00:24:00,821 Those forces cannot come together. 345 00:24:00,821 --> 00:24:03,306 So anything else? 346 00:24:03,306 --> 00:24:07,779 It's a very complex issue, right? 347 00:24:07,779 --> 00:24:10,264 Yes. 348 00:24:10,264 --> 00:24:15,731 OK. 349 00:24:15,731 --> 00:24:19,210 MALE SPEAKER: So at the moment, it gets [INAUDIBLE]. 350 00:24:19,210 --> 00:24:22,689 But if we add more forces than the left side's supposed 351 00:24:22,689 --> 00:24:26,168 [? to be, ?] more and more [INAUDIBLE] in our directions. 352 00:24:26,168 --> 00:24:31,635 PABLO: Can we move up close to the other side? 353 00:24:31,635 --> 00:24:33,126 MALE SPEAKER: I wouldn't put my energy into that. 354 00:24:33,126 --> 00:24:34,655 [INAUDIBLE] 355 00:24:34,655 --> 00:24:38,105 people like us. 356 00:24:38,105 --> 00:24:40,061 PABLO: But what about [? the world ?] 357 00:24:40,061 --> 00:24:41,528 watching TV here? 358 00:24:41,528 --> 00:24:53,753 [INAUDIBLE]. 359 00:24:53,753 --> 00:25:04,996 I mentioned at the beginning, that [INAUDIBLE]. 360 00:25:04,996 --> 00:25:09,353 So right now there is a moment at which we're approaching the 361 00:25:09,353 --> 00:25:13,960 gate, because it's unfolding itself in the [? policies ?] 362 00:25:13,960 --> 00:25:15,454 and the state. 363 00:25:15,454 --> 00:25:19,189 We have to make sure that they're polices of inclusion 364 00:25:19,189 --> 00:25:20,932 [INAUDIBLE]. 365 00:25:20,932 --> 00:25:24,252 And I do think that we can bring folks from this side to 366 00:25:24,252 --> 00:25:24,916 the other side. 367 00:25:24,916 --> 00:25:27,904 And [INAUDIBLE]. 368 00:25:27,904 --> 00:25:31,390 But I think one thing is for sure, we're not winning. 369 00:25:31,390 --> 00:25:34,378 If you can see that-- 370 00:25:34,378 --> 00:25:34,751 what's that called. 371 00:25:34,751 --> 00:25:34,813 [SPANISH]. 372 00:25:34,813 --> 00:25:44,316 [INAUDIBLE]. 373 00:25:44,316 --> 00:25:45,759 Yes. 374 00:25:45,759 --> 00:25:47,210 Yes. 375 00:25:47,210 --> 00:25:54,891 So that's again you know that it's more leaning towards the 376 00:25:54,891 --> 00:25:56,382 other side. 377 00:25:56,382 --> 00:25:58,867 And that is because essentially they are kind of 378 00:25:58,867 --> 00:26:00,855 winning at this momment. 379 00:26:00,855 --> 00:26:02,346 And we need to turn this tide. 380 00:26:02,346 --> 00:26:03,837 We need to turn it the other way. 381 00:26:03,837 --> 00:26:07,316 OK. 382 00:26:07,316 --> 00:26:08,310 That's right. 383 00:26:08,310 --> 00:26:15,790 Could be. 384 00:26:15,790 --> 00:26:25,150 [SPANISH]. 385 00:26:25,150 --> 00:26:25,640 OK. 386 00:26:25,640 --> 00:26:27,600 So you've seen the dilemma. 387 00:26:27,600 --> 00:26:31,275 So the idea is that we're going to see the detainer as 388 00:26:31,275 --> 00:26:34,950 an initiative for inclusion and things that you can 389 00:26:34,950 --> 00:26:37,400 actually do in your own communities. . 390 00:26:37,400 --> 00:26:40,340 So I'm going to have [INAUDIBLE] to come in. 391 00:26:40,340 --> 00:26:44,384 SARAHI: We actually have some amazing actresses, one who 392 00:26:44,384 --> 00:26:47,580 actually left to go to the bathroom. 393 00:26:47,580 --> 00:26:49,780 So I guess I'm going to step in. 394 00:26:49,780 --> 00:26:57,265 So Elena and Gabby. 395 00:26:57,265 --> 00:26:57,764 Hm. 396 00:26:57,764 --> 00:26:59,760 What is this? 397 00:26:59,760 --> 00:27:01,756 FEMALE SPEAKER: This is the ICE pyramid. 398 00:27:01,756 --> 00:27:03,253 SARAHI: The ICE pyramid? 399 00:27:03,253 --> 00:27:04,750 What? 400 00:27:04,750 --> 00:27:05,748 FEMALE SPEAKER: Yeah. 401 00:27:05,748 --> 00:27:07,744 Immigration Customs Enforcement Pyramid. 402 00:27:07,744 --> 00:27:10,239 SARAHI: The Immigration and Customs Enforcement Pyramid? 403 00:27:10,239 --> 00:27:11,736 FEMALE SPEAKER: [INAUDIBLE]. 404 00:27:11,736 --> 00:27:14,730 SARAHI: Actually, I don't really get it. 405 00:27:14,730 --> 00:27:16,726 So what's this? 406 00:27:16,726 --> 00:27:19,700 FEMALE SPEAKER: That right there, my friend, Maybe secure 407 00:27:19,700 --> 00:27:19,890 communities. 408 00:27:19,890 --> 00:27:20,550 SCOM. 409 00:27:20,550 --> 00:27:22,080 SARAHI: That's SCOM, secure communities? 410 00:27:22,080 --> 00:27:25,074 What's that? 411 00:27:25,074 --> 00:27:25,573 FEMALE SPEAKER: SCOM. 412 00:27:25,573 --> 00:27:27,569 Never heard of it. 413 00:27:27,569 --> 00:27:31,561 It's a program that's all over the country right now. 414 00:27:31,561 --> 00:27:35,054 So every time people go to jail their fingerprints get 415 00:27:35,054 --> 00:27:39,545 sent over to ICE. 416 00:27:39,545 --> 00:27:44,036 FEMALE SPEAKER: And what is here is the 287(g) program 417 00:27:44,036 --> 00:27:48,527 that means that if you are stopped and you're driving 418 00:27:48,527 --> 00:27:51,595 undocumented you will be processed for deportation the 419 00:27:51,595 --> 00:27:54,348 day you get arrested? 420 00:27:54,348 --> 00:27:57,123 SARAHI: And what's this last water bottle then? 421 00:27:57,123 --> 00:28:00,504 FEMALE SPEAKER: That's CAP, Criminal Alien Program, one of 422 00:28:00,504 --> 00:28:04,126 the oldest ICE programs that's been around and one of the 423 00:28:04,126 --> 00:28:09,200 first placements into the ICE program. 424 00:28:09,200 --> 00:28:11,945 SARAHI: I want to really take out the 287(g) program, 425 00:28:11,945 --> 00:28:15,616 because there's been a lot of stops in my community. 426 00:28:15,616 --> 00:28:18,031 So how about I take this one out and you guys take the 427 00:28:18,031 --> 00:28:18,997 other two out? 428 00:28:18,997 --> 00:28:19,963 FEMALE SPEAKER: No, No. 429 00:28:19,963 --> 00:28:20,929 No. 430 00:28:20,929 --> 00:28:24,542 I can take one out, and right now we're working on SCOM. 431 00:28:24,542 --> 00:28:29,943 So we can take that one out. 432 00:28:29,943 --> 00:28:33,134 SARAHI: There's still two that are left, so how are we going 433 00:28:33,134 --> 00:28:36,817 to take them all out at the same time? 434 00:28:36,817 --> 00:28:40,798 FEMALE SPEAKER: [INAUDIBLE]. 435 00:28:40,798 --> 00:28:41,766 SARAHI: Oh, wait. 436 00:28:41,766 --> 00:28:50,478 SCOM just came back. 437 00:28:50,478 --> 00:28:53,848 What's another way we can make this entire deportation 438 00:28:53,848 --> 00:28:56,776 pyramid fall apart? 439 00:28:56,776 --> 00:28:59,216 FEMALE SPEAKER: People say we can take CAP out. 440 00:28:59,216 --> 00:29:01,810 So we can try to take CAP out. 441 00:29:01,810 --> 00:29:05,420 FEMALE SPEAKER: Or 287(g) out. 442 00:29:05,420 --> 00:29:06,420 FEMALE SPEAKER: So we have CAP. 443 00:29:06,420 --> 00:29:10,611 We have 287(g) out maybe. 444 00:29:10,611 --> 00:29:14,910 SARAHI: No. 445 00:29:14,910 --> 00:29:15,980 Wait. 446 00:29:15,980 --> 00:29:21,873 So what if they all come back though. 447 00:29:21,873 --> 00:29:23,781 FEMALE SPEAKER: They always get us back. 448 00:29:23,781 --> 00:29:24,258 SARAHI: OK. 449 00:29:24,258 --> 00:29:30,895 So how about we pull this out? 450 00:29:30,895 --> 00:29:34,670 It all falls down. 451 00:29:34,670 --> 00:29:39,840 And this is the ICE container, the immigration detainer. 452 00:29:39,840 --> 00:29:48,160 So let's give it up for Elena and for Gabby. 453 00:29:48,160 --> 00:29:54,430 So that was just a little dramatic interpretation of the 454 00:29:54,430 --> 00:29:59,880 immigration deportation structure and pyramid. 455 00:29:59,880 --> 00:30:03,370 So there are so many different kinds of deportation programs. 456 00:30:03,370 --> 00:30:05,430 There's the Criminal Alien Program. 457 00:30:05,430 --> 00:30:07,810 There's the Secure Communities program. 458 00:30:07,810 --> 00:30:09,520 There's the 287(g) program. 459 00:30:09,520 --> 00:30:13,510 But all of them rely on an immigration detainer. 460 00:30:13,510 --> 00:30:17,080 The immigration detainer is essentially the lynchpin of 461 00:30:17,080 --> 00:30:19,760 all of these deportation programs. 462 00:30:19,760 --> 00:30:25,400 So more specifically what that means is that it's a request 463 00:30:25,400 --> 00:30:30,380 to local law enforcement to hold someone for an extra 48 464 00:30:30,380 --> 00:30:33,330 hours than they normally would, so that they can come 465 00:30:33,330 --> 00:30:37,470 and pick them up so that they take them into their custody. 466 00:30:37,470 --> 00:30:41,860 So it turns out that this little guy 467 00:30:41,860 --> 00:30:44,200 is completely voluntary. 468 00:30:44,200 --> 00:30:47,830 There's nothing forcing local jails and local police 469 00:30:47,830 --> 00:30:50,320 departments across the country to do that. 470 00:30:50,320 --> 00:30:54,860 It's simply a courtesy request to hold someone for those 471 00:30:54,860 --> 00:30:57,206 additional 48 hours. 472 00:30:57,206 --> 00:31:02,530 But this little guy is the difference between someone 473 00:31:02,530 --> 00:31:06,750 going back to their family and someone being deported, and 474 00:31:06,750 --> 00:31:08,600 that's huge. 475 00:31:08,600 --> 00:31:12,553 So that's why we've been targeting this guy. 476 00:31:12,553 --> 00:31:15,650 The federal government says that secure 477 00:31:15,650 --> 00:31:17,210 communities is mandatory. 478 00:31:17,210 --> 00:31:19,060 That's there's nothing we can do about it. 479 00:31:19,060 --> 00:31:21,630 That those fingerprints are going to be forwarded to 480 00:31:21,630 --> 00:31:24,280 immigration and customs enforcement whether 481 00:31:24,280 --> 00:31:25,950 we like it or not. 482 00:31:25,950 --> 00:31:28,690 So fine. 483 00:31:28,690 --> 00:31:30,870 We acknowledge that we've lost that battle in terms of 484 00:31:30,870 --> 00:31:33,940 stopping fingerprints from going to ICE. 485 00:31:33,940 --> 00:31:37,440 But you can't-- 486 00:31:37,440 --> 00:31:41,090 the deportation system doesn't function if people are not 487 00:31:41,090 --> 00:31:45,870 being held in jail, if ICE can't come and pick them up. 488 00:31:45,870 --> 00:31:48,102 So that's why now we're focusing on the back end of 489 00:31:48,102 --> 00:31:52,270 the process, this immigration detainer, and letting law 490 00:31:52,270 --> 00:31:55,373 enforcement and jails across the country know that they 491 00:31:55,373 --> 00:31:58,230 have a decision to make. 492 00:31:58,230 --> 00:32:00,310 Are they going to be accomplices to this 493 00:32:00,310 --> 00:32:04,642 deportation pyramid, to this deportation pipeline that's 494 00:32:04,642 --> 00:32:06,856 disappearing our family members, our 495 00:32:06,856 --> 00:32:08,600 friends, and workers? 496 00:32:08,600 --> 00:32:13,053 Or are they going to stand on the right side, or stand on 497 00:32:13,053 --> 00:32:16,610 the side of love and take this immigration detainer out of 498 00:32:16,610 --> 00:32:20,920 the equation and have people stay with their families and 499 00:32:20,920 --> 00:32:22,837 in other ways restore trust? 500 00:32:22,837 --> 00:32:26,445 So that's in a nutshell why we are targeting this immigration 501 00:32:26,445 --> 00:32:29,510 detainer, why there are campaigns across the country 502 00:32:29,510 --> 00:32:33,910 urging local officials and cities to take a stand to make 503 00:32:33,910 --> 00:32:35,330 the right choice. 504 00:32:35,330 --> 00:32:38,930 Are there any quick clarifying questions before Marisa jumps 505 00:32:38,930 --> 00:32:45,410 into the fundamentals of a campaign? 506 00:32:45,410 --> 00:32:48,458 MALE SPEAKER: What are the other two water bottles? 507 00:32:48,458 --> 00:32:51,266 One was the secure communities. 508 00:32:51,266 --> 00:32:51,734 SARAHI: Yeah. 509 00:32:51,734 --> 00:32:54,930 One of those was the Secure Communities Program. 510 00:32:54,930 --> 00:32:57,565 The other was the Criminal Alien Program, the 511 00:32:57,565 --> 00:32:58,480 oldest of them all. 512 00:32:58,480 --> 00:33:01,825 And the other was the 287(g) program. 513 00:33:01,825 --> 00:33:05,920 And we won't get into specifics of 514 00:33:05,920 --> 00:33:06,990 exactly what they do. 515 00:33:06,990 --> 00:33:11,200 But in other words, they use jails, they use local law 516 00:33:11,200 --> 00:33:14,640 enforcement to do the dirty work of immigration 517 00:33:14,640 --> 00:33:14,910 enforcement. 518 00:33:14,910 --> 00:33:19,500 So they intervene and try to get people through the jails 519 00:33:19,500 --> 00:33:20,790 through this immigration detainer. 520 00:33:20,790 --> 00:33:23,968 MALE SPEAKER: And which part was optional, did you say, was 521 00:33:23,968 --> 00:33:24,422 discretionary? 522 00:33:24,422 --> 00:33:26,560 SARAHI: This, the request from ICE. 523 00:33:26,560 --> 00:33:30,910 So a local law enforcement or a jail can essentially say, 524 00:33:30,910 --> 00:33:32,880 no, we're not going to hold this person 525 00:33:32,880 --> 00:33:35,330 for an extra 48 hours. 526 00:33:35,330 --> 00:33:37,530 The charges were dropped, or they posted bail. 527 00:33:37,530 --> 00:33:41,610 So they're able to walk out and go back to their families 528 00:33:41,610 --> 00:33:42,700 like everyone else. 529 00:33:42,700 --> 00:33:45,180 We're going to have one criminal justice system, not a 530 00:33:45,180 --> 00:33:47,055 two-tiered criminal justice system. 531 00:33:47,055 --> 00:33:51,330 So the reason that we can do these campaigns, that there's 532 00:33:51,330 --> 00:33:55,380 great opportunity for local organizing is that this is 533 00:33:55,380 --> 00:34:00,800 completely voluntary and it's totally in the hands of local 534 00:34:00,800 --> 00:34:03,684 law enforcement and the jail to decide whether they're 535 00:34:03,684 --> 00:34:04,636 going to hold someone or not. 536 00:34:04,636 --> 00:34:07,016 FEMALE SPEAKER: I was under the impression that there's 537 00:34:07,016 --> 00:34:08,206 some legislation to make it not 538 00:34:08,206 --> 00:34:09,872 optional, to make it mandatory. 539 00:34:09,872 --> 00:34:11,300 I hope that's wrong. 540 00:34:11,300 --> 00:34:13,679 SARAHI: I have not heard of legislation to make it 541 00:34:13,679 --> 00:34:16,413 mandatory, but I don't know if others have. 542 00:34:16,413 --> 00:34:18,719 I have not heard about it. 543 00:34:18,719 --> 00:34:22,190 And it's basically a very basic constitutional principle 544 00:34:22,190 --> 00:34:26,560 that the federal can't commandeer the resources of 545 00:34:26,560 --> 00:34:30,385 local governments to do their work. 546 00:34:30,385 --> 00:34:31,375 FEMALE SPEAKER: [INAUDIBLE] 547 00:34:31,375 --> 00:34:35,830 clarification in order to add that those extra 48 hours your 548 00:34:35,830 --> 00:34:38,305 local government has to pay for it. 549 00:34:38,305 --> 00:34:40,780 My local government says, well, no 550 00:34:40,780 --> 00:34:42,760 because it's too much. 551 00:34:42,760 --> 00:34:44,245 How much [INAUDIBLE] 552 00:34:44,245 --> 00:34:46,230 per person. 553 00:34:46,230 --> 00:34:49,052 SARAHI: We're going to take two more questions and then 554 00:34:49,052 --> 00:34:50,498 Marisa is going to jump in. 555 00:34:50,498 --> 00:34:51,300 MALE SPEAKER: Could you repeat her answer, because 556 00:34:51,300 --> 00:34:51,949 it was not on mic? 557 00:34:51,949 --> 00:34:56,670 SARAHI: So she just actually added that those 48 hours are 558 00:34:56,670 --> 00:35:01,180 at a cost to local governments and they 559 00:35:01,180 --> 00:35:02,635 also incur the liability. 560 00:35:02,635 --> 00:35:05,230 But of course, there's also the human cost. 561 00:35:05,230 --> 00:35:08,970 Families being separated and also public safety, the fact 562 00:35:08,970 --> 00:35:10,850 that people are not going to call the police if they 563 00:35:10,850 --> 00:35:14,290 perceive them as doing immigration's job. 564 00:35:14,290 --> 00:35:15,910 MALE SPEAKER: I have a question. 565 00:35:15,910 --> 00:35:17,890 SARAHI: OK. 566 00:35:17,890 --> 00:35:20,528 MALE SPEAKER: I'm beginning to understand what you're saying. 567 00:35:20,528 --> 00:35:28,820 This detention takes place not because they're illegal 568 00:35:28,820 --> 00:35:32,528 immigrants, but for some other reason what the local law 569 00:35:32,528 --> 00:35:33,896 enforcement is doing. 570 00:35:33,896 --> 00:35:37,140 But then they can hold them because-- 571 00:35:37,140 --> 00:35:38,750 I think It's kind of a complicated question. 572 00:35:38,750 --> 00:35:40,036 SARAHI: So that's good. 573 00:35:40,036 --> 00:35:41,524 Do you want to jump in? 574 00:35:41,524 --> 00:35:43,012 FEMALE SPEAKER: Can you repeat the question for the people 575 00:35:43,012 --> 00:35:45,492 who couldn't hear? 576 00:35:45,492 --> 00:35:49,212 HACINTA: I think essentially the question is how does an 577 00:35:49,212 --> 00:35:52,601 immigration detainer-- we call them hold requests, because we 578 00:35:52,601 --> 00:35:54,668 people hear detainer they sometimes think it's 579 00:35:54,668 --> 00:35:56,159 obligatory or something to do with the 580 00:35:56,159 --> 00:35:57,130 criminal justice system. 581 00:35:57,130 --> 00:35:59,460 But it is, like [INAUDIBLE] was saying, just a request. 582 00:35:59,460 --> 00:36:02,990 So the way it works is once someone gets caught up in the 583 00:36:02,990 --> 00:36:05,730 criminal justice system, they're arrested, there are 584 00:36:05,730 --> 00:36:08,940 different ways-- we showed the different water bottles, that 585 00:36:08,940 --> 00:36:10,924 someone can trigger a hold request. 586 00:36:10,924 --> 00:36:15,217 There can be an ICE agent going inside of a jail saying, 587 00:36:15,217 --> 00:36:17,125 hold on, Gabby looks a little suspect. 588 00:36:17,125 --> 00:36:19,050 She doesn't look like she's from here. 589 00:36:19,050 --> 00:36:21,960 Or it can be because her fingerprints were taken and it 590 00:36:21,960 --> 00:36:24,900 sent a leak to the federal government that you had some 591 00:36:24,900 --> 00:36:26,860 sort of previous immigration history. 592 00:36:26,860 --> 00:36:28,330 Either of those work. 593 00:36:28,330 --> 00:36:30,290 The thing about hold requests is that they're not based on 594 00:36:30,290 --> 00:36:31,760 any sort of real probable cause. 595 00:36:31,760 --> 00:36:33,720 So they don't have to have any proof. 596 00:36:33,720 --> 00:36:37,395 Simply being Latino or simply having an accent can be enough 597 00:36:37,395 --> 00:36:39,110 to get the hold request. 598 00:36:39,110 --> 00:36:43,970 And then that's when the local law enforcement agency has to 599 00:36:43,970 --> 00:36:45,890 decide will I keep this person longer 600 00:36:45,890 --> 00:36:48,050 based on that suspicion? 601 00:36:48,050 --> 00:36:51,098 Will I pay to make sure that someone else comes to 602 00:36:51,098 --> 00:36:51,345 investigate? 603 00:36:51,345 --> 00:36:53,317 So at that point, they don't have proof. 604 00:36:53,317 --> 00:36:54,796 They don't really know what's going on. 605 00:36:54,796 --> 00:36:58,740 They're just paying because of racial profiling. 606 00:36:58,740 --> 00:36:59,726 SARAHI: Thanks, Hacinta. 607 00:36:59,726 --> 00:37:03,670 And final question. 608 00:37:03,670 --> 00:37:04,163 FEMALE SPEAKER: Yeah. 609 00:37:04,163 --> 00:37:08,846 Will ICE try and find the person, or do they just give 610 00:37:08,846 --> 00:37:13,060 up if they've been released from jail? 611 00:37:13,060 --> 00:37:17,175 SARAHI: So in some cases where these progressive policies 612 00:37:17,175 --> 00:37:20,870 have been enacted, ICE have changed their tactics to try 613 00:37:20,870 --> 00:37:25,700 to get around the policies so ICE will go knock on people's 614 00:37:25,700 --> 00:37:29,915 doors or try to catch people when they're showing up to 615 00:37:29,915 --> 00:37:30,800 their court hearings. 616 00:37:30,800 --> 00:37:35,530 So yeah, ICE still can go and try and find the person. 617 00:37:35,530 --> 00:37:41,330 But it's much harder for them to do that for 400,000 people. 618 00:37:41,330 --> 00:37:45,190 It takes a lot more resources on ICE's end, and the reality 619 00:37:45,190 --> 00:37:49,110 is that they're not going to be able to grab everyone. 620 00:37:49,110 --> 00:37:53,490 And it also just makes it very clear that local law 621 00:37:53,490 --> 00:37:56,680 enforcement is not going to do ICE's dirty work. 622 00:37:56,680 --> 00:38:06,522 So with that, I want to turn it over to Marisa. 623 00:38:06,522 --> 00:38:10,500 MARISA: OK. 624 00:38:10,500 --> 00:38:11,690 OK. 625 00:38:11,690 --> 00:38:12,510 How's everybody doing? 626 00:38:12,510 --> 00:38:12,790 Good. 627 00:38:12,790 --> 00:38:15,502 It's a little bit complicated, right? 628 00:38:15,502 --> 00:38:17,590 Sometimes. 629 00:38:17,590 --> 00:38:21,244 The thing with it is it's essentially a way, what ICE 630 00:38:21,244 --> 00:38:25,385 has done through the federal deportation programs, at its 631 00:38:25,385 --> 00:38:28,303 very essence, they have multiplied their force. 632 00:38:28,303 --> 00:38:31,300 They have multiplied their force, and they have multiple 633 00:38:31,300 --> 00:38:32,810 their capacity. 634 00:38:32,810 --> 00:38:35,240 And so, that's the basic fundamental things. 635 00:38:35,240 --> 00:38:38,870 So the strategy when you try to kick the chairs, you're 636 00:38:38,870 --> 00:38:42,140 trying to make that more difficult. 637 00:38:42,140 --> 00:38:46,010 You're trying to make it to where they can't be delegating 638 00:38:46,010 --> 00:38:48,970 and outsourcing and essentially multiplying their 639 00:38:48,970 --> 00:38:54,002 capacity to separate families to detain, deport, and 640 00:38:54,002 --> 00:38:55,360 criminalize. 641 00:38:55,360 --> 00:38:55,990 That's the basic thing. 642 00:38:55,990 --> 00:38:59,990 So what we're going to do now is to get into a little bit 643 00:38:59,990 --> 00:39:03,570 about how do we actually make that happen. 644 00:39:03,570 --> 00:39:06,000 What are the ways that we can do this? 645 00:39:06,000 --> 00:39:09,540 Yesterday, we had a workshop on right to remain. 646 00:39:09,540 --> 00:39:11,020 We had Hacinta and Rico-- 647 00:39:11,020 --> 00:39:13,980 I don't know where he is now-- but they presented on some of 648 00:39:13,980 --> 00:39:16,910 the ways we've been able to do that on a very local level. 649 00:39:16,910 --> 00:39:21,240 This, in the same way, is a type of campaign that you can 650 00:39:21,240 --> 00:39:27,202 do in your local town and can actually have some ability to 651 00:39:27,202 --> 00:39:29,720 help knock that little pyramid down. 652 00:39:29,720 --> 00:39:33,200 So the very basic way we're going to get into it is in a 653 00:39:33,200 --> 00:39:35,680 campaign, once you have a clear, you understand what the 654 00:39:35,680 --> 00:39:37,590 problem is and you have a sense of how you 655 00:39:37,590 --> 00:39:38,370 want to solve it. 656 00:39:38,370 --> 00:39:41,280 In this case, what we're going to focus on is 657 00:39:41,280 --> 00:39:42,480 detainers, ICE holds. 658 00:39:42,480 --> 00:39:46,050 We want to break ICE's hold on our community. 659 00:39:46,050 --> 00:39:49,330 So once we know that, the basic things we have to be 660 00:39:49,330 --> 00:39:52,930 able to answer and move out on is where are our tactics? 661 00:39:52,930 --> 00:39:53,620 What's our timeline? 662 00:39:53,620 --> 00:39:56,640 And who's our target? 663 00:39:56,640 --> 00:39:59,040 So what we're going to do first is get a little bit into 664 00:39:59,040 --> 00:40:01,450 what are each of these things. 665 00:40:01,450 --> 00:40:05,940 Give each other's examples, some criteria, right. 666 00:40:05,940 --> 00:40:07,635 There's ways of doing that that have been successful, 667 00:40:07,635 --> 00:40:09,590 that all of us have probably heard of. 668 00:40:09,590 --> 00:40:11,955 And probably something you have all experimented with but 669 00:40:11,955 --> 00:40:13,880 haven't gotten that successfully. 670 00:40:13,880 --> 00:40:16,270 So just to get into some of that. 671 00:40:16,270 --> 00:40:19,395 But then we're going to do some small groups, or pair 672 00:40:19,395 --> 00:40:22,236 share, where you can brainstorm essentially on this 673 00:40:22,236 --> 00:40:23,440 particular issue. 674 00:40:23,440 --> 00:40:26,980 Some tactics, a timeline, hooks, who would be 675 00:40:26,980 --> 00:40:29,560 targets in your area. 676 00:40:29,560 --> 00:40:31,397 So tactics. 677 00:40:31,397 --> 00:40:33,385 [SPANISH]. 678 00:40:33,385 --> 00:40:36,864 What is a tactic? 679 00:40:36,864 --> 00:40:39,860 FEMALE SPEAKER: A method. 680 00:40:39,860 --> 00:40:41,289 MARISA: So a method. 681 00:40:41,289 --> 00:40:42,696 FEMALE SPEAKER: A strategy. 682 00:40:42,696 --> 00:40:44,103 MARISA: A strategy. 683 00:40:44,103 --> 00:40:45,510 FEMALE SPEAKER: An action step. 684 00:40:45,510 --> 00:40:46,800 MARISA: So some people are saying strategy 685 00:40:46,800 --> 00:40:49,350 and tactic are different. 686 00:40:49,350 --> 00:40:52,170 Who would like to explain what the difference is? 687 00:40:52,170 --> 00:40:55,770 BLAKE: It's macro and micro. 688 00:40:55,770 --> 00:40:57,733 It's the difference between macro and micro. 689 00:40:57,733 --> 00:41:01,246 I guess the strategy is the overall what we want to do as 690 00:41:01,246 --> 00:41:02,610 far as getting rid of the hold requests. 691 00:41:02,610 --> 00:41:05,006 A tactic would be what are the individual pieces that go into 692 00:41:05,006 --> 00:41:05,992 making that happen? 693 00:41:05,992 --> 00:41:23,247 MARISA: [INAUDIBLE]. 694 00:41:23,247 --> 00:41:27,960 MALE SPEAKER: Well, the tactic might be something you enable 695 00:41:27,960 --> 00:41:31,376 after you have a strategy or a target. 696 00:41:31,376 --> 00:41:36,305 I might say it's sort of like the how. 697 00:41:36,305 --> 00:41:46,343 The tactic means how, and then the strategy would be what. 698 00:41:46,343 --> 00:41:50,693 MALE SPEAKER: I think of tactics as action steps. 699 00:41:50,693 --> 00:41:51,116 MARISA: Great. 700 00:41:51,116 --> 00:41:54,570 I think you got it. 701 00:41:54,570 --> 00:41:57,740 MALE SPEAKER: Also, a strategy would be to take the hill. 702 00:41:57,740 --> 00:42:04,420 The tactic would be to use machine guns and troops. 703 00:42:04,420 --> 00:42:09,220 MARISA: OK. 704 00:42:09,220 --> 00:42:11,910 So I think we collectively got it. 705 00:42:11,910 --> 00:42:12,380 Right. 706 00:42:12,380 --> 00:42:13,890 So I think-- 707 00:42:13,890 --> 00:42:14,373 BLAKE: Blake. 708 00:42:14,373 --> 00:42:15,339 MARISA: Blake. 709 00:42:15,339 --> 00:42:18,290 Blake was like the macro and the micro. 710 00:42:18,290 --> 00:42:22,960 So in some ways, we kind of laid out that this is not 711 00:42:22,960 --> 00:42:24,180 prescriptive. 712 00:42:24,180 --> 00:42:27,220 But for the purposes of the workshop, we kind of laid out 713 00:42:27,220 --> 00:42:27,820 what the strategy was. 714 00:42:27,820 --> 00:42:32,120 We want as a strategy to take down or debilitate this 715 00:42:32,120 --> 00:42:33,130 deportation dragnet. 716 00:42:33,130 --> 00:42:38,050 We want to attack the mechanism that allows for ICE 717 00:42:38,050 --> 00:42:41,346 to be able to outsource and delegate their dirty work to 718 00:42:41,346 --> 00:42:42,480 local police. 719 00:42:42,480 --> 00:42:46,635 And attacking ICE holds and the detainer policies is a way 720 00:42:46,635 --> 00:42:47,330 to do that. 721 00:42:47,330 --> 00:42:47,870 And that's a strategy. 722 00:42:47,870 --> 00:42:50,675 So tactic, the activity, the method, the 723 00:42:50,675 --> 00:42:52,600 how, the what, right. 724 00:42:52,600 --> 00:42:55,390 So let's think of some examples. 725 00:42:55,390 --> 00:42:59,182 What are some examples of tactics of activities? 726 00:42:59,182 --> 00:43:02,030 FEMALE SPEAKER: Go see the mayor of the city or county. 727 00:43:02,030 --> 00:43:03,040 MARISA: So go visit-- 728 00:43:03,040 --> 00:43:04,020 FEMALE SPEAKER: City council. 729 00:43:04,020 --> 00:43:04,595 MARISA: City council. 730 00:43:04,595 --> 00:43:06,040 Elected officials. 731 00:43:06,040 --> 00:43:07,704 MALE SPEAKER: Start a petition campaign. 732 00:43:07,704 --> 00:43:09,150 MARISA: Start a petition campaign. 733 00:43:09,150 --> 00:43:09,620 Perfect. 734 00:43:09,620 --> 00:43:10,480 FEMALE SPEAKER: Boycott. 735 00:43:10,480 --> 00:43:13,470 MARISA: Boycott. 736 00:43:13,470 --> 00:43:15,440 MALE SPEAKER: Public education outreach. 737 00:43:15,440 --> 00:43:16,850 Make people aware. 738 00:43:16,850 --> 00:43:18,370 MARISA: Public education outreach. 739 00:43:18,370 --> 00:43:19,500 Making people aware. 740 00:43:19,500 --> 00:43:21,380 FEMALE SPEAKER: Go to local law enforcement. 741 00:43:21,380 --> 00:43:22,320 Talk to the heads there. 742 00:43:22,320 --> 00:43:23,025 MARISA: Visit folks. 743 00:43:23,025 --> 00:43:23,260 Yes. 744 00:43:23,260 --> 00:43:25,610 Delegation visits. 745 00:43:25,610 --> 00:43:28,270 MALE SPEAKER: I just wanted to point out that in our-- 746 00:43:28,270 --> 00:43:29,280 this is Nebraska-- 747 00:43:29,280 --> 00:43:32,350 there's one police department that doesn't want to be 748 00:43:32,350 --> 00:43:33,220 involved with ICE. 749 00:43:33,220 --> 00:43:37,250 And they decided on their own just to absent themselves. 750 00:43:37,250 --> 00:43:39,220 Another large police department that would need to 751 00:43:39,220 --> 00:43:43,450 be forced to get out of the program by the city council, 752 00:43:43,450 --> 00:43:45,210 and depending on which you think you need, it's a whole 753 00:43:45,210 --> 00:43:47,976 different set of tactics. 754 00:43:47,976 --> 00:43:49,552 MARISA: What would be some examples of 755 00:43:49,552 --> 00:43:50,820 tactics in that scenario? 756 00:43:50,820 --> 00:43:53,850 MALE SPEAKER: Well, in the situation, Lincoln, Nebraska, 757 00:43:53,850 --> 00:43:56,790 which has absented itself, effectively you have a 758 00:43:56,790 --> 00:43:59,580 progressive police chief who has been talking with his 759 00:43:59,580 --> 00:44:02,800 colleagues around the country saying it costs too much and 760 00:44:02,800 --> 00:44:05,560 this is stupid for us to put ourselves in conflict with our 761 00:44:05,560 --> 00:44:07,090 immigrant community. 762 00:44:07,090 --> 00:44:09,860 Whereas the police chief in Omaha, he needs to have the 763 00:44:09,860 --> 00:44:12,990 city council tell him to stop doing it. 764 00:44:12,990 --> 00:44:15,690 And that's a political organizing process. 765 00:44:15,690 --> 00:44:16,650 MARISA: OK. 766 00:44:16,650 --> 00:44:18,740 MALE SPEAKER: Well, in the old civil rights movement, they 767 00:44:18,740 --> 00:44:20,125 had a tactic of fill the jails. 768 00:44:20,125 --> 00:44:22,910 FEMALE SPEAKER: Could you give him the mic? 769 00:44:22,910 --> 00:44:25,530 MALE SPEAKER: In the old civil rights movement they had a 770 00:44:25,530 --> 00:44:27,410 tactic of fill the jails. 771 00:44:27,410 --> 00:44:29,318 So we could get ourselves arrested and all say we're 772 00:44:29,318 --> 00:44:35,460 from Honduras and speak Spanish or whatever. 773 00:44:35,460 --> 00:44:37,528 MALE SPEAKER: Under the idea that there is strength in 774 00:44:37,528 --> 00:44:40,470 numbers, I would say to build the coalitions of other 775 00:44:40,470 --> 00:44:44,040 like-minded group in our area who might want to join us in 776 00:44:44,040 --> 00:44:45,024 this activity. 777 00:44:45,024 --> 00:44:47,980 Rather than try and go alone. 778 00:44:47,980 --> 00:44:48,680 MARISA: OK. 779 00:44:48,680 --> 00:44:51,735 So those are some examples of tactics. 780 00:44:51,735 --> 00:44:52,226 Right. 781 00:44:52,226 --> 00:44:56,040 There are some that are a little bit bigger. 782 00:44:56,040 --> 00:44:59,240 Like the boycott is sometimes used as a strategy. 783 00:44:59,240 --> 00:45:04,235 Or the coalition is sometimes as a strategy, but it is an 784 00:45:04,235 --> 00:45:06,020 activity as well. 785 00:45:06,020 --> 00:45:11,200 Just really quickly, what are important criteria to take 786 00:45:11,200 --> 00:45:15,720 into consideration when developing tactics. 787 00:45:15,720 --> 00:45:17,694 So what makes good tactics. 788 00:45:17,694 --> 00:45:19,622 MALE SPEAKER: Will it work? 789 00:45:19,622 --> 00:45:23,960 MALE SPEAKER: We need to know if in fact your community is 790 00:45:23,960 --> 00:45:26,492 doing this or not. 791 00:45:26,492 --> 00:45:30,920 And if they are doing it, how the decision-making process 792 00:45:30,920 --> 00:45:32,888 brought them to that. 793 00:45:32,888 --> 00:45:35,840 Otherwise, you can't play it [INAUDIBLE]. 794 00:45:35,840 --> 00:45:38,330 MARISA: So being able to know if your community is doing it 795 00:45:38,330 --> 00:45:40,290 or not, being informed of what the practice is. 796 00:45:40,290 --> 00:45:43,336 Otherwise, you can't plan a good tactic. 797 00:45:43,336 --> 00:45:45,756 FEMALE SPEAKER: Fundamentally, it's action. 798 00:45:45,756 --> 00:45:49,640 It's something you actually, concretely do. 799 00:45:49,640 --> 00:45:51,080 MARISA: So can we pull it off? 800 00:45:51,080 --> 00:45:52,885 Very basic, very important. 801 00:45:52,885 --> 00:45:56,328 A mistake I think probably all of us have probably made at 802 00:45:56,328 --> 00:45:56,562 some point. 803 00:45:56,562 --> 00:45:59,370 FEMALE SPEAKER: So you need to think about blow back. 804 00:45:59,370 --> 00:46:00,800 Are there going to be side effects that are going to be 805 00:46:00,800 --> 00:46:02,810 worse if you do a particular tactic? 806 00:46:02,810 --> 00:46:06,450 MARISA: So will there be blow back? 807 00:46:06,450 --> 00:46:10,000 MALE SPEAKER: Think about tactics that move us to 808 00:46:10,000 --> 00:46:13,245 achieve our immediate goal, but also build the movement so 809 00:46:13,245 --> 00:46:15,205 we can knock all the water bottles out eventually. 810 00:46:15,205 --> 00:46:16,155 MARISA: Right. 811 00:46:16,155 --> 00:46:18,060 So is it making us stronger? 812 00:46:18,060 --> 00:46:18,620 MALE SPEAKER: Right. 813 00:46:18,620 --> 00:46:20,754 So tactics will build our strategy. 814 00:46:20,754 --> 00:46:21,216 MARISA: Right. 815 00:46:21,216 --> 00:46:23,910 And in some ways, that connects to what kind of blow 816 00:46:23,910 --> 00:46:25,490 back and what would be the impact. 817 00:46:25,490 --> 00:46:26,320 Right? 818 00:46:26,320 --> 00:46:28,015 Does this help us get bigger? 819 00:46:28,015 --> 00:46:29,570 Or will it isolate us? 820 00:46:29,570 --> 00:46:30,870 Something to consider. 821 00:46:30,870 --> 00:46:32,485 So we'll take a couple more, and then we're 822 00:46:32,485 --> 00:46:33,072 going to move forward. 823 00:46:33,072 --> 00:46:34,740 FEMALE SPEAKER: What's it going to cost and who's going 824 00:46:34,740 --> 00:46:35,090 to pay for it? 825 00:46:35,090 --> 00:46:35,730 MARISA: What's it going to cost? 826 00:46:35,730 --> 00:46:37,158 And who's going to pay for it? 827 00:46:37,158 --> 00:46:39,354 MALE SPEAKER: I like a tactic that's within my 828 00:46:39,354 --> 00:46:40,574 constituency's experience. 829 00:46:40,574 --> 00:46:44,722 So for a lot of congregations, maybe a prayer in, pray in, 830 00:46:44,722 --> 00:46:45,454 that we all hold. 831 00:46:45,454 --> 00:46:48,870 And then outside the enemy's experience, something that 832 00:46:48,870 --> 00:46:50,334 shakes them up. 833 00:46:50,334 --> 00:46:50,822 MARISA: Yes. 834 00:46:50,822 --> 00:46:53,994 It's one of the major tenants of Rules for 835 00:46:53,994 --> 00:46:54,990 Radicals by Saul Alinsky. 836 00:46:54,990 --> 00:46:57,810 So something that is within the experience of your 837 00:46:57,810 --> 00:47:01,830 constituency or your community and is outside the experience 838 00:47:01,830 --> 00:47:04,190 of your opposition. 839 00:47:04,190 --> 00:47:08,600 So I'll take this through and keep moving. 840 00:47:08,600 --> 00:47:11,295 FEMALE SPEAKER: I think you really need to understand who 841 00:47:11,295 --> 00:47:15,454 your community is so that you have an understanding-- 842 00:47:15,454 --> 00:47:19,440 I've heard bits and pieces of that-- so you have an 843 00:47:19,440 --> 00:47:21,757 understanding of whether the tactic that you choose is 844 00:47:21,757 --> 00:47:23,504 going be successful or not. 845 00:47:23,504 --> 00:47:26,997 So the man from Nebraska, the tactics that he would choose 846 00:47:26,997 --> 00:47:30,490 in Lincoln are going to be different from the tactics 847 00:47:30,490 --> 00:47:33,484 that he would choose in Omaha, because he educated himself 848 00:47:33,484 --> 00:47:36,977 first to find out what's going to be effective in that 849 00:47:36,977 --> 00:47:38,973 particular community. 850 00:47:38,973 --> 00:47:39,480 MARISA: OK. 851 00:47:39,480 --> 00:47:41,950 So let's go on to target. 852 00:47:41,950 --> 00:47:42,790 Yes. 853 00:47:42,790 --> 00:47:44,030 Let's go to target. 854 00:47:44,030 --> 00:47:45,290 So target. 855 00:47:45,290 --> 00:47:48,230 Very basic definition of a target. 856 00:47:48,230 --> 00:47:51,660 Who can provide that? 857 00:47:51,660 --> 00:47:56,070 FEMALE SPEAKER: [INAUDIBLE]. 858 00:47:56,070 --> 00:47:58,040 MARISA: How do we know what result we want? 859 00:47:58,040 --> 00:48:00,975 So we say who's the target of your campaign? 860 00:48:00,975 --> 00:48:02,814 What does that mean? 861 00:48:02,814 --> 00:48:04,722 MALE SPEAKER: What's the specific goal? 862 00:48:04,722 --> 00:48:08,061 What's the outcome that you're trying to get? 863 00:48:08,061 --> 00:48:09,970 MALE SPEAKER: People that are affected. 864 00:48:09,970 --> 00:48:11,664 MARISA: People that are affected. 865 00:48:11,664 --> 00:48:13,788 MALE SPEAKER: I think a person or persons that 866 00:48:13,788 --> 00:48:15,912 can change the policy. 867 00:48:15,912 --> 00:48:18,695 So if we want the county government to no longer 868 00:48:18,695 --> 00:48:22,646 cooperate with ICE, who at the county government can make 869 00:48:22,646 --> 00:48:23,602 that decision? 870 00:48:23,602 --> 00:48:23,841 Comptroller? 871 00:48:23,841 --> 00:48:25,514 The county executive? 872 00:48:25,514 --> 00:48:27,904 MARISA: So very specific. 873 00:48:27,904 --> 00:48:33,430 The person or persons that can meet your demand. 874 00:48:33,430 --> 00:48:36,740 Sometimes, it's not a policy, whatever your demand is. 875 00:48:36,740 --> 00:48:41,726 So you're primary target is the person or persons who have 876 00:48:41,726 --> 00:48:44,648 the ability to meet the demand. 877 00:48:44,648 --> 00:48:47,083 MALE SPEAKER: That's true, but you may need to get the 878 00:48:47,083 --> 00:48:48,550 general public behind it. 879 00:48:48,550 --> 00:48:48,880 MARISA: Right. 880 00:48:48,880 --> 00:48:51,610 But the general public-- so in this case, let's just take the 881 00:48:51,610 --> 00:48:56,160 detainer, the ICE hold, right, there is a person who has, 882 00:48:56,160 --> 00:48:59,150 through authority of a position, a power they're 883 00:48:59,150 --> 00:49:02,140 elected or they're an appointed person, who actually 884 00:49:02,140 --> 00:49:03,950 gets to make decisions about that. 885 00:49:03,950 --> 00:49:05,735 General public would be audience. 886 00:49:05,735 --> 00:49:07,200 We want to be sure to educate people. 887 00:49:07,200 --> 00:49:09,340 And their opinion matters. 888 00:49:09,340 --> 00:49:12,860 But the person who has the direct decision-making power 889 00:49:12,860 --> 00:49:15,248 to make that decision is your target. 890 00:49:15,248 --> 00:49:17,692 MALE SPEAKER: Then there has to be a financial benefit. 891 00:49:17,692 --> 00:49:18,680 MARISA: Sometimes. 892 00:49:18,680 --> 00:49:19,668 Sometimes not. 893 00:49:19,668 --> 00:49:21,490 MALE SPEAKER: Or could be a social benefit. 894 00:49:21,490 --> 00:49:21,830 MARISA: Right. 895 00:49:21,830 --> 00:49:28,710 MALE SPEAKER: But financial is the strongest benefit. 896 00:49:28,710 --> 00:49:30,670 MARISA: In some cases. 897 00:49:30,670 --> 00:49:33,360 I've seen in some cases where it's not. 898 00:49:33,360 --> 00:49:34,910 It just depends on where you are. 899 00:49:34,910 --> 00:49:38,340 But then, there's this thing-- just to quickly introduce-- 900 00:49:38,340 --> 00:49:48,630 have people heard of this concept of a secondary target? 901 00:49:48,630 --> 00:49:52,210 MALE SPEAKER: I mean, in World War II bombing campaigns, 902 00:49:52,210 --> 00:49:56,296 bombardiers would get a list of main targets and then if it 903 00:49:56,296 --> 00:50:00,512 was cloudy or for some reason they couldn't hit the main 904 00:50:00,512 --> 00:50:02,710 targets, they would have a list of secondary targets so 905 00:50:02,710 --> 00:50:11,770 they wouldn't waste all that fuel and not drop any bombs. 906 00:50:11,770 --> 00:50:14,010 FEMALE SPEAKER: A secondary target is someone or some 907 00:50:14,010 --> 00:50:19,358 institution that can help you access your primary target. 908 00:50:19,358 --> 00:50:20,350 MARISA: Got it. 909 00:50:20,350 --> 00:50:23,270 So influences the decision-maker. 910 00:50:23,270 --> 00:50:26,684 My favorite example, how many people heard about Boycott the 911 00:50:26,684 --> 00:50:29,720 Bell and the campaign of the Coalition 912 00:50:29,720 --> 00:50:30,970 of Immokalee Workers? 913 00:50:30,970 --> 00:50:32,970 How many people have heard of that? 914 00:50:32,970 --> 00:50:35,900 Boycott Taco Bell? 915 00:50:35,900 --> 00:50:39,760 Couple years ago, this organization in Southern 916 00:50:39,760 --> 00:50:45,070 Florida farm workers, who mostly pick tomatoes, they 917 00:50:45,070 --> 00:50:49,090 successfully negotiated a contract by launching a 918 00:50:49,090 --> 00:50:50,880 national, probably international 919 00:50:50,880 --> 00:50:52,970 campaign, on Taco Bell. 920 00:50:52,970 --> 00:50:54,855 Who was their primary target? 921 00:50:54,855 --> 00:50:56,835 It wasn't Taco Bell. 922 00:50:56,835 --> 00:50:57,825 MALE SPEAKER: The grower. 923 00:50:57,825 --> 00:50:59,470 MARISA: The grower was their target. 924 00:50:59,470 --> 00:51:02,200 For years, and years, and years, and years, they tried 925 00:51:02,200 --> 00:51:07,030 to organize and compel this person to meet their demands. 926 00:51:07,030 --> 00:51:07,670 Couldn't do it. 927 00:51:07,670 --> 00:51:10,340 Eventually made the decision, well, who does 928 00:51:10,340 --> 00:51:11,790 our grower care about? 929 00:51:11,790 --> 00:51:15,060 Because he don't really care about us. 930 00:51:15,060 --> 00:51:18,920 Well, Taco Bell was one of their main-- 931 00:51:18,920 --> 00:51:21,690 they sold to Taco Bell. 932 00:51:21,690 --> 00:51:24,130 So then they went after Taco Bell, and Taco Bell 933 00:51:24,130 --> 00:51:25,290 indirectly. 934 00:51:25,290 --> 00:51:27,420 So Taco Bell was a secondary target. 935 00:51:27,420 --> 00:51:30,440 So sometimes, you can do that. 936 00:51:30,440 --> 00:51:31,615 It depends on the situation. 937 00:51:31,615 --> 00:51:34,890 And as you can see in that situation, it made sense. 938 00:51:34,890 --> 00:51:36,070 That was a target that they could 939 00:51:36,070 --> 00:51:38,686 actually publicly go after. 940 00:51:38,686 --> 00:51:41,450 A grower is much more difficult. 941 00:51:41,450 --> 00:51:44,220 So then we'll do timing. 942 00:51:44,220 --> 00:51:50,690 So when we say timing, I think it's two different elements. 943 00:51:50,690 --> 00:51:53,630 There's the element of just how your campaign goes. 944 00:51:53,630 --> 00:51:56,013 So when you first start, and you're hey, 945 00:51:56,013 --> 00:51:56,940 we're going to go visit. 946 00:51:56,940 --> 00:51:58,400 Hey, we're going to investigate. 947 00:51:58,400 --> 00:52:00,800 Hey, we want to demonstrate the problem. 948 00:52:00,800 --> 00:52:02,870 And then you start engaging your target. 949 00:52:02,870 --> 00:52:05,891 And then, the target is going to respond and probably going 950 00:52:05,891 --> 00:52:07,042 to say, oh no. 951 00:52:07,042 --> 00:52:07,535 Sorry. 952 00:52:07,535 --> 00:52:08,028 Can't do it. 953 00:52:08,028 --> 00:52:09,014 Not going to do it. 954 00:52:09,014 --> 00:52:09,507 Who are you? 955 00:52:09,507 --> 00:52:11,340 I don't really care. 956 00:52:11,340 --> 00:52:12,910 And then you start to escalate. 957 00:52:12,910 --> 00:52:17,172 So there's a basic flow of time. 958 00:52:17,172 --> 00:52:19,040 So that's timeline. 959 00:52:19,040 --> 00:52:24,545 So sometimes, when you first start, people are like, we 960 00:52:24,545 --> 00:52:26,680 need to go in and barge in and da, da, da. 961 00:52:26,680 --> 00:52:28,680 And it's like the very first step. 962 00:52:28,680 --> 00:52:31,450 It's probably not the right timing. 963 00:52:31,450 --> 00:52:33,855 But then on the other side, sometimes people 964 00:52:33,855 --> 00:52:34,790 never want to escalate. 965 00:52:34,790 --> 00:52:36,740 And you keep doing the same thing, the same thing, the 966 00:52:36,740 --> 00:52:38,810 same thing, you get the same results. 967 00:52:38,810 --> 00:52:40,420 So, timeline. 968 00:52:40,420 --> 00:52:45,280 The other thing is what events, or what are hooks or 969 00:52:45,280 --> 00:52:49,500 handles that you can use to be able to push 970 00:52:49,500 --> 00:52:51,688 your campaign forward. 971 00:52:51,688 --> 00:52:56,680 So thinking of timing, timeline, timing. 972 00:52:56,680 --> 00:52:59,410 So one example, like someone talked about the 973 00:52:59,410 --> 00:53:01,980 importance of finance. 974 00:53:01,980 --> 00:53:07,450 If there's an argument to be made around the fiscal, why 975 00:53:07,450 --> 00:53:10,770 would we be holding people if it's going to cost us. 976 00:53:10,770 --> 00:53:12,690 We don't want our money to go towards that. 977 00:53:12,690 --> 00:53:14,130 Budget timing. 978 00:53:14,130 --> 00:53:16,020 Timing. 979 00:53:16,020 --> 00:53:20,590 Talking about Joe Arpaio and going to pay one of the worst 980 00:53:20,590 --> 00:53:24,290 jails in the country a visit while the country's watching, 981 00:53:24,290 --> 00:53:26,010 waiting for the Supreme Court to make a 982 00:53:26,010 --> 00:53:29,560 decision on SB 1070, timing. 983 00:53:29,560 --> 00:53:30,160 Right. 984 00:53:30,160 --> 00:53:31,546 OK. 985 00:53:31,546 --> 00:53:33,400 So pretty clear. 986 00:53:33,400 --> 00:53:55,430 So what we're going to do is we're going to split into-- 987 00:53:55,430 --> 00:53:55,720 OK. 988 00:53:55,720 --> 00:53:58,784 What we're going to do is-- 989 00:53:58,784 --> 00:54:02,172 timing right? 990 00:54:02,172 --> 00:54:03,624 Timing. 991 00:54:03,624 --> 00:54:06,050 It's my weak point. 992 00:54:06,050 --> 00:54:10,130 So we're going to do is just gather with the 993 00:54:10,130 --> 00:54:11,250 folks around you. 994 00:54:11,250 --> 00:54:13,550 Maybe three or four folks, and just have some conversation 995 00:54:13,550 --> 00:54:17,570 about thinking about this detainer ICE hold and how do 996 00:54:17,570 --> 00:54:19,200 we break ICE's hold. 997 00:54:19,200 --> 00:54:22,570 And think about a local example. 998 00:54:22,570 --> 00:54:24,965 And obviously you're going to be sitting with folks who are 999 00:54:24,965 --> 00:54:26,200 from different places. 1000 00:54:26,200 --> 00:54:30,440 So everybody kind of add your piece, depending on what could 1001 00:54:30,440 --> 00:54:32,380 work in your community. 1002 00:54:32,380 --> 00:54:36,810 But brainstorm what would be some tactics, creative, how 1003 00:54:36,810 --> 00:54:40,105 creative, how relevant, how actionable, right. 1004 00:54:40,105 --> 00:54:43,020 Thinking of all the criteria we've thought about. 1005 00:54:43,020 --> 00:54:45,350 What are some ideas of tactics that you can do where you 1006 00:54:45,350 --> 00:54:49,520 live, congregation members, et cetera, to be able to break 1007 00:54:49,520 --> 00:54:50,630 ICE's hold? 1008 00:54:50,630 --> 00:54:53,605 What are some potential hooks around timing? 1009 00:54:53,605 --> 00:54:55,546 What would be good timing? 1010 00:54:55,546 --> 00:54:59,354 And then who would be targets that you can think of? 1011 00:54:59,354 --> 00:55:03,270 And who would be secondary targets that you can think of? 1012 00:55:03,270 --> 00:55:06,050 So just a little brainstorm to actually put 1013 00:55:06,050 --> 00:55:07,530 this more into practice. 1014 00:55:07,530 --> 00:55:49,800 So we'll take a few minutes to allow you to talk about it. 1015 00:55:49,800 --> 00:55:52,590 MARISA: If you can hear me, clap once. 1016 00:55:52,590 --> 00:55:54,666 If you can hear me, clap twice. 1017 00:55:54,666 --> 00:55:57,920 If you can hear me, say hey. 1018 00:55:57,920 --> 00:56:00,320 GROUP: Hey. 1019 00:56:00,320 --> 00:56:01,760 MARISA: Cool. 1020 00:56:01,760 --> 00:56:04,650 I just made that up right now. 1021 00:56:04,650 --> 00:56:05,450 OK. 1022 00:56:05,450 --> 00:56:07,780 So we're just going to do popcorn style. 1023 00:56:07,780 --> 00:56:12,838 Popcorn meaning we're not going to go group by group. 1024 00:56:12,838 --> 00:56:17,442 We're going to return to each of these concepts and just 1025 00:56:17,442 --> 00:56:19,802 hear a couple different responses. 1026 00:56:19,802 --> 00:56:22,880 I want to make sure to hear from each group. 1027 00:56:22,880 --> 00:56:24,870 You know what was a couple of things that came up. 1028 00:56:24,870 --> 00:56:26,940 It doesn't have to be a full report. 1029 00:56:26,940 --> 00:56:28,720 We still have a few other things that we want to share 1030 00:56:28,720 --> 00:56:30,520 with you all before we close out. 1031 00:56:30,520 --> 00:56:33,430 So for tactics, what are some of the examples or 1032 00:56:33,430 --> 00:56:36,370 ideas that came out? 1033 00:56:36,370 --> 00:56:38,330 FEMALE SPEAKER: Find allies. 1034 00:56:38,330 --> 00:56:39,800 Find allies. 1035 00:56:39,800 --> 00:56:43,230 MARISA: Find allies. 1036 00:56:43,230 --> 00:56:44,700 MALE SPEAKER: Our counties are hurting. 1037 00:56:44,700 --> 00:56:47,160 So target the cost. 1038 00:56:47,160 --> 00:56:50,460 MARISA: Target the cost. 1039 00:56:50,460 --> 00:56:52,502 MALE SPEAKER: We had to say find allies. 1040 00:56:52,502 --> 00:56:56,684 But I've heard you have a website that might be able in 1041 00:56:56,684 --> 00:56:59,636 my particular geography to tell me Latino groups who are 1042 00:56:59,636 --> 00:57:01,850 active that we could work with. 1043 00:57:01,850 --> 00:57:04,310 So I was told I could go to your website. 1044 00:57:04,310 --> 00:57:04,802 Is that correct? 1045 00:57:04,802 --> 00:57:05,294 SARAHI: Yeah. 1046 00:57:05,294 --> 00:57:06,032 We're going to put it. 1047 00:57:06,032 --> 00:57:08,738 Actually, it's the Interfaith Immigration Coalition website 1048 00:57:08,738 --> 00:57:10,240 that has that. 1049 00:57:10,240 --> 00:57:13,506 MARISA: So the Interfaith Immigration Coalition website 1050 00:57:13,506 --> 00:57:16,484 has partners or local organizations all across the 1051 00:57:16,484 --> 00:57:20,436 country that you can connect with. 1052 00:57:20,436 --> 00:57:22,412 FEMALE SPEAKER: We [INAUDIBLE] 1053 00:57:22,412 --> 00:57:24,388 that we have already done in New Orleans. 1054 00:57:24,388 --> 00:57:27,352 One was a 24-hour prayer vigil outside of the Sheriff's 1055 00:57:27,352 --> 00:57:29,822 office with pictures of people who had actually be put in 1056 00:57:29,822 --> 00:57:32,786 deportation [INAUDIBLE] from that jail with immigration 1057 00:57:32,786 --> 00:57:33,774 hold requests. 1058 00:57:33,774 --> 00:57:38,220 And the other that we did was a legal tactic of filing writs 1059 00:57:38,220 --> 00:57:41,431 of habeas to get people out who had been held for more 1060 00:57:41,431 --> 00:57:42,666 than the constitutional limit. 1061 00:57:42,666 --> 00:57:45,383 So we could actually rip people out of the jail and use 1062 00:57:45,383 --> 00:57:50,080 them as examples of the justice of what was happening. 1063 00:57:50,080 --> 00:57:51,522 MARISA: OK. 1064 00:57:51,522 --> 00:57:55,450 Any last other examples? 1065 00:57:55,450 --> 00:57:57,812 MALE SPEAKER: Well, we talked about when we had a 1066 00:57:57,812 --> 00:58:01,289 demonstration against an atrocity. 1067 00:58:01,289 --> 00:58:04,283 We needed people out for-- 1068 00:58:04,283 --> 00:58:07,027 encourage people to talk to their friends and 1069 00:58:07,027 --> 00:58:08,275 tell them about it. 1070 00:58:08,275 --> 00:58:11,280 And tell them why [INAUDIBLE]. 1071 00:58:11,280 --> 00:58:12,778 MARISA: OK. 1072 00:58:12,778 --> 00:58:14,245 Really quickly. 1073 00:58:14,245 --> 00:58:14,734 MALE SPEAKER: Real quick. 1074 00:58:14,734 --> 00:58:17,179 Is the National Lawyers Guild at all helpful in this? 1075 00:58:17,179 --> 00:58:18,646 I know they've been helpful in Occupy. 1076 00:58:18,646 --> 00:58:20,610 And we've used them in Occupy. 1077 00:58:20,610 --> 00:58:23,237 So are they helpful in this particular issue in terms of 1078 00:58:23,237 --> 00:58:25,582 giving us legal resources? 1079 00:58:25,582 --> 00:58:26,520 SARAHI: Yeah. 1080 00:58:26,520 --> 00:58:28,905 We've actually partnered with the National Immigration 1081 00:58:28,905 --> 00:58:32,380 Project, which is part of the National Lawyer's Guild. 1082 00:58:32,380 --> 00:58:34,595 And if you go to the Interfaith Immigration 1083 00:58:34,595 --> 00:58:38,950 Coalition website, there's a tool kit and a number of other 1084 00:58:38,950 --> 00:58:40,560 resources there. 1085 00:58:40,560 --> 00:58:43,595 But really encourage folks to visit that web page. 1086 00:58:43,595 --> 00:58:46,925 And we of course don't expect people to walk out of experts 1087 00:58:46,925 --> 00:58:50,293 coming out of this workshop, but we really encourage to 1088 00:58:50,293 --> 00:58:53,400 connect with those local partners through that website 1089 00:58:53,400 --> 00:58:53,878 MARISA: OK. 1090 00:58:53,878 --> 00:58:56,480 We're going to jump to target, but a couple of things. 1091 00:58:56,480 --> 00:58:57,300 So tactics. 1092 00:58:57,300 --> 00:59:00,762 Some of this, like find allies. 1093 00:59:00,762 --> 00:59:04,990 If we had more time, I would push us to think more 1094 00:59:04,990 --> 00:59:05,240 specifically. 1095 00:59:05,240 --> 00:59:06,678 Well, what's the activity. 1096 00:59:06,678 --> 00:59:10,610 That's more of the objective, but what's the activity to be 1097 00:59:10,610 --> 00:59:12,520 able find allies. 1098 00:59:12,520 --> 00:59:14,520 Or to target the cost. 1099 00:59:14,520 --> 00:59:18,300 One of the ideas, just as an example of a tactic to do this 1100 00:59:18,300 --> 00:59:23,800 is what does it cost to hold people? 1101 00:59:23,800 --> 00:59:31,130 And create, get fake money and take the barrels and do a very 1102 00:59:31,130 --> 00:59:33,990 sensible, nice, direct action in front of the 1103 00:59:33,990 --> 00:59:35,790 decision-makers office. 1104 00:59:35,790 --> 00:59:38,950 And here's the barrels of money that's spent detaining 1105 00:59:38,950 --> 00:59:41,555 people voluntarily for ICE. 1106 00:59:41,555 --> 00:59:44,190 This is what it costs to do ICE's dirty work. 1107 00:59:44,190 --> 00:59:45,640 You can target the cost. 1108 00:59:45,640 --> 00:59:47,890 See, so sometimes, you got to be a little 1109 00:59:47,890 --> 00:59:49,150 more specific in terms. 1110 00:59:49,150 --> 00:59:51,980 Some of these were a little bit more of an objective. 1111 00:59:51,980 --> 00:59:54,070 If we had more time, we'd get into it and brainstorm that. 1112 00:59:54,070 --> 00:59:54,660 OK. 1113 00:59:54,660 --> 00:59:58,280 Let's go to target. 1114 00:59:58,280 --> 01:00:00,520 So any ideas on this one. 1115 01:00:00,520 --> 01:00:03,438 What came up in this discussion on target. 1116 01:00:03,438 --> 01:00:04,412 Sheriffs. 1117 01:00:04,412 --> 01:00:05,386 Elected officials. 1118 01:00:05,386 --> 01:00:05,873 MARISA: Sheriffs. 1119 01:00:05,873 --> 01:00:06,847 FEMALE SPEAKER: Police chiefs. 1120 01:00:06,847 --> 01:00:07,821 MARISA: Police chiefs. 1121 01:00:07,821 --> 01:00:08,308 FEMALE SPEAKER: City council. 1122 01:00:08,308 --> 01:00:09,769 MARISA: City council. 1123 01:00:09,769 --> 01:00:10,743 MALE SPEAKER: County supervisor. 1124 01:00:10,743 --> 01:00:12,691 MARISA: County supervisor. 1125 01:00:12,691 --> 01:00:13,178 FEMALE SPEAKER: Mayor. 1126 01:00:13,178 --> 01:00:14,160 MALE SPEAKER: County councils. 1127 01:00:14,160 --> 01:00:15,400 MARISA: Mayors. 1128 01:00:15,400 --> 01:00:16,737 County councils. 1129 01:00:16,737 --> 01:00:17,731 MALE SPEAKER: Sheriffs. 1130 01:00:17,731 --> 01:00:18,725 MARISA: Sheriff. 1131 01:00:18,725 --> 01:00:20,713 MALE SPEAKER: Uninterested general public. 1132 01:00:20,713 --> 01:00:25,170 MARISA: Uninterested general public. 1133 01:00:25,170 --> 01:00:29,350 The public, for target again. 1134 01:00:29,350 --> 01:00:30,800 What's a target? 1135 01:00:30,800 --> 01:00:31,800 GROUP: Decision-makers. 1136 01:00:31,800 --> 01:00:33,090 MARISA: Decision-makers. 1137 01:00:33,090 --> 01:00:36,370 So the general public would be more of audience that 1138 01:00:36,370 --> 01:00:38,640 influences the decision-makers. 1139 01:00:38,640 --> 01:00:40,950 Or sometimes it's the folks who are impacted. 1140 01:00:40,950 --> 01:00:42,700 So the folks have to be directly-- 1141 01:00:42,700 --> 01:00:45,360 people who are directly impacted need to be directly 1142 01:00:45,360 --> 01:00:50,104 involved in guiding how this is fought and how it's won. 1143 01:00:50,104 --> 01:00:50,600 Right. 1144 01:00:50,600 --> 01:00:53,576 MALE SPEAKER: Well, as a secondary target, I would go 1145 01:00:53,576 --> 01:00:59,528 after farmers who are affected for our purposes of crop. 1146 01:00:59,528 --> 01:01:01,030 MARISA: Yep. 1147 01:01:01,030 --> 01:01:02,220 Great. 1148 01:01:02,220 --> 01:01:04,660 MALE SPEAKER: Crop development. 1149 01:01:04,660 --> 01:01:06,700 MARISA: So just to repeat it. 1150 01:01:06,700 --> 01:01:10,416 A secondary target, farmers who are impacted but have 1151 01:01:10,416 --> 01:01:14,760 economic interests to be able to produce their crops. 1152 01:01:14,760 --> 01:01:17,257 MALE SPEAKER: A secondary target is other faith 1153 01:01:17,257 --> 01:01:17,940 communities. 1154 01:01:17,940 --> 01:01:20,450 MARISA: Secondary target, other faith communities. 1155 01:01:20,450 --> 01:01:23,330 FEMALE SPEAKER: Secondary target is campaign financiers, 1156 01:01:23,330 --> 01:01:28,130 so people who are paying money to get your local officials 1157 01:01:28,130 --> 01:01:31,060 elected, people who are donating to their campaigns. 1158 01:01:31,060 --> 01:01:33,380 MARISA: So another idea is campaign financiers, so the 1159 01:01:33,380 --> 01:01:36,440 people who are actually donating or contributing to 1160 01:01:36,440 --> 01:01:38,830 elected officials. 1161 01:01:38,830 --> 01:01:40,220 OK. 1162 01:01:40,220 --> 01:01:43,360 Let's go to timing. 1163 01:01:43,360 --> 01:01:45,141 Let's go. 1164 01:01:45,141 --> 01:01:48,027 So what are some ideas around timing? 1165 01:01:48,027 --> 01:01:48,989 FEMALE SPEAKER: Campaign time. 1166 01:01:48,989 --> 01:01:49,951 Election time. 1167 01:01:49,951 --> 01:01:54,280 MARISA: Election time. 1168 01:01:54,280 --> 01:01:55,070 MALE SPEAKER: Budget time. 1169 01:01:55,070 --> 01:01:58,493 MARISA: Budget. 1170 01:01:58,493 --> 01:02:00,123 MALE SPEAKER: After a big announcement of 1171 01:02:00,123 --> 01:02:01,427 a policy like that. 1172 01:02:01,427 --> 01:02:05,828 MARISA: After a big announcement. 1173 01:02:05,828 --> 01:02:08,273 FEMALE SPEAKER: I think the biggest question about 1174 01:02:08,273 --> 01:02:11,531 timeline is are you starting the work now so that when the 1175 01:02:11,531 --> 01:02:19,041 time comes to act you will have the forces you need. 1176 01:02:19,041 --> 01:02:22,534 I think the big thing about timeline, one of the most 1177 01:02:22,534 --> 01:02:27,524 important things when times of action are required, you will 1178 01:02:27,524 --> 01:02:31,682 have done the work for some time before that, so that you 1179 01:02:31,682 --> 01:02:33,512 will have people ready to act. 1180 01:02:33,512 --> 01:02:36,256 Because sometimes we take action and we don't see 1181 01:02:36,256 --> 01:02:38,020 people, and then we're really disappointed. 1182 01:02:38,020 --> 01:02:40,388 So it really means the timeline 1183 01:02:40,388 --> 01:02:43,280 starts now in my opinion. 1184 01:02:43,280 --> 01:02:45,690 MARISA: That's right. 1185 01:02:45,690 --> 01:02:47,915 Another quick one. 1186 01:02:47,915 --> 01:02:50,670 So Father's Day, Mother's Day. 1187 01:02:50,670 --> 01:02:52,650 These issues are about families 1188 01:02:52,650 --> 01:02:53,930 being able to be together. 1189 01:02:53,930 --> 01:02:57,140 These are days when all of us think about family. 1190 01:02:57,140 --> 01:02:58,010 Right. 1191 01:02:58,010 --> 01:03:01,630 So it's also like different holidays. 1192 01:03:01,630 --> 01:03:04,190 Anything else? 1193 01:03:04,190 --> 01:03:05,140 OK. 1194 01:03:05,140 --> 01:03:06,390 MALE SPEAKER: Yeah, I got one. 1195 01:03:06,390 --> 01:03:09,305 MALE SPEAKER: If there's an instance of police brutality, 1196 01:03:09,305 --> 01:03:14,552 people being held in these jails where there's a lot of 1197 01:03:14,552 --> 01:03:16,990 brutality then that issue gets highlighted at that point. 1198 01:03:16,990 --> 01:03:17,065 MARISA: Yep. 1199 01:03:17,065 --> 01:03:20,920 So being able to hook onto incidents of police brutality, 1200 01:03:20,920 --> 01:03:23,692 or if there's reports, information coming out about 1201 01:03:23,692 --> 01:03:27,445 conditions inside of detention centers, or prisons, or jails. 1202 01:03:27,445 --> 01:03:31,450 That was an example that's been used in New Orleans with 1203 01:03:31,450 --> 01:03:36,180 the NOPD and the parish county jail that's been named as one 1204 01:03:36,180 --> 01:03:39,062 of the worst, and that's definitely been a hook and 1205 01:03:39,062 --> 01:03:41,270 something that they've been able to use. 1206 01:03:41,270 --> 01:03:41,743 OK. 1207 01:03:41,743 --> 01:03:44,450 So I'm going to pass it back to [INAUDIBLE] actually going 1208 01:03:44,450 --> 01:03:45,160 to give a case study. 1209 01:03:45,160 --> 01:03:46,680 We talked about a victory in DC. 1210 01:03:46,680 --> 01:03:48,736 She's going to break it down. 1211 01:03:48,736 --> 01:03:51,840 SARAHI: A lot of this stuff that you guys just mentioned 1212 01:03:51,840 --> 01:03:55,250 are reflected in different arts of the campaign that I 1213 01:03:55,250 --> 01:03:57,676 worked on in Washington, DC. 1214 01:03:57,676 --> 01:04:01,008 So just to give a little bit of the political context. 1215 01:04:01,008 --> 01:04:03,388 As folks mentioned, depending where you live, what's your 1216 01:04:03,388 --> 01:04:06,480 political context, that will dictate who's your target, and 1217 01:04:06,480 --> 01:04:09,550 what kind of tactics you use, and the timing, et cetera. 1218 01:04:09,550 --> 01:04:12,180 So in Washington, DC, we actually have a pretty 1219 01:04:12,180 --> 01:04:14,230 progressive local city council, 1220 01:04:14,230 --> 01:04:15,410 majority African American. 1221 01:04:15,410 --> 01:04:21,160 And when it comes to issues of rights, DC has been mostly on 1222 01:04:21,160 --> 01:04:22,450 the right side of history. 1223 01:04:22,450 --> 01:04:25,670 So we have same sex marriage and a number of other 1224 01:04:25,670 --> 01:04:28,530 progressive policies in Washington, DC. 1225 01:04:28,530 --> 01:04:33,440 Also, Washington, DC, in the 1980s, was a sanctuary city, a 1226 01:04:33,440 --> 01:04:37,890 lot of El Salvadoran refugees came to Washington, DC. 1227 01:04:37,890 --> 01:04:41,730 And we've just had this legacy of welcoming immigrants into 1228 01:04:41,730 --> 01:04:43,160 the district. 1229 01:04:43,160 --> 01:04:46,010 So in terms of our target-- 1230 01:04:46,010 --> 01:04:49,070 well, finally, of course, our goal was to prevent 1231 01:04:49,070 --> 01:04:52,900 deportation to Washington, DC, and to push back against the 1232 01:04:52,900 --> 01:04:53,576 threat of the secure 1233 01:04:53,576 --> 01:04:56,630 communities deportation program. 1234 01:04:56,630 --> 01:04:59,730 So in terms of targets, we actually decided to take a 1235 01:04:59,730 --> 01:05:01,320 two-prong strategy. 1236 01:05:01,320 --> 01:05:05,880 We decided to target our mayor, because he's pretty 1237 01:05:05,880 --> 01:05:06,710 progressive. 1238 01:05:06,710 --> 01:05:11,870 And he was just elected, and he had really done outreach to 1239 01:05:11,870 --> 01:05:13,330 the Latino vote. 1240 01:05:13,330 --> 01:05:16,820 And we also decided to target our council. 1241 01:05:16,820 --> 01:05:19,630 The other reason why we decided to target the mayor is 1242 01:05:19,630 --> 01:05:21,730 because he could issue an executive order 1243 01:05:21,730 --> 01:05:25,400 administratively directing the Department of Corrections to 1244 01:05:25,400 --> 01:05:30,260 change a policy, and it would be great to have a faster 1245 01:05:30,260 --> 01:05:35,106 victory and not have to go through the long and 1246 01:05:35,106 --> 01:05:38,170 legislative process that we have in Washington, DC. 1247 01:05:38,170 --> 01:05:39,935 So we did that. 1248 01:05:39,935 --> 01:05:43,250 And we were pursuing both at the same time, even though we 1249 01:05:43,250 --> 01:05:45,250 didn't tell the mayor that we were pursuing 1250 01:05:45,250 --> 01:05:46,800 the council as well. 1251 01:05:46,800 --> 01:05:49,342 And why do you think we didn't tell the mayor we were 1252 01:05:49,342 --> 01:05:50,791 pursuing the council? 1253 01:05:50,791 --> 01:05:51,757 [INAUDIBLE]. 1254 01:05:51,757 --> 01:05:52,723 MALE SPEAKER: He'd get off the hook. 1255 01:05:52,723 --> 01:05:54,172 SARAHI: He'd get off the hook. 1256 01:05:54,172 --> 01:05:57,396 Of course, he'd be like why do I have to do something if the 1257 01:05:57,396 --> 01:05:58,090 council's going to do it? 1258 01:05:58,090 --> 01:06:02,450 So the mayor decided to issue an executive order, but 1259 01:06:02,450 --> 01:06:06,030 unfortunately, in last minute negotiations, of course the 1260 01:06:06,030 --> 01:06:09,460 toughest piece of that executive order, which was 1261 01:06:09,460 --> 01:06:12,445 limiting the immigration detainer was dropped. 1262 01:06:12,445 --> 01:06:14,980 The chief of police fought tooth and 1263 01:06:14,980 --> 01:06:16,260 nail, and it got dropped. 1264 01:06:16,260 --> 01:06:21,020 But the upside of that was there was definitely a victory 1265 01:06:21,020 --> 01:06:23,920 in the community and there were other provisions in the 1266 01:06:23,920 --> 01:06:25,770 executive order that were new. 1267 01:06:25,770 --> 01:06:28,800 Like now, detainees in our jail need to get a consent 1268 01:06:28,800 --> 01:06:32,540 form, a notification in their language before ICE even tries 1269 01:06:32,540 --> 01:06:35,690 to interview them, and the consent form literally says do 1270 01:06:35,690 --> 01:06:38,288 you want to be interviewed by ICE, yes or no. 1271 01:06:38,288 --> 01:06:40,276 So that was new. 1272 01:06:40,276 --> 01:06:42,442 And so that was a victory. 1273 01:06:42,442 --> 01:06:45,330 And that's going to be a theme throughout that you might have 1274 01:06:45,330 --> 01:06:47,720 an incredibly awesome goal, but it's also 1275 01:06:47,720 --> 01:06:48,720 really hard to reach. 1276 01:06:48,720 --> 01:06:52,070 And it's important to have midterm, short-term victories 1277 01:06:52,070 --> 01:06:53,070 along the way. 1278 01:06:53,070 --> 01:06:55,786 This was an over two-year campaign. 1279 01:06:55,786 --> 01:06:59,440 And there was number of key victories along way before we 1280 01:06:59,440 --> 01:07:01,620 even got to passing this bill. 1281 01:07:01,620 --> 01:07:07,250 So once the mayor dropped the detainer provision, we were 1282 01:07:07,250 --> 01:07:11,970 already very, very easily able to pivot to our council 1283 01:07:11,970 --> 01:07:14,760 because we'd been talking about this issue for a while. 1284 01:07:14,760 --> 01:07:17,310 And said, hey, the mayor's order was great, but it's not 1285 01:07:17,310 --> 01:07:22,320 going to really be effective in fighting against SCOM. 1286 01:07:22,320 --> 01:07:23,715 So there were our two main targets. 1287 01:07:23,715 --> 01:07:28,660 And from then on out, it was like over a year-long campaign 1288 01:07:28,660 --> 01:07:30,720 just targeting the council. 1289 01:07:30,720 --> 01:07:35,120 And the nitty gritty of what can be a legislative process. 1290 01:07:35,120 --> 01:07:36,920 Right. 1291 01:07:36,920 --> 01:07:42,240 In terms of timing, we used SV 1070's passage as a way of 1292 01:07:42,240 --> 01:07:45,720 energizing politicians to come out and 1293 01:07:45,720 --> 01:07:47,120 speak against the issue. 1294 01:07:47,120 --> 01:07:51,170 So as I mentioned, DC's a progressive place, so we said, 1295 01:07:51,170 --> 01:07:54,520 hey, you got to stand up and say that you're not Arizona. 1296 01:07:54,520 --> 01:07:57,060 So when we actually launched the campaign over two years 1297 01:07:57,060 --> 01:08:00,476 ago, it was with chance of saying, we're not Arizona, and 1298 01:08:00,476 --> 01:08:05,165 our politicians saying that DC is going to stand on the right 1299 01:08:05,165 --> 01:08:06,730 side of history. 1300 01:08:06,730 --> 01:08:11,190 And it gave them the political cover to do it at that time. 1301 01:08:11,190 --> 01:08:14,010 The next key point as I already mentioned in terms of 1302 01:08:14,010 --> 01:08:15,964 timing was the mayor's order. 1303 01:08:15,964 --> 01:08:17,250 So we passed this amazing mayor's order. 1304 01:08:17,250 --> 01:08:18,910 Everyone feels great. 1305 01:08:18,910 --> 01:08:24,020 Huge celebration with the mayor, and then we turn to the 1306 01:08:24,020 --> 01:08:27,308 council and say actually that wasn't enough though. 1307 01:08:27,308 --> 01:08:33,385 And then of course, if you're running a legislative campaign 1308 01:08:33,385 --> 01:08:36,445 where you're trying to pass a bill, you have to be aware of 1309 01:08:36,445 --> 01:08:39,414 what are key moments in that legislative calendar. 1310 01:08:39,414 --> 01:08:43,180 So the budget hearings, or the oversight hearings. 1311 01:08:43,180 --> 01:08:46,750 We had a police department oversight hearing, a 1312 01:08:46,750 --> 01:08:48,295 department of corrections oversight hearing. 1313 01:08:48,295 --> 01:08:51,680 So we made sure that folks directly impacted testified 1314 01:08:51,680 --> 01:08:53,420 about what was going on. 1315 01:08:53,420 --> 01:08:56,680 We took on a campaign of someone who called the police 1316 01:08:56,680 --> 01:08:59,260 for help and ended up in deportation proceedings. 1317 01:08:59,260 --> 01:09:02,609 And he was incredibly involved in the campaign and pushing 1318 01:09:02,609 --> 01:09:07,250 for an individual end to his deportation but also a 1319 01:09:07,250 --> 01:09:09,520 structural change to what had caused that 1320 01:09:09,520 --> 01:09:10,970 in the first place. 1321 01:09:10,970 --> 01:09:12,650 We also-- 1322 01:09:12,650 --> 01:09:17,069 so key legislative calendar days. 1323 01:09:17,069 --> 01:09:19,130 Marisa mentioned Mother's Day, Father's Day. 1324 01:09:19,130 --> 01:09:23,870 Domestic Violence Awareness Month was really big for us. 1325 01:09:23,870 --> 01:09:24,890 The Domestic Violence Coalition was a really big 1326 01:09:24,890 --> 01:09:28,160 partner, so we did a number of events during DV awareness 1327 01:09:28,160 --> 01:09:31,720 month that talking about specifically the impacts of 1328 01:09:31,720 --> 01:09:38,109 SCOM on women and victims of crime. 1329 01:09:38,109 --> 01:09:39,855 And then, finally SCOM activation. 1330 01:09:39,855 --> 01:09:43,830 I think your comment about starting earlier than sooner 1331 01:09:43,830 --> 01:09:45,000 is right on. 1332 01:09:45,000 --> 01:09:49,930 So when SCOM was going to be activated in DC, and we found 1333 01:09:49,930 --> 01:09:54,330 out five days before that happened, we actually used the 1334 01:09:54,330 --> 01:09:58,620 urgency of that moment to push our council to introduce 1335 01:09:58,620 --> 01:10:00,630 emergency legislation. 1336 01:10:00,630 --> 01:10:03,646 And instead of waiting an additional month for our bill 1337 01:10:03,646 --> 01:10:05,880 to get passed, it got immediately passed 1338 01:10:05,880 --> 01:10:07,090 unanimously. 1339 01:10:07,090 --> 01:10:10,170 So using what was a terrible situation, to be like you got 1340 01:10:10,170 --> 01:10:14,143 to do this now, because we've been working on this forever, 1341 01:10:14,143 --> 01:10:19,480 so that was what kind of tipped the scales for us. 1342 01:10:19,480 --> 01:10:23,920 And then in terms of tactics, like I said, DC city council 1343 01:10:23,920 --> 01:10:25,260 is pretty progressive. 1344 01:10:25,260 --> 01:10:29,160 They came out unanimously against SCOM two years ago. 1345 01:10:29,160 --> 01:10:31,670 So it was just a matter of keeping this issue front and 1346 01:10:31,670 --> 01:10:36,520 center and not losing momentum in those two and a half years 1347 01:10:36,520 --> 01:10:38,060 that it took us to do this work. 1348 01:10:38,060 --> 01:10:43,810 So we did press conferences, DV Awareness month, there was 1349 01:10:43,810 --> 01:10:47,820 a Labor Seder, where the Jewish community wrote letters 1350 01:10:47,820 --> 01:10:50,330 in support of our bill, delegations to 1351 01:10:50,330 --> 01:10:52,401 city council members. 1352 01:10:52,401 --> 01:10:56,097 And when did our council visits, we tried to make the 1353 01:10:56,097 --> 01:10:59,040 council in some ways a mobilization. 1354 01:10:59,040 --> 01:11:03,380 So instead of having four people go and visit each of 1355 01:11:03,380 --> 01:11:07,180 our 13 council members, we try to mobilize over 50 people 1356 01:11:07,180 --> 01:11:09,610 every time we went there, to kind of make it 1357 01:11:09,610 --> 01:11:11,250 in some ways a spectacle. 1358 01:11:11,250 --> 01:11:13,250 We're a small government. 1359 01:11:13,250 --> 01:11:16,000 So if you have 50 people in city council walking the 1360 01:11:16,000 --> 01:11:19,444 halls, it's like a big deal. 1361 01:11:19,444 --> 01:11:20,750 And we had press. 1362 01:11:20,750 --> 01:11:23,553 And we had, of course, folks in those separate little 1363 01:11:23,553 --> 01:11:26,980 groups to be sharing their stories and a number of 1364 01:11:26,980 --> 01:11:28,950 different folks in the community sharing different 1365 01:11:28,950 --> 01:11:30,240 perspectives as well. 1366 01:11:30,240 --> 01:11:33,329 So I mentioned the DV Coalition, the Domestic 1367 01:11:33,329 --> 01:11:34,796 Violence Coalition. 1368 01:11:34,796 --> 01:11:38,070 We had Labor backing us up. 1369 01:11:38,070 --> 01:11:40,562 We had civil rights group backing us up. 1370 01:11:40,562 --> 01:11:46,730 And that's what really helped move these politicians. 1371 01:11:46,730 --> 01:11:50,460 There was also letter writing campaigns, petitions, very 1372 01:11:50,460 --> 01:11:54,260 kind of basic stuff. 1373 01:11:54,260 --> 01:11:57,120 And I think that was it. 1374 01:11:57,120 --> 01:12:01,530 I guess I would just return on the fact that a lot of this 1375 01:12:01,530 --> 01:12:03,193 stuff can change. 1376 01:12:03,193 --> 01:12:05,530 Like I said, we had a two-prong strategy. 1377 01:12:05,530 --> 01:12:07,382 We had to move to a council. 1378 01:12:07,382 --> 01:12:11,250 So just being able to be flexible, to take an 1379 01:12:11,250 --> 01:12:15,460 opportunity when it comes, like the timing piece. 1380 01:12:15,460 --> 01:12:18,830 You have to seize on that opportunity and be able to be 1381 01:12:18,830 --> 01:12:23,910 flexible and be relevant as things change. 1382 01:12:23,910 --> 01:12:27,540 Because they often do a lot. 1383 01:12:27,540 --> 01:12:28,528 FEMALE SPEAKER: I'm just curious. 1384 01:12:28,528 --> 01:12:31,986 Did you happen to use any particular colors, or slogans, 1385 01:12:31,986 --> 01:12:35,691 or t-shirts, or anything that showed that you were all 1386 01:12:35,691 --> 01:12:36,440 working together? 1387 01:12:36,440 --> 01:12:38,540 SARAHI: Did we use any particular slogans, 1388 01:12:38,540 --> 01:12:39,630 t-shirts, or colors? 1389 01:12:39,630 --> 01:12:41,410 You know we could have done a better job 1390 01:12:41,410 --> 01:12:42,620 of that to be honest. 1391 01:12:42,620 --> 01:12:46,910 But one of the things that we did do in the launch was the 1392 01:12:46,910 --> 01:12:48,967 "We Are Not Arizona" chant. 1393 01:12:48,967 --> 01:12:52,720 And one of the chants that we would say was "Tell me what 1394 01:12:52,720 --> 01:12:53,530 community looks like. 1395 01:12:53,530 --> 01:12:56,513 This is what community looks like." Because Secure 1396 01:12:56,513 --> 01:12:59,680 Communities is making us insecure, and DC is a very 1397 01:12:59,680 --> 01:13:01,850 diverse place. 1398 01:13:01,850 --> 01:13:07,700 FEMALE SPEAKER: How important is it to have a professional 1399 01:13:07,700 --> 01:13:09,806 activist working with you? 1400 01:13:09,806 --> 01:13:13,610 And is there a time or a trigger when it's a good idea 1401 01:13:13,610 --> 01:13:15,230 to call one of these organizations 1402 01:13:15,230 --> 01:13:17,940 and say we need help. 1403 01:13:17,940 --> 01:13:21,190 SARAHI: Well, as I mentioned I encourage folks to visit the 1404 01:13:21,190 --> 01:13:22,765 Interfaith Immigration Coalition website. 1405 01:13:22,765 --> 01:13:25,415 If you haven't written it down, we'll 1406 01:13:25,415 --> 01:13:26,816 definitely write it down. 1407 01:13:26,816 --> 01:13:29,630 Oh, there it is actually. 1408 01:13:29,630 --> 01:13:31,862 It's important to reach out to local organizations. 1409 01:13:31,862 --> 01:13:35,560 It's important that these campaigns be led by directly 1410 01:13:35,560 --> 01:13:37,480 impacted folks, and it's important to have 1411 01:13:37,480 --> 01:13:38,990 a coalition, right. 1412 01:13:38,990 --> 01:13:41,800 But the coalition is taking it's lead from those folks. 1413 01:13:41,800 --> 01:13:45,290 So definitely check that website out, and you can get a 1414 01:13:45,290 --> 01:13:50,205 sense of who locally is already working on this. 1415 01:13:50,205 --> 01:13:54,053 FEMALE SPEAKER: I guess one thing that me being from 1416 01:13:54,053 --> 01:13:57,420 Tennessee and seeing what was going on in DC, that they were 1417 01:13:57,420 --> 01:13:58,080 really good at in the campaign, it's really 1418 01:13:58,080 --> 01:14:02,140 communications, putting it out there in the social media. 1419 01:14:02,140 --> 01:14:05,660 People from all over the country were watching the city 1420 01:14:05,660 --> 01:14:09,065 council meetings through live stream. 1421 01:14:09,065 --> 01:14:12,502 So that really pushed, I think, awareness and for other 1422 01:14:12,502 --> 01:14:15,448 communities to be inspired to continue these campaigns. 1423 01:14:15,448 --> 01:14:17,903 And those that are trying to start. 1424 01:14:17,903 --> 01:14:20,685 They can see how campaigns are going and those that have 1425 01:14:20,685 --> 01:14:23,304 already done campaigns can help others. 1426 01:14:23,304 --> 01:14:25,268 SARAHI: Thanks. 1427 01:14:25,268 --> 01:14:27,620 Other quick questions before we wrap up. 1428 01:14:27,620 --> 01:14:29,270 I think we're almost out of time. 1429 01:14:29,270 --> 01:14:33,198 So we're going to be around if you guys have questions. 1430 01:14:33,198 --> 01:14:36,144 But I want to hand it over to Pablo to close us out. 1431 01:14:36,144 --> 01:14:37,910 PABLO: Thank you, Sarahi. 1432 01:14:37,910 --> 01:14:42,310 So, if you stick with us for a few more minutes. 1433 01:14:42,310 --> 01:14:45,950 It's kind of unfortunate that we've been pushing for 1434 01:14:45,950 --> 01:14:48,485 legalization for all of these years. 1435 01:14:48,485 --> 01:14:52,856 But at the end, what we're left with is fighting against 1436 01:14:52,856 --> 01:14:53,800 criminalization. 1437 01:14:53,800 --> 01:14:55,488 And I know that the conversation about legalizing 1438 01:14:55,488 --> 01:14:57,928 people will come back. 1439 01:14:57,928 --> 01:15:01,832 Whether it's after the re-election or whatever. 1440 01:15:01,832 --> 01:15:04,280 That's to be seen. 1441 01:15:04,280 --> 01:15:07,930 But meanwhile, we have to make sure that people are not 1442 01:15:07,930 --> 01:15:08,420 criminalized. 1443 01:15:08,420 --> 01:15:09,890 That we decriminalize people. 1444 01:15:09,890 --> 01:15:13,810 And this is one of the ways to actually do it. 1445 01:15:13,810 --> 01:15:18,102 So I want to share-- and by the way, if the Supreme Court 1446 01:15:18,102 --> 01:15:24,106 on Monday decides that states do have some business to do in 1447 01:15:24,106 --> 01:15:29,445 the enforcement of immigration law, that's going to be bad, 1448 01:15:29,445 --> 01:15:32,427 but it will also provide opportunities for us. 1449 01:15:32,427 --> 01:15:34,912 That means that we can go to progressive places and push 1450 01:15:34,912 --> 01:15:39,325 for affirmative legislation that includes people rather 1451 01:15:39,325 --> 01:15:42,070 than exclude them as we see in the images. 1452 01:15:42,070 --> 01:15:42,546 OK. 1453 01:15:42,546 --> 01:15:46,830 So you got to think about this as you go back to your place. 1454 01:15:46,830 --> 01:15:52,568 And I wanted to share with you three additional things that 1455 01:15:52,568 --> 01:15:56,190 are happening, that my organization is involved in. 1456 01:15:56,190 --> 01:16:01,100 One is that right now we're doing very detailed research 1457 01:16:01,100 --> 01:16:07,405 about who gives money to [INAUDIBLE]. 1458 01:16:07,405 --> 01:16:11,285 And the boycott is going to be more targeted now to those 1459 01:16:11,285 --> 01:16:13,730 people that have invested enough time. 1460 01:16:13,730 --> 01:16:16,290 And there may be some national targets. 1461 01:16:16,290 --> 01:16:18,100 And we're going to need the unions. 1462 01:16:18,100 --> 01:16:19,710 The unions are cool. 1463 01:16:19,710 --> 01:16:23,175 They're going to help us out when we identify 1464 01:16:23,175 --> 01:16:24,165 that national target. 1465 01:16:24,165 --> 01:16:27,630 But I think that we want to be very effective. 1466 01:16:27,630 --> 01:16:30,600 There are businesses that are doing this, I think that we 1467 01:16:30,600 --> 01:16:31,590 can shut them down. 1468 01:16:31,590 --> 01:16:34,807 I think if those are businesses that are patronized 1469 01:16:34,807 --> 01:16:38,520 by Latinos here in this state and outside. 1470 01:16:38,520 --> 01:16:40,005 So that's happening. 1471 01:16:40,005 --> 01:16:44,707 I think we're going to have that perhaps in the next six 1472 01:16:44,707 --> 01:16:46,440 weeks, maximum. 1473 01:16:46,440 --> 01:16:50,010 The other thing that's happening is that we're doing 1474 01:16:50,010 --> 01:16:54,330 for the first time, see people when we talk about immigration 1475 01:16:54,330 --> 01:16:58,170 on our side, in my view, has made this mistake, is that 1476 01:16:58,170 --> 01:17:01,535 when we talk about immigration we go to US citizens. 1477 01:17:01,535 --> 01:17:07,497 And sometimes we consult with police officers on how we talk 1478 01:17:07,497 --> 01:17:08,459 about immigration. 1479 01:17:08,459 --> 01:17:13,269 And then we come back, and then instead of helping us, it 1480 01:17:13,269 --> 01:17:15,350 pushes us in a different direction. 1481 01:17:15,350 --> 01:17:19,110 So we're going to be doing a very expansive poll, actually. 1482 01:17:19,110 --> 01:17:22,220 We're going to interview 500 undocumented people here in 1483 01:17:22,220 --> 01:17:26,450 Maricopa County, Los Angelos, in Cook County, and hopefully 1484 01:17:26,450 --> 01:17:27,390 in Atlanta. 1485 01:17:27,390 --> 01:17:30,680 And the idea is that we're going to be asking them, and 1486 01:17:30,680 --> 01:17:33,018 they're going to be along the goals with that, with the 1487 01:17:33,018 --> 01:17:35,085 polling, there will be some focus groups. 1488 01:17:35,085 --> 01:17:37,590 So we're going to ask people if you were a victim of a 1489 01:17:37,590 --> 01:17:38,500 crime would you report it? 1490 01:17:38,500 --> 01:17:41,070 Do you know somebody who has been victimized and hasn't 1491 01:17:41,070 --> 01:17:43,545 been able to call the police? 1492 01:17:43,545 --> 01:17:48,495 So this poll will provide for the first time, through 1493 01:17:48,495 --> 01:17:54,187 rigorous polling, good data of how this giving the power to 1494 01:17:54,187 --> 01:17:56,910 local police creates distance of the security. 1495 01:17:56,910 --> 01:17:58,395 It's not good for public safety. 1496 01:17:58,395 --> 01:18:02,890 Let's not say for human rights, civil rights. 1497 01:18:02,890 --> 01:18:06,592 So we're going to be sharing that data. 1498 01:18:06,592 --> 01:18:08,862 And hopefully, when we have it, you can actually use it as 1499 01:18:08,862 --> 01:18:12,620 well, when you go to talk to your own police chiefs and 1500 01:18:12,620 --> 01:18:15,080 your own city council. 1501 01:18:15,080 --> 01:18:19,508 The other thing that's happening in a minute if we 1502 01:18:19,508 --> 01:18:21,476 can talk about the bus tour. 1503 01:18:21,476 --> 01:18:23,936 And then we'll wrap it up with the observers. 1504 01:18:23,936 --> 01:18:26,300 Because we're going to go back to the people who were 1505 01:18:26,300 --> 01:18:29,364 observing the exercise. 1506 01:18:29,364 --> 01:18:32,700 And we're going to wrap it up with that. 1507 01:18:32,700 --> 01:18:34,250 MARISA: Very quickly, this summer, we 1508 01:18:34,250 --> 01:18:35,470 are hitting the road. 1509 01:18:35,470 --> 01:18:39,360 We are starting in Phoenix, Arizona at the end of July. 1510 01:18:39,360 --> 01:18:44,950 And we are getting on a bus to try to take us on a road from 1511 01:18:44,950 --> 01:18:46,025 pain to human rights. 1512 01:18:46,025 --> 01:18:49,710 There are folks who are directly impacted by the 1513 01:18:49,710 --> 01:18:53,105 federal deportation programs, folks who are tired. 1514 01:18:53,105 --> 01:18:55,232 People are sick and tired of having to hide in the shadows 1515 01:18:55,232 --> 01:18:58,480 and live in fear and are looking to get on a bus to 1516 01:18:58,480 --> 01:19:01,118 tell their story and shine a light on the injustice, and 1517 01:19:01,118 --> 01:19:04,082 shine a light on the contributions that immigrants 1518 01:19:04,082 --> 01:19:08,080 and families make, immigrant families, and workers, and 1519 01:19:08,080 --> 01:19:09,880 students make to the country every day. 1520 01:19:09,880 --> 01:19:12,400 So we're starting in Arizona, and we're going to be 1521 01:19:12,400 --> 01:19:15,417 traveling to some of the places that have really been 1522 01:19:15,417 --> 01:19:17,040 the leaders in the wrong direction. 1523 01:19:17,040 --> 01:19:19,170 Places that have passed Arizona style legislation, 1524 01:19:19,170 --> 01:19:22,480 places that have been quick to do ICE's job. 1525 01:19:22,480 --> 01:19:25,360 And we're going to pay them a visit and really demonstrate 1526 01:19:25,360 --> 01:19:26,700 that we're not going to live in fear. 1527 01:19:26,700 --> 01:19:29,160 And really looking to build from the leadership and the 1528 01:19:29,160 --> 01:19:32,390 example of students, because students have, the Dream Act 1529 01:19:32,390 --> 01:19:35,292 students and Dream Act eligible youth have actually 1530 01:19:35,292 --> 01:19:37,650 in many ways generated the real political power. 1531 01:19:37,650 --> 01:19:41,199 And we're looking to really bridge and make that be 1532 01:19:41,199 --> 01:19:42,830 workers, make that be families, and make that be 1533 01:19:42,830 --> 01:19:45,251 whole communities that are saying we're no longer going 1534 01:19:45,251 --> 01:19:48,040 to live in fear and force the dilemma on friends and foes 1535 01:19:48,040 --> 01:19:50,460 alike if people will comply with hate. 1536 01:19:50,460 --> 01:19:54,860 So at the end of this July, heading into the 1537 01:19:54,860 --> 01:19:56,930 DNC in North Carolina. 1538 01:19:56,930 --> 01:19:58,640 We'll be finishing up at the DNC. 1539 01:19:58,640 --> 01:20:01,490 So please look out for more information. 1540 01:20:01,490 --> 01:20:03,830 PABLO: And I know that we're a few minutes over. 1541 01:20:03,830 --> 01:20:06,275 But I think we've kept you entertained. 1542 01:20:06,275 --> 01:20:08,231 Right? 1543 01:20:08,231 --> 01:20:12,143 So let's have two observers to tell us what they saw during 1544 01:20:12,143 --> 01:20:14,588 the process to close it. 1545 01:20:14,588 --> 01:20:21,228 Who wants to do it? 1546 01:20:21,228 --> 01:20:23,668 FEMALE SPEAKER: Let me get me get back to my notes. 1547 01:20:23,668 --> 01:20:24,156 I'm sorry. 1548 01:20:24,156 --> 01:20:25,620 Where did they go? 1549 01:20:25,620 --> 01:20:26,596 Previous page. 1550 01:20:26,596 --> 01:20:31,964 One thing I noticed was that some people were kind of 1551 01:20:31,964 --> 01:20:34,404 trying to find their way into the conversation. 1552 01:20:34,404 --> 01:20:35,981 There was a lot of people crowded around the pieces and 1553 01:20:35,981 --> 01:20:37,170 they had a hard time fitting in. 1554 01:20:37,170 --> 01:20:39,376 So it seems to me that it's helpful when everybody makes 1555 01:20:39,376 --> 01:20:44,256 sure that everybody has a role to play. 1556 01:20:44,256 --> 01:20:47,020 Pretty soon, some people started looking at what others 1557 01:20:47,020 --> 01:20:49,136 were doing to see if they could get ideas. 1558 01:20:49,136 --> 01:20:51,719 And then eventually they saw that there was room for 1559 01:20:51,719 --> 01:20:54,653 collaboration. 1560 01:20:54,653 --> 01:21:00,032 I guess that's all I have to add right now. 1561 01:21:00,032 --> 01:21:02,966 MALE SPEAKER: With the two different groups, neither 1562 01:21:02,966 --> 01:21:04,433 group had all the pieces. 1563 01:21:04,433 --> 01:21:06,144 So eventually, they figured it out and 1564 01:21:06,144 --> 01:21:07,245 started to coming together. 1565 01:21:07,245 --> 01:21:14,504 MALE SPEAKER: Yeah, into one group. 1566 01:21:14,504 --> 01:21:15,992 PABLO: It was fun. 1567 01:21:15,992 --> 01:21:16,984 Right. 1568 01:21:16,984 --> 01:21:21,266 Essentially, if we had more time, we would go into more 1569 01:21:21,266 --> 01:21:25,456 detail about these type of dynamics happen when you have 1570 01:21:25,456 --> 01:21:26,689 a campaign going. 1571 01:21:26,689 --> 01:21:29,647 So that was the idea of doing this exercise that way. 1572 01:21:29,647 --> 01:21:30,140 OK. 1573 01:21:30,140 --> 01:21:32,112 So one last comment and we'll close it. 1574 01:21:32,112 --> 01:21:35,563 FEMALE SPEAKER: I just have one quick comment. 1575 01:21:35,563 --> 01:21:38,028 Those who were doing it were not allowed to 1576 01:21:38,028 --> 01:21:39,014 talk to each other. 1577 01:21:39,014 --> 01:21:41,240 And I think sometimes we can't talk to each other because we 1578 01:21:41,240 --> 01:21:43,960 don't speak the same language, but we can still find ways to 1579 01:21:43,960 --> 01:21:47,270 communicate. 1580 01:21:47,270 --> 01:21:53,107 PABLO: And one of the players was cheating. 1581 01:21:53,107 --> 01:21:54,568 FEMALE SPEAKER: One question. 1582 01:21:54,568 --> 01:21:56,516 Where do you get one of those? 1583 01:21:56,516 --> 01:21:58,464 PABLO: Where do you get one of those? 1584 01:21:58,464 --> 01:22:01,386 Talk to us. 1585 01:22:01,386 --> 01:22:02,360 Yeah. 1586 01:22:02,360 --> 01:22:03,185 Talk to us. 1587 01:22:03,185 --> 01:22:04,060 And we'll see. 1588 01:22:04,060 --> 01:22:10,308 What we can do is we can give you an electronic copy, and 1589 01:22:10,308 --> 01:22:12,380 you can make copies of it. 1590 01:22:12,380 --> 01:22:13,380 All right. 1591 01:22:13,380 --> 01:22:15,380 So thank you so much. 1592 01:22:15,380 --> 01:22:16,630 Thank you so much. 1593 01:22:16,630 --> 01:22:47,211