1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:06,257 2 00:00:06,257 --> 00:00:08,590 Alicia Leblanc: Welcome to the Faith Development webinar 3 00:00:08,590 --> 00:00:09,900 series. 4 00:00:09,900 --> 00:00:12,710 The webinar this month is titled "Give Yourself 5 00:00:12,710 --> 00:00:15,480 the Gift of Professional Development." 6 00:00:15,480 --> 00:00:17,600 My name is Alicia LeBlanc. 7 00:00:17,600 --> 00:00:20,260 I'm the administrative and editorial assistant 8 00:00:20,260 --> 00:00:22,530 of the Faith Development Office. 9 00:00:22,530 --> 00:00:25,820 I will be co-hosting this webinar with Pat Kahn. 10 00:00:25,820 --> 00:00:33,854 And our presenter tonight is Jan Gartner. 11 00:00:33,854 --> 00:00:34,520 Pat Kahn: Great. 12 00:00:34,520 --> 00:00:36,380 Thank you, Alicia. 13 00:00:36,380 --> 00:00:40,940 And it's my privilege and pleasure 14 00:00:40,940 --> 00:00:44,270 to introduce you to my good friend and colleague Jan 15 00:00:44,270 --> 00:00:45,410 Gartner. 16 00:00:45,410 --> 00:00:48,640 She is the professional development specialist 17 00:00:48,640 --> 00:00:52,170 in the ministries and faith development, 18 00:00:52,170 --> 00:00:55,030 is the overall department staff group. 19 00:00:55,030 --> 00:00:57,980 And Jan is in the Professional Development Office. 20 00:00:57,980 --> 00:01:01,500 We're sort of like sister offices-- 21 00:01:01,500 --> 00:01:03,700 a sister office to the Faith Development Office. 22 00:01:03,700 --> 00:01:05,220 We do a lot of things together. 23 00:01:05,220 --> 00:01:08,630 So we're really excited to have Jan here tonight 24 00:01:08,630 --> 00:01:11,850 to talk to us about professional development. 25 00:01:11,850 --> 00:01:15,530 Let me go through a few housekeeping things. 26 00:01:15,530 --> 00:01:18,270 Everybody is already muted, so thank you. 27 00:01:18,270 --> 00:01:22,430 And you don't have your cameras on, so 28 00:01:22,430 --> 00:01:24,160 thank you for that as well. 29 00:01:24,160 --> 00:01:29,480 We found that the more cameras, the less the bandwidth. 30 00:01:29,480 --> 00:01:34,260 So we'll take care of that. 31 00:01:34,260 --> 00:01:37,940 We will have time for questions and answers 32 00:01:37,940 --> 00:01:42,420 at the end of the webinar. 33 00:01:42,420 --> 00:01:47,400 And you could use your red flag to highlight that you 34 00:01:47,400 --> 00:01:49,200 want us to call on you. 35 00:01:49,200 --> 00:01:51,970 Or you can type it into the Chat Box. 36 00:01:51,970 --> 00:01:56,500 We found that there is new Fuze and old Fuze, two 37 00:01:56,500 --> 00:01:57,520 different versions. 38 00:01:57,520 --> 00:02:01,190 So raising the red flag in old Fuze is easy, 39 00:02:01,190 --> 00:02:04,830 and it's not as straightforward in new Fuze. 40 00:02:04,830 --> 00:02:09,580 But if you just go ahead and practice real quick, 41 00:02:09,580 --> 00:02:12,300 see if you can raise your red flag, except for you, Bob, 42 00:02:12,300 --> 00:02:15,420 because you're on the phone. 43 00:02:15,420 --> 00:02:17,970 Jill and Sarah-- oh, Bob can do it, OK. 44 00:02:17,970 --> 00:02:19,990 Great. 45 00:02:19,990 --> 00:02:23,110 And Jill and Sarah-- there's Sarah. 46 00:02:23,110 --> 00:02:27,770 Yay. 47 00:02:27,770 --> 00:02:32,320 OK, doesn't-- and then, you could click on it again, Sarah, 48 00:02:32,320 --> 00:02:35,437 to lower your flag. 49 00:02:35,437 --> 00:02:37,020 So it's gonna be easy because we don't 50 00:02:37,020 --> 00:02:39,230 have a whole bunch of people on the webinar tonight. 51 00:02:39,230 --> 00:02:41,380 Although, we are expecting more. 52 00:02:41,380 --> 00:02:45,220 You can just type a comment or a question into the Chat Box. 53 00:02:45,220 --> 00:02:48,070 And as we're going through the webinar, 54 00:02:48,070 --> 00:02:52,970 Alicia will be adding links or other information 55 00:02:52,970 --> 00:02:54,900 into the Chat Box. 56 00:02:54,900 --> 00:02:57,430 In old Fuze, where the Chat Box is 57 00:02:57,430 --> 00:02:59,590 on the left-hand side of the screen, 58 00:02:59,590 --> 00:03:02,900 you can copy and paste into a Word document 59 00:03:02,900 --> 00:03:05,894 at the end of the webinar to capture all the things that 60 00:03:05,894 --> 00:03:06,560 have been there. 61 00:03:06,560 --> 00:03:09,240 But Alicia will be doing that as well. 62 00:03:09,240 --> 00:03:11,340 So if you're not able to get to it, 63 00:03:11,340 --> 00:03:15,430 we will still capture that information and sent it out. 64 00:03:15,430 --> 00:03:19,493 And so no more housekeeping. 65 00:03:19,493 --> 00:03:22,580 Oh, yes, there is. 66 00:03:22,580 --> 00:03:25,500 If you do have an audio problem, you 67 00:03:25,500 --> 00:03:29,185 can mute the audio on your computer and call in by phone. 68 00:03:29,185 --> 00:03:34,230 And Alicia, as she said, is recording this webinar. 69 00:03:34,230 --> 00:03:36,980 And it'll be posted at the URL that's on your screen 70 00:03:36,980 --> 00:03:37,480 right now. 71 00:03:37,480 --> 00:03:41,900 And we'll show you that again at the end. 72 00:03:41,900 --> 00:03:46,890 And so now, we'll just take a minute to center ourselves. 73 00:03:46,890 --> 00:03:53,610 And I will read these opening words. 74 00:03:53,610 --> 00:03:57,100 May this flame, symbol of transformation since time 75 00:03:57,100 --> 00:04:02,290 began, fire our curiosity, strengthen our wills, 76 00:04:02,290 --> 00:04:05,440 and sustain our courage as we seek what 77 00:04:05,440 --> 00:04:08,580 is good within and around us. 78 00:04:08,580 --> 00:04:11,680 From the Reverend Bets Wienecke. 79 00:04:11,680 --> 00:04:16,106 And with that, I'm going to turn it over to Jan. 80 00:04:16,106 --> 00:04:17,230 Jan Gartner: Hi, everybody. 81 00:04:17,230 --> 00:04:18,690 It's great to be with you. 82 00:04:18,690 --> 00:04:22,180 And I know this is a really busy time of year. 83 00:04:22,180 --> 00:04:27,020 So I especially appreciate you making time this evening 84 00:04:27,020 --> 00:04:28,440 to be with us. 85 00:04:28,440 --> 00:04:31,310 I'll just briefly run through what I'm 86 00:04:31,310 --> 00:04:32,890 planning to talk about tonight. 87 00:04:32,890 --> 00:04:35,010 What is professional development? 88 00:04:35,010 --> 00:04:37,100 And why is it important? 89 00:04:37,100 --> 00:04:40,910 Thinking about your motivations, different kinds 90 00:04:40,910 --> 00:04:43,900 of professional development and thinking a bit 91 00:04:43,900 --> 00:04:48,070 about your own professional development pathway. 92 00:04:48,070 --> 00:04:51,640 I'll run through some specific professional development 93 00:04:51,640 --> 00:04:54,540 opportunities to make sure you're aware of them. 94 00:04:54,540 --> 00:04:59,330 We will talk about time and money, two topics that 95 00:04:59,330 --> 00:05:01,720 pervade our thoughts often. 96 00:05:01,720 --> 00:05:08,190 And we'll make sure there's some time for your questions. 97 00:05:08,190 --> 00:05:12,560 So professional development, you can find many definitions. 98 00:05:12,560 --> 00:05:14,960 And this is really one that I made up, 99 00:05:14,960 --> 00:05:17,730 and it's a work in progress. 100 00:05:17,730 --> 00:05:23,810 Any experience that helps you do your job more confidently, 101 00:05:23,810 --> 00:05:27,710 competently, and/or authentically, 102 00:05:27,710 --> 00:05:32,080 I would call that professional development, as well as 103 00:05:32,080 --> 00:05:36,490 any experience that helps you expand your current job 104 00:05:36,490 --> 00:05:39,800 into new areas of responsibility, 105 00:05:39,800 --> 00:05:44,930 or to prepare for a new job or advance in your career. 106 00:05:44,930 --> 00:05:48,030 And also, professional development 107 00:05:48,030 --> 00:05:50,170 includes experiences that help you 108 00:05:50,170 --> 00:05:55,070 gain professional recognition or better compensation. 109 00:05:55,070 --> 00:05:58,390 And I'll just say a note about that word, "authentically." 110 00:05:58,390 --> 00:06:01,670 Sometimes, you might feel like you have the basic skills 111 00:06:01,670 --> 00:06:04,240 and understandings to do your job. 112 00:06:04,240 --> 00:06:08,610 Authentic, to me, has to do with really experiencing 113 00:06:08,610 --> 00:06:13,950 your work as faith formation, being theologically grounded, 114 00:06:13,950 --> 00:06:19,210 and doing your work in sync with Unitarian Universalist 115 00:06:19,210 --> 00:06:25,290 principles and values. 116 00:06:25,290 --> 00:06:28,720 Why is professional development important for you? 117 00:06:28,720 --> 00:06:31,780 Well, I think it's just fundamental to who we 118 00:06:31,780 --> 00:06:33,850 are as Unitarian Universalists. 119 00:06:33,850 --> 00:06:34,540 Right? 120 00:06:34,540 --> 00:06:36,380 Revelation is continuous. 121 00:06:36,380 --> 00:06:38,660 We are always learning. 122 00:06:38,660 --> 00:06:42,590 And so this is in keeping with that spirit of who we want 123 00:06:42,590 --> 00:06:46,290 to be as religious people and, certainly, 124 00:06:46,290 --> 00:06:48,311 who we want to be as educators. 125 00:06:48,311 --> 00:06:48,810 Right? 126 00:06:48,810 --> 00:06:53,040 We want to model learning. 127 00:06:53,040 --> 00:06:55,900 You may have noticed that things seem 128 00:06:55,900 --> 00:06:57,680 to be changing all the time. 129 00:06:57,680 --> 00:06:58,320 Right? 130 00:06:58,320 --> 00:07:01,640 New technologies and new models of programming, 131 00:07:01,640 --> 00:07:06,980 different ways of thinking about congregations. 132 00:07:06,980 --> 00:07:11,650 So just to kind of hold steady and keep doing your job 133 00:07:11,650 --> 00:07:13,780 just sort of the way you've done it, 134 00:07:13,780 --> 00:07:15,530 you still need to be learning, to be 135 00:07:15,530 --> 00:07:20,340 gaining skills and getting new understandings of things, 136 00:07:20,340 --> 00:07:24,560 just to keep up with the flow. 137 00:07:24,560 --> 00:07:27,820 And I also think that professional development is 138 00:07:27,820 --> 00:07:30,510 a critical piece of self-care. 139 00:07:30,510 --> 00:07:35,070 It helps protect you against burnout, to stay fresh, 140 00:07:35,070 --> 00:07:40,140 to network, to be learning new things, to read and reflect, 141 00:07:40,140 --> 00:07:43,910 all that good stuff. 142 00:07:43,910 --> 00:07:48,790 So those are wonderful talking points for yourself. 143 00:07:48,790 --> 00:07:50,960 But your congregation, if you want 144 00:07:50,960 --> 00:07:56,240 to have a professional expense line, for instance, or to be 145 00:07:56,240 --> 00:07:59,110 given some time for professional development 146 00:07:59,110 --> 00:08:02,270 and not be told that that's part of your time off, 147 00:08:02,270 --> 00:08:05,920 you want to be able to make a case for why 148 00:08:05,920 --> 00:08:09,140 this is a good idea for your congregation. 149 00:08:09,140 --> 00:08:14,280 So I have a few talking points here, too. 150 00:08:14,280 --> 00:08:17,200 First of all, when you learn, you integrate that 151 00:08:17,200 --> 00:08:20,050 into your work, and you have stronger, more 152 00:08:20,050 --> 00:08:21,850 vital programming. 153 00:08:21,850 --> 00:08:24,850 It also helps with your general professionalism, 154 00:08:24,850 --> 00:08:27,110 your boundaries and your relationships 155 00:08:27,110 --> 00:08:30,150 with staff and congregation members. 156 00:08:30,150 --> 00:08:32,330 Your professional development can really 157 00:08:32,330 --> 00:08:36,120 help you with those professional identity pieces. 158 00:08:36,120 --> 00:08:40,664 Again, your congregation is probably somewhat aware, also, 159 00:08:40,664 --> 00:08:45,910 of the need to stay abreast in a rapidly changing environment. 160 00:08:45,910 --> 00:08:50,130 And then, they might also appreciate 161 00:08:50,130 --> 00:08:54,350 that it is care and feeding of the staff, again, that 162 00:08:54,350 --> 00:08:58,070 protecting against burnout. 163 00:08:58,070 --> 00:09:02,751 I wish I had just the perfect piece of universal advice 164 00:09:02,751 --> 00:09:03,250 for you. 165 00:09:03,250 --> 00:09:05,570 If you're thinking, gosh, there's 166 00:09:05,570 --> 00:09:08,120 so many things I'd love to do, I don't have the budget, 167 00:09:08,120 --> 00:09:10,830 my congregation doesn't really understand, 168 00:09:10,830 --> 00:09:12,440 we'll come back to that a little bit 169 00:09:12,440 --> 00:09:14,510 when we talk about time and money. 170 00:09:14,510 --> 00:09:18,180 Situations are varied. 171 00:09:18,180 --> 00:09:22,470 Sometimes, you'll have allies in your congregation who can help, 172 00:09:22,470 --> 00:09:24,930 you know someone on the RE committee 173 00:09:24,930 --> 00:09:27,930 who might see a wonderful thing and think, wow, 174 00:09:27,930 --> 00:09:31,110 wouldn't it be great if we could send our DRE to that? 175 00:09:31,110 --> 00:09:34,560 I will hope for all of you that your supervisor 176 00:09:34,560 --> 00:09:39,060 is an advocate for you of continuing to grow and learn 177 00:09:39,060 --> 00:09:40,370 in your position. 178 00:09:40,370 --> 00:09:41,520 So we'll come back to that. 179 00:09:41,520 --> 00:09:45,980 But I want to let you know that I recognize that it just 180 00:09:45,980 --> 00:09:48,240 feels really hard sometimes because there's 181 00:09:48,240 --> 00:09:50,890 so many things that you'd like to do 182 00:09:50,890 --> 00:09:58,660 that don't seem possible within your budget or your work week. 183 00:09:58,660 --> 00:10:00,990 I want to say a note about interims. 184 00:10:00,990 --> 00:10:03,080 I don't know if any of you are doing 185 00:10:03,080 --> 00:10:05,450 or have done interim work. 186 00:10:05,450 --> 00:10:08,160 An interim is, by definition, someone 187 00:10:08,160 --> 00:10:11,490 who's only in a position for a limited period of time. 188 00:10:11,490 --> 00:10:13,820 And our interims have a special challenge 189 00:10:13,820 --> 00:10:16,080 in convincing their congregations 190 00:10:16,080 --> 00:10:18,300 that they should be invested in. 191 00:10:18,300 --> 00:10:22,900 And of course, that's a way of paying it forward. 192 00:10:22,900 --> 00:10:25,630 So if any of you kind of get this, well, you're only here 193 00:10:25,630 --> 00:10:28,430 for a year or two, we're going to save it 194 00:10:28,430 --> 00:10:32,070 for the next person, that's worth pushing on a bit. 195 00:10:32,070 --> 00:10:35,940 Because the system only works if every congregation really 196 00:10:35,940 --> 00:10:40,950 recognizes the imperative of helping their staff grow. 197 00:10:40,950 --> 00:10:43,480 So whoever your staff is now, they 198 00:10:43,480 --> 00:10:50,330 deserve encouragement to be continuing learners 199 00:10:50,330 --> 00:10:53,970 in their work. 200 00:10:53,970 --> 00:10:57,460 So this is a time where I'm going to give you a minute 201 00:10:57,460 --> 00:11:00,820 to just think about these things that I've listed here 202 00:11:00,820 --> 00:11:04,700 as different potential motivators. 203 00:11:04,700 --> 00:11:07,890 Everybody has different reasons for wanting to pursue 204 00:11:07,890 --> 00:11:09,200 professional development. 205 00:11:09,200 --> 00:11:16,270 There's a unique set of reasons for everyone. 206 00:11:16,270 --> 00:11:20,119 So I've listed what I think are the main ones that come up. 207 00:11:20,119 --> 00:11:20,910 And I'll read them. 208 00:11:20,910 --> 00:11:22,785 And then, I'm just going to give you a minute 209 00:11:22,785 --> 00:11:24,470 to just look at them and think about 210 00:11:24,470 --> 00:11:28,140 what is driving you to be interested in professional 211 00:11:28,140 --> 00:11:31,170 development, why did you come on this webinar, what 212 00:11:31,170 --> 00:11:32,980 are you hoping to accomplish? 213 00:11:32,980 --> 00:11:37,040 So certainly, gaining knowledge and skill 214 00:11:37,040 --> 00:11:40,870 to help you in your current job or to help you 215 00:11:40,870 --> 00:11:45,690 prepare for a future role, recognition and validation 216 00:11:45,690 --> 00:11:49,438 from both within your congregation and beyond it, 217 00:11:49,438 --> 00:11:52,970 opportunities for growth and renewal 218 00:11:52,970 --> 00:11:55,960 and faith formation for yourself, 219 00:11:55,960 --> 00:11:59,190 connecting with other professionals, 220 00:11:59,190 --> 00:12:03,680 elevating the profession of religious education, 221 00:12:03,680 --> 00:12:05,750 and higher compensation. 222 00:12:05,750 --> 00:12:06,590 Any one of those. 223 00:12:06,590 --> 00:12:09,280 And you might have other thoughts about what 224 00:12:09,280 --> 00:12:11,280 your primary motivators are. 225 00:12:11,280 --> 00:12:13,280 So I'm just going to give you a minute to think. 226 00:12:13,280 --> 00:12:15,550 If you feel like writing, in your group 227 00:12:15,550 --> 00:12:19,930 chat, which one or two of those jump out to you the most, 228 00:12:19,930 --> 00:12:20,570 go ahead. 229 00:12:20,570 --> 00:13:26,120 But absolutely no obligation. 230 00:13:26,120 --> 00:13:26,910 Well, thank you. 231 00:13:26,910 --> 00:13:30,470 So that was a thought exercise for you 232 00:13:30,470 --> 00:13:33,700 that's worth really continually thinking about. 233 00:13:33,700 --> 00:13:37,250 Because that really will influence your choices 234 00:13:37,250 --> 00:13:40,550 and maybe influence the way you communicate 235 00:13:40,550 --> 00:13:44,480 with people in your congregation about why you want 236 00:13:44,480 --> 00:13:49,730 to do a particular activity. 237 00:13:49,730 --> 00:13:53,030 This is my latest rendition of, "What 238 00:13:53,030 --> 00:13:55,120 does professional development look like?" 239 00:13:55,120 --> 00:13:58,540 I've been horsing around with this graphic for a while. 240 00:13:58,540 --> 00:14:01,220 And this is what I've come up with right now. 241 00:14:01,220 --> 00:14:03,290 So I think of professional development 242 00:14:03,290 --> 00:14:06,250 as having two main forms. 243 00:14:06,250 --> 00:14:08,550 And one is education. 244 00:14:08,550 --> 00:14:12,200 And that can be in the form of things like work experience. 245 00:14:12,200 --> 00:14:15,620 But it's often what we think of as sort of your structured 246 00:14:15,620 --> 00:14:21,070 learning, like books or taking a training or taking a course. 247 00:14:21,070 --> 00:14:26,430 But I also feel like the other side of that is formation. 248 00:14:26,430 --> 00:14:29,160 So that's your life experiences and things 249 00:14:29,160 --> 00:14:33,640 like self-care and reflection and spiritual practice 250 00:14:33,640 --> 00:14:38,540 that really help to ground you and maybe 251 00:14:38,540 --> 00:14:42,430 lets some of your learning really 252 00:14:42,430 --> 00:14:50,220 settle in and become part of who you are as a professional. 253 00:14:50,220 --> 00:14:53,420 Certainly, some of those formational things 254 00:14:53,420 --> 00:15:02,220 can help you with boundaries, coping with stress, conflict, 255 00:15:02,220 --> 00:15:05,620 complicated situations, certainly again thinking 256 00:15:05,620 --> 00:15:09,180 about your work as faith formation itself. 257 00:15:09,180 --> 00:15:12,550 Those formational pieces of professional development 258 00:15:12,550 --> 00:15:14,280 are very important. 259 00:15:14,280 --> 00:15:23,330 And certainly, relationships with colleagues and mentors. 260 00:15:23,330 --> 00:15:29,530 So before we talk about some specific experiences, 261 00:15:29,530 --> 00:15:32,410 I wanted you to consider these distinctions. 262 00:15:32,410 --> 00:15:35,450 And I would recommend that if you are making up 263 00:15:35,450 --> 00:15:41,450 a plan for yourself, that you might find yourself looking 264 00:15:41,450 --> 00:15:43,750 at all these different distinctions 265 00:15:43,750 --> 00:15:47,300 and having a nice blend of things. 266 00:15:47,300 --> 00:15:49,940 Some areas you might be, for instance, 267 00:15:49,940 --> 00:15:54,150 more introductory and some more advanced. 268 00:15:54,150 --> 00:15:59,460 Certainly, the education and formation that we talked about. 269 00:15:59,460 --> 00:16:04,120 The third bullet down, content and process, I'll 270 00:16:04,120 --> 00:16:08,150 say a little bit about that and I'll use the RE Credentialing 271 00:16:08,150 --> 00:16:10,970 Program as an example of something 272 00:16:10,970 --> 00:16:14,560 that I would call a process rather than content. 273 00:16:14,560 --> 00:16:19,750 Because if you look at what you need to do for credentialing, 274 00:16:19,750 --> 00:16:23,030 it really is up to you to figure out how 275 00:16:23,030 --> 00:16:26,190 to get those competency pieces. 276 00:16:26,190 --> 00:16:29,830 It's not a training that you show up for. 277 00:16:29,830 --> 00:16:32,870 It's actually your portfolio is going 278 00:16:32,870 --> 00:16:37,800 to give you an opportunity to reflect and write up things 279 00:16:37,800 --> 00:16:40,720 that you've already done. 280 00:16:40,720 --> 00:16:45,790 And Alicia has posted the link for the credentialing-- 281 00:16:45,790 --> 00:16:46,780 the main page. 282 00:16:46,780 --> 00:16:48,430 And we have a new program out. 283 00:16:48,430 --> 00:16:53,540 So if you're interested, I have new materials for you. 284 00:16:53,540 --> 00:16:58,270 RE audience or mixed professionals or team-based. 285 00:16:58,270 --> 00:17:00,230 Some of my favorite things have really 286 00:17:00,230 --> 00:17:03,950 been when they're not just for religious educators. 287 00:17:03,950 --> 00:17:08,270 They're for whole staff teams or groups of mixed professionals. 288 00:17:08,270 --> 00:17:11,859 Also, sometimes, outside of a UU context, 289 00:17:11,859 --> 00:17:14,060 some things that you'll find will really help you. 290 00:17:14,060 --> 00:17:20,119 It's really cool to be in a mix with people who aren't just UU 291 00:17:20,119 --> 00:17:22,910 or aren't just religious educators. 292 00:17:22,910 --> 00:17:24,670 Some people take things. 293 00:17:24,670 --> 00:17:27,420 There's a University of Phoenix course 294 00:17:27,420 --> 00:17:30,765 that a number of our people in the Credentialing Program 295 00:17:30,765 --> 00:17:34,960 are taking that's for-- it's like teacher 296 00:17:34,960 --> 00:17:36,580 professional development. 297 00:17:36,580 --> 00:17:38,580 And some people think it's so cool 298 00:17:38,580 --> 00:17:42,270 to go through something with people who are mainly educators 299 00:17:42,270 --> 00:17:44,310 in a standard setting. 300 00:17:44,310 --> 00:17:46,940 And some find it a little frustrating because they don't 301 00:17:46,940 --> 00:17:49,040 see quite how it translates. 302 00:17:49,040 --> 00:17:50,980 So it's really interesting. 303 00:17:50,980 --> 00:17:53,260 It's cool to try a mix. 304 00:17:53,260 --> 00:17:57,960 Certainly, independent learning and group learning. 305 00:17:57,960 --> 00:18:01,000 And now, more and more, we have the option 306 00:18:01,000 --> 00:18:07,930 of doing things online. 307 00:18:07,930 --> 00:18:09,970 Let's take a minute and talk about 308 00:18:09,970 --> 00:18:11,740 your professional pathway. 309 00:18:11,740 --> 00:18:14,460 Actually, I'm going to give you a little example of something 310 00:18:14,460 --> 00:18:16,610 from my own professional development 311 00:18:16,610 --> 00:18:19,490 that ties some of these ideas together. 312 00:18:19,490 --> 00:18:24,130 Last year, I wanted to learn a little more about gamification, 313 00:18:24,130 --> 00:18:28,740 which is the use of game elements and techniques 314 00:18:28,740 --> 00:18:30,940 in non-game settings. 315 00:18:30,940 --> 00:18:33,150 So I was thinking about how could we 316 00:18:33,150 --> 00:18:36,120 make certain professional development 317 00:18:36,120 --> 00:18:41,040 things more interesting by incorporating points 318 00:18:41,040 --> 00:18:44,080 or colorful doo-dads or whatever. 319 00:18:44,080 --> 00:18:47,270 And I was kind of interested in exploring that. 320 00:18:47,270 --> 00:18:50,970 And so what I ended up finding was a MOOC. 321 00:18:50,970 --> 00:18:52,410 Has anyone heard of a MOOC? 322 00:18:52,410 --> 00:18:55,480 It's a Massive Open Online Course. 323 00:18:55,480 --> 00:19:00,730 And these are college courses that you can take free online. 324 00:19:00,730 --> 00:19:02,590 And it's just incredible. 325 00:19:02,590 --> 00:19:05,860 I don't completely understand the business model. 326 00:19:05,860 --> 00:19:08,750 But if you're looking for a basic course, 327 00:19:08,750 --> 00:19:14,550 it could be chemistry, statistics, psychology. 328 00:19:14,550 --> 00:19:16,760 There's just a whole array of things 329 00:19:16,760 --> 00:19:19,050 that you can do absolutely free online. 330 00:19:19,050 --> 00:19:20,730 Well, the one that I took, it happened 331 00:19:20,730 --> 00:19:24,020 to be through the University of Pennsylvania's Wharton School. 332 00:19:24,020 --> 00:19:28,150 And basically, the professor for that course 333 00:19:28,150 --> 00:19:31,200 taught the course as a series of little videos. 334 00:19:31,200 --> 00:19:34,430 And we had quizzes and assignments that we did. 335 00:19:34,430 --> 00:19:37,770 So he also had written a book on the subject. 336 00:19:37,770 --> 00:19:39,840 So I had many options. 337 00:19:39,840 --> 00:19:44,160 I can just go buy his book for probably Kindle version 338 00:19:44,160 --> 00:19:46,150 for $10 or something. 339 00:19:46,150 --> 00:19:48,370 That would have been one option. 340 00:19:48,370 --> 00:19:51,910 I could watch all the little videos. 341 00:19:51,910 --> 00:19:53,810 Since it's free, a lot of people just 342 00:19:53,810 --> 00:19:55,920 sign up so they get the videos, even 343 00:19:55,920 --> 00:19:57,930 though they're not going to do the assignments. 344 00:19:57,930 --> 00:20:00,970 So I could have done that, and that would have been free. 345 00:20:00,970 --> 00:20:04,690 I could've done what I did, which was also free, 346 00:20:04,690 --> 00:20:07,030 which is I watched the videos, and I actually 347 00:20:07,030 --> 00:20:11,170 did the assignments and got a statement of accomplishment 348 00:20:11,170 --> 00:20:15,050 that said I successfully completed this course. 349 00:20:15,050 --> 00:20:18,880 I could've paid $50 and gotten some fancier 350 00:20:18,880 --> 00:20:21,290 kind of certificate that's a little bit 351 00:20:21,290 --> 00:20:24,480 more transcript-like, a little bit more official. 352 00:20:24,480 --> 00:20:29,290 But I'm cheap, and I didn't think I needed it for anything. 353 00:20:29,290 --> 00:20:32,120 Or I could have paid a few thousand dollars 354 00:20:32,120 --> 00:20:35,530 and actually gone to the University of Pennsylvania 355 00:20:35,530 --> 00:20:39,340 and taken a three-credit course. 356 00:20:39,340 --> 00:20:41,370 And so I'm going through some detail 357 00:20:41,370 --> 00:20:45,170 there to just remind you that for any content, and even 358 00:20:45,170 --> 00:20:48,640 sometimes any particular learning experience, 359 00:20:48,640 --> 00:20:51,690 there's a whole variety of different ways 360 00:20:51,690 --> 00:20:53,190 that you can engage it. 361 00:20:53,190 --> 00:20:55,020 And it depends on your needs. 362 00:20:55,020 --> 00:20:57,190 You might need college credits. 363 00:20:57,190 --> 00:21:02,510 You might really just be in it for the learning. 364 00:21:02,510 --> 00:21:05,570 You might be able to just read a handful of articles 365 00:21:05,570 --> 00:21:08,170 that you find online on a topic. 366 00:21:08,170 --> 00:21:10,550 And that's your professional development 367 00:21:10,550 --> 00:21:14,580 on a particular subject. 368 00:21:14,580 --> 00:21:17,560 I do that a lot. 369 00:21:17,560 --> 00:21:19,840 So what I'd like to do with all of that 370 00:21:19,840 --> 00:21:23,300 in mind, these different distinctions and different ways 371 00:21:23,300 --> 00:21:26,550 of engaging based on your own learning 372 00:21:26,550 --> 00:21:29,660 style and your needs and your motivations, 373 00:21:29,660 --> 00:21:32,280 I'd like you to take another, probably a little 374 00:21:32,280 --> 00:21:37,870 under a minute to just look at this professional development 375 00:21:37,870 --> 00:21:40,030 pathway graphic. 376 00:21:40,030 --> 00:21:45,650 And think about those stones as your learning experiences. 377 00:21:45,650 --> 00:21:49,240 So back to where it said education and formation. 378 00:21:49,240 --> 00:21:53,680 So the stones are your learning pieces. 379 00:21:53,680 --> 00:21:57,990 So that's your Renaissance modules and your books 380 00:21:57,990 --> 00:22:01,430 and your courses and your trainings. 381 00:22:01,430 --> 00:22:03,920 And then, you see that those stones 382 00:22:03,920 --> 00:22:07,200 are surrounded by mortar. 383 00:22:07,200 --> 00:22:09,660 And that mortar is your formation. 384 00:22:09,660 --> 00:22:13,040 So those are the things you do for yourself 385 00:22:13,040 --> 00:22:16,250 to help you maintain your professional grounding 386 00:22:16,250 --> 00:22:17,540 in identity. 387 00:22:17,540 --> 00:22:20,720 And you really don't have a solid path 388 00:22:20,720 --> 00:22:22,680 unless you have both. 389 00:22:22,680 --> 00:22:26,740 Those rocks, those stones, those solid pieces, 390 00:22:26,740 --> 00:22:32,180 they need to be set in those grounding activities. 391 00:22:32,180 --> 00:22:35,610 And the mortar by itself doesn't really make a very good pathway 392 00:22:35,610 --> 00:22:36,810 either. 393 00:22:36,810 --> 00:22:38,630 So I'm going to give you just a minute 394 00:22:38,630 --> 00:22:42,650 to think about what your professional development 395 00:22:42,650 --> 00:22:43,740 pathway looks like. 396 00:22:43,740 --> 00:22:46,250 Maybe there's a fork in the road. 397 00:22:46,250 --> 00:22:48,630 Maybe there's a puddle. 398 00:22:48,630 --> 00:22:52,750 Maybe there's a big sign that points you to something. 399 00:22:52,750 --> 00:22:56,470 So this is just kind of a creative, metaphorical 400 00:22:56,470 --> 00:22:57,240 exercise. 401 00:22:57,240 --> 00:23:44,900 I'll just give you a little time to look at it. 402 00:23:44,900 --> 00:23:47,970 So I hope you'll come back to this exercise once in awhile, 403 00:23:47,970 --> 00:23:50,990 just for yourself to kind of give yourself 404 00:23:50,990 --> 00:23:54,570 something to think about in terms of where you're heading 405 00:23:54,570 --> 00:23:57,580 and where you've come from in your development 406 00:23:57,580 --> 00:24:00,920 as a professional. 407 00:24:00,920 --> 00:24:05,120 Let's talk about some specific learning opportunities. 408 00:24:05,120 --> 00:24:07,680 And there are just so many. 409 00:24:07,680 --> 00:24:12,660 It's crazy, both UU-based and non-UU. 410 00:24:12,660 --> 00:24:15,650 There's so many choices out there, 411 00:24:15,650 --> 00:24:20,780 certainly through Unitarian Universalist organizations. 412 00:24:20,780 --> 00:24:24,070 The Faith Development Office has these webinars. 413 00:24:24,070 --> 00:24:26,670 There are Renaissance modules. 414 00:24:26,670 --> 00:24:31,630 And Pat is our fearless leader on those. 415 00:24:31,630 --> 00:24:37,100 Your region or cluster or district 416 00:24:37,100 --> 00:24:40,530 might have trainings and events. 417 00:24:40,530 --> 00:24:42,520 And certainly, there are national events, 418 00:24:42,520 --> 00:24:46,790 things like General Assembly and other national opportunities. 419 00:24:46,790 --> 00:24:52,370 Study groups-- and don't be shy about organizing your own study 420 00:24:52,370 --> 00:24:53,130 group. 421 00:24:53,130 --> 00:25:00,050 So you might inspire your LREDA chapter or a cluster nearby. 422 00:25:00,050 --> 00:25:02,335 Or even, you could do it online and have people 423 00:25:02,335 --> 00:25:04,330 all across the country. 424 00:25:04,330 --> 00:25:08,000 If you want to just have a conversation about a book 425 00:25:08,000 --> 00:25:13,370 together or if you went home from LREDA Fall Conference 426 00:25:13,370 --> 00:25:15,700 and there was something that stuck with you 427 00:25:15,700 --> 00:25:17,570 and you'd love to have a conversation, 428 00:25:17,570 --> 00:25:21,490 you might be able to make a study group out of that. 429 00:25:21,490 --> 00:25:25,100 Our professional organizations, like LREDA and identity 430 00:25:25,100 --> 00:25:28,800 organizations, also trainings, events. 431 00:25:28,800 --> 00:25:30,070 There are websites. 432 00:25:30,070 --> 00:25:33,310 There's a ton of stuff just on the websites, lots 433 00:25:33,310 --> 00:25:37,810 of resources, and then, certainly our listservs. 434 00:25:37,810 --> 00:25:39,920 If you're not familiar with it, there's 435 00:25:39,920 --> 00:25:44,270 a course called "Sexuality Issues for Religious Educators" 436 00:25:44,270 --> 00:25:48,650 that's offered by Debra Haffner and the Religious Institute. 437 00:25:48,650 --> 00:25:53,530 That is definitely worth taking. 438 00:25:53,530 --> 00:25:54,520 It's a good course. 439 00:25:54,520 --> 00:25:56,930 It's not too expensive. 440 00:25:56,930 --> 00:26:02,160 And it's done online, pretty much on your own time. 441 00:26:02,160 --> 00:26:06,210 So that's a great thing to look into, important information. 442 00:26:06,210 --> 00:26:09,370 The Church of the Larger Fellowship has offerings. 443 00:26:09,370 --> 00:26:11,670 Our UU Camp and Conference Centers 444 00:26:11,670 --> 00:26:14,880 often have programs going on. 445 00:26:14,880 --> 00:26:20,210 And I'll say a few words about the RE Credentialing Program 446 00:26:20,210 --> 00:26:24,310 a little later. 447 00:26:24,310 --> 00:26:28,320 And non-UUA, I mean this is almost harder because they're 448 00:26:28,320 --> 00:26:30,560 just a zillion of them. 449 00:26:30,560 --> 00:26:34,380 And I know Alicia has a few links that people suggested 450 00:26:34,380 --> 00:26:35,620 on the Tuesday webinar. 451 00:26:35,620 --> 00:26:37,420 So you'll get the advantage. 452 00:26:37,420 --> 00:26:42,290 And if you know other ones, feel free to put them in the chat. 453 00:26:42,290 --> 00:26:45,480 Things done through the community, local college 454 00:26:45,480 --> 00:26:48,980 courses or online college courses, the MOOCs, 455 00:26:48,980 --> 00:26:54,030 like I described to you a few minutes ago, 456 00:26:54,030 --> 00:26:57,980 other religious organizations and interfaith groups, books, 457 00:26:57,980 --> 00:27:00,440 websites, anything else. 458 00:27:00,440 --> 00:27:06,130 So there are a few things that Alicia is going to post. 459 00:27:06,130 --> 00:27:07,760 Anybody else have anything? 460 00:27:07,760 --> 00:27:13,240 I'm getting a message that my audio me is degrading. 461 00:27:13,240 --> 00:27:18,810 How am I sounding to you? 462 00:27:18,810 --> 00:27:19,650 It sounds fine. 463 00:27:19,650 --> 00:27:23,720 OK, I'll ignore it. 464 00:27:23,720 --> 00:27:27,940 Great. 465 00:27:27,940 --> 00:27:35,530 All right, so yeah, Alicia is posting-- 466 00:27:35,530 --> 00:27:39,930 like the lifelongfaith.com, there are trainings. 467 00:27:39,930 --> 00:27:42,580 vibrantfaith.org, they have great websites, 468 00:27:42,580 --> 00:27:44,240 great resources. 469 00:27:44,240 --> 00:27:52,590 There's just a ton of stuff. 470 00:27:52,590 --> 00:27:57,120 Let me say a few words about the RE Credentialing Program. 471 00:27:57,120 --> 00:28:00,790 So like I said, it's more of a process 472 00:28:00,790 --> 00:28:04,010 than it is actual content. 473 00:28:04,010 --> 00:28:08,500 It's a chance for you to figure out the content mainly 474 00:28:08,500 --> 00:28:13,160 so your portfolio provides a framework for documenting how 475 00:28:13,160 --> 00:28:16,940 you've applied your knowledge and skills across competency 476 00:28:16,940 --> 00:28:18,840 areas in your work. 477 00:28:18,840 --> 00:28:21,330 It's a way of being more intentional 478 00:28:21,330 --> 00:28:24,450 in your professional development. 479 00:28:24,450 --> 00:28:26,020 It's a formational process. 480 00:28:26,020 --> 00:28:28,450 And I always love hearing people who 481 00:28:28,450 --> 00:28:31,690 kind of went through the Credentialing Program 482 00:28:31,690 --> 00:28:35,200 fairly late in the game, more because they just 483 00:28:35,200 --> 00:28:37,560 wanted the validation of it. 484 00:28:37,560 --> 00:28:41,520 They were already feeling like they were pretty up 485 00:28:41,520 --> 00:28:42,790 there in their careers. 486 00:28:42,790 --> 00:28:44,350 And they really just wanted to be 487 00:28:44,350 --> 00:28:48,200 recognized as a credentialed religious educator. 488 00:28:48,200 --> 00:28:50,490 And they'll say how much they got out of it, 489 00:28:50,490 --> 00:28:53,480 how much they learned, and just that it was really 490 00:28:53,480 --> 00:28:57,420 a deep formational process for them, that going back 491 00:28:57,420 --> 00:29:02,390 and just being able to reflect and write about all the work 492 00:29:02,390 --> 00:29:05,010 that they had done in the past. 493 00:29:05,010 --> 00:29:08,760 Of course, it leads to associational recognition. 494 00:29:08,760 --> 00:29:10,310 And it's quite flexible. 495 00:29:10,310 --> 00:29:11,880 There are a lot of options. 496 00:29:11,880 --> 00:29:14,420 There are a lot of things that you pick, 497 00:29:14,420 --> 00:29:18,230 books and certain categories and, certainly, 498 00:29:18,230 --> 00:29:20,720 trainings and work experiences. 499 00:29:20,720 --> 00:29:27,050 It's meant to allow you to figure out your own way. 500 00:29:27,050 --> 00:29:29,710 And it is not something that is intended 501 00:29:29,710 --> 00:29:33,030 for people who are brand new to their positions. 502 00:29:33,030 --> 00:29:37,490 Although, I always direct people to the RE Credentialing Program 503 00:29:37,490 --> 00:29:40,640 plan and book list anyway because there's 504 00:29:40,640 --> 00:29:43,750 a lot of good stuff in there that you can work from. 505 00:29:43,750 --> 00:29:47,710 But I would rather have people get their feet on the ground 506 00:29:47,710 --> 00:29:49,430 and kind of get a feel for what's 507 00:29:49,430 --> 00:29:52,400 in that Credentialing Program, but not try 508 00:29:52,400 --> 00:29:58,190 to jump into it immediately. 509 00:29:58,190 --> 00:30:01,540 Thanks, Alicia, for posting all those things. 510 00:30:01,540 --> 00:30:05,270 I'll mention it toward the bottom of the box 511 00:30:05,270 --> 00:30:09,520 that Alicia just posted is Growing Vital Leaders. 512 00:30:09,520 --> 00:30:14,110 It's a blog that the UUA puts out. 513 00:30:14,110 --> 00:30:18,500 And there's a whole page of curated resources 514 00:30:18,500 --> 00:30:20,330 and a whole bunch of neat categories 515 00:30:20,330 --> 00:30:22,880 that were developed for lay-leaders. 516 00:30:22,880 --> 00:30:29,830 But many of them are just as applicable to professionals. 517 00:30:29,830 --> 00:30:34,290 So if you aren't able to scroll through and copy and paste 518 00:30:34,290 --> 00:30:39,410 all this, Alicia can get the whole chat to you 519 00:30:39,410 --> 00:30:42,620 when we're done. 520 00:30:42,620 --> 00:30:49,580 All right, so time, always a problem. 521 00:30:49,580 --> 00:30:52,700 There never quite seems to be about enough time 522 00:30:52,700 --> 00:30:54,190 to do what you want to do. 523 00:30:54,190 --> 00:30:55,600 So there are two issues. 524 00:30:55,600 --> 00:30:56,960 Well, there are at least two. 525 00:30:56,960 --> 00:31:04,230 One of them is that you don't have the time in your job. 526 00:31:04,230 --> 00:31:08,220 Whether you're 10 hours a week or 40 hours a week, 527 00:31:08,220 --> 00:31:10,440 there are activities you want to do 528 00:31:10,440 --> 00:31:13,280 or you really want is a set aside 529 00:31:13,280 --> 00:31:18,060 some regular time every week or every month, which I recommend. 530 00:31:18,060 --> 00:31:20,190 And you don't seem to be able to make 531 00:31:20,190 --> 00:31:26,050 that happen within the time that you're paid for. 532 00:31:26,050 --> 00:31:28,770 And then, there's just time in life. 533 00:31:28,770 --> 00:31:31,610 Like sometimes, you can't make time for it, 534 00:31:31,610 --> 00:31:34,720 even if it's your own time. 535 00:31:34,720 --> 00:31:38,560 So a couple things, one is to say that sometimes 536 00:31:38,560 --> 00:31:42,370 professional development, it just is on your own time. 537 00:31:42,370 --> 00:31:47,880 There's no way we're going to be able to do the reading and some 538 00:31:47,880 --> 00:31:51,110 of the pieces that we want to do all on work time. 539 00:31:51,110 --> 00:31:57,160 And I don't have any hard and fast guidelines about what 540 00:31:57,160 --> 00:31:59,980 happens on work time and what doesn't. 541 00:31:59,980 --> 00:32:02,220 Certainly, if you go to an event, 542 00:32:02,220 --> 00:32:06,120 that should not be counted as time off. 543 00:32:06,120 --> 00:32:10,640 So make sure if you go to a Renaissance module or a LREDA 544 00:32:10,640 --> 00:32:14,430 conference or something like that, that is 545 00:32:14,430 --> 00:32:16,790 meant to be included as work. 546 00:32:16,790 --> 00:32:22,420 That is not vacation. 547 00:32:22,420 --> 00:32:26,840 And I'll also say that-- well, and I am thinking of myself. 548 00:32:26,840 --> 00:32:29,220 And I do quite a bit of reading on my own time. 549 00:32:29,220 --> 00:32:31,910 Certainly, I did that gamification class 550 00:32:31,910 --> 00:32:34,170 on my own time. 551 00:32:34,170 --> 00:32:39,360 But this is something to work out with your supervisor 552 00:32:39,360 --> 00:32:41,770 and have some understandings. 553 00:32:41,770 --> 00:32:44,550 Some of the good practices that we recommend 554 00:32:44,550 --> 00:32:46,980 are equity across professionals. 555 00:32:46,980 --> 00:32:53,780 So if you're seeing that other professional leaders 556 00:32:53,780 --> 00:32:55,670 in your congregation, like the minister 557 00:32:55,670 --> 00:33:02,490 or other professionals, are able to attend conferences or have 558 00:33:02,490 --> 00:33:10,210 professional subscriptions to magazines or whatever it is, 559 00:33:10,210 --> 00:33:13,590 it's very much suggested that that 560 00:33:13,590 --> 00:33:18,510 looks similar across our professional positions. 561 00:33:18,510 --> 00:33:21,740 I do recommend building professional development, 562 00:33:21,740 --> 00:33:25,350 in some way, into every week or every month. 563 00:33:25,350 --> 00:33:28,610 It's wonderful, especially if you're doing something 564 00:33:28,610 --> 00:33:30,740 like credentialing, sometimes you 565 00:33:30,740 --> 00:33:35,190 can sort of make a deal where every month you're 566 00:33:35,190 --> 00:33:38,980 allowed to take a day or something to work from home 567 00:33:38,980 --> 00:33:42,280 and just do credentialing, and that's part of your work day. 568 00:33:42,280 --> 00:33:45,380 Some people have been able to do things like that. 569 00:33:45,380 --> 00:33:49,050 Study leave and sabbatical time are great practices. 570 00:33:49,050 --> 00:33:52,570 I know that if you didn't get them already in your contract. 571 00:33:52,570 --> 00:33:56,830 When you're hired in, that can be hard to get later. 572 00:33:56,830 --> 00:34:01,130 But sometimes, you can negotiate for that. 573 00:34:01,130 --> 00:34:05,210 And we have a link here for a bunch more information 574 00:34:05,210 --> 00:34:08,560 from the Office of Church Staff Finances 575 00:34:08,560 --> 00:34:12,980 on professional development and fair compensation. 576 00:34:12,980 --> 00:34:15,030 And I don't know if you're hearing my cat. 577 00:34:15,030 --> 00:34:16,770 He Gets Hungry At 9:00. 578 00:34:16,770 --> 00:34:19,275 So I'm hoping someone else takes care of it. 579 00:34:19,275 --> 00:34:21,750 [LAUGHTER] 580 00:34:21,750 --> 00:34:30,790 So why don't we talk about money for a few minutes? 581 00:34:30,790 --> 00:34:32,929 The other thing I'll say about time-- 582 00:34:32,929 --> 00:34:35,710 I'll go back to this slide. 583 00:34:35,710 --> 00:34:41,929 I really think it's part of our ongoing professional work 584 00:34:41,929 --> 00:34:46,510 not to be crazed, that we should be 585 00:34:46,510 --> 00:34:54,310 modeling some kind of balance and well being in our lives. 586 00:34:54,310 --> 00:34:58,330 And so if you are in a situation where 587 00:34:58,330 --> 00:35:02,230 the idea of even just taking a little time to read a book 588 00:35:02,230 --> 00:35:04,490 and reflect on it or go to something, 589 00:35:04,490 --> 00:35:10,040 if it just feels unmanageable, like, oh, my gosh, 590 00:35:10,040 --> 00:35:13,170 this is just one more thing I have to do, rather than, wow, 591 00:35:13,170 --> 00:35:17,360 wouldn't this be-- if it doesn't feel centering and helping you 592 00:35:17,360 --> 00:35:20,680 and it just feels like one more thing that you have to squish 593 00:35:20,680 --> 00:35:23,720 in, I hope that you'll take some time with that 594 00:35:23,720 --> 00:35:28,930 and figure out maybe not a complete solution to it. 595 00:35:28,930 --> 00:35:33,060 But just reflect on it, in your role, 596 00:35:33,060 --> 00:35:36,760 modeling religious professionalism. 597 00:35:36,760 --> 00:35:40,880 It's important that we have time to reflect, 598 00:35:40,880 --> 00:35:43,650 spiritual practice, professional development. 599 00:35:43,650 --> 00:35:45,160 Those are just things that go along 600 00:35:45,160 --> 00:35:50,540 with being a good religious professional. 601 00:35:50,540 --> 00:35:53,110 All right, so money is the other one. 602 00:35:53,110 --> 00:35:56,230 And I'm going to say the same thing, that sometimes there's 603 00:35:56,230 --> 00:35:58,180 going to be something that you want to do, 604 00:35:58,180 --> 00:36:01,610 and your congregation is not going to pay for it. 605 00:36:01,610 --> 00:36:05,390 And you might just decide to do it on your own nickel. 606 00:36:05,390 --> 00:36:10,140 And I recognize that there is some privilege involved 607 00:36:10,140 --> 00:36:11,710 in me saying that. 608 00:36:11,710 --> 00:36:17,230 And it might be possible for some people more than others. 609 00:36:17,230 --> 00:36:20,710 But I know, just as you can't do all 610 00:36:20,710 --> 00:36:23,770 of your professional development on your work time, 611 00:36:23,770 --> 00:36:26,790 sometimes you might not be able to do everything you want 612 00:36:26,790 --> 00:36:33,130 to do on work money either. 613 00:36:33,130 --> 00:36:36,740 I wish that, again, I had perfect ways for you 614 00:36:36,740 --> 00:36:38,450 to advocate. 615 00:36:38,450 --> 00:36:49,430 Certainly, finding allies, show how 616 00:36:49,430 --> 00:36:52,080 it is of value to the congregation for you 617 00:36:52,080 --> 00:36:59,650 to attend conferences or go to trainings, take classes. 618 00:36:59,650 --> 00:37:04,190 I hope that your supervisors are allies for you in this. 619 00:37:04,190 --> 00:37:08,780 So again, some good practices, equity across professionals. 620 00:37:08,780 --> 00:37:10,610 The amount is going to vary. 621 00:37:10,610 --> 00:37:14,620 I did double check the fair compensation information. 622 00:37:14,620 --> 00:37:18,540 And the leadership level fair compensation 623 00:37:18,540 --> 00:37:27,470 for professional expense lines is 10% of salary or $5,000. 624 00:37:27,470 --> 00:37:30,930 And that's an amount that's prorated for part time. 625 00:37:30,930 --> 00:37:35,130 And some of our professionals may be up around that level. 626 00:37:35,130 --> 00:37:37,590 I know that many are not. 627 00:37:37,590 --> 00:37:41,710 What I would care about at least as much is, 628 00:37:41,710 --> 00:37:45,980 is there some kind of common philosophy 629 00:37:45,980 --> 00:37:50,060 that's being applied to all of the professionals? 630 00:37:50,060 --> 00:37:53,330 So it might not be the same percentage of salary. 631 00:37:53,330 --> 00:37:55,800 It might be you and your supervisor 632 00:37:55,800 --> 00:37:58,120 having a conversation about what are 633 00:37:58,120 --> 00:38:01,640 the things that feel most important to you 634 00:38:01,640 --> 00:38:02,500 to do this year? 635 00:38:02,500 --> 00:38:04,130 And how much are those going to cost? 636 00:38:04,130 --> 00:38:10,960 Let's look at how we can get the most important pieces covered. 637 00:38:10,960 --> 00:38:16,330 Professional expense lines can cover dues, training and event 638 00:38:16,330 --> 00:38:20,150 costs, professional books and publications. 639 00:38:20,150 --> 00:38:25,290 If they're used for items with residual value, 640 00:38:25,290 --> 00:38:27,270 technically that could be a book. 641 00:38:27,270 --> 00:38:30,830 But more, we're thinking of things like a laptop, 642 00:38:30,830 --> 00:38:35,640 if your laptop is bought with professional development funds. 643 00:38:35,640 --> 00:38:37,660 There are tax implications for that 644 00:38:37,660 --> 00:38:41,380 if you take it with you when you leave the job, 645 00:38:41,380 --> 00:38:46,770 if it's still yours beyond your work contract. 646 00:38:46,770 --> 00:38:53,980 And again, more information at the website 647 00:38:53,980 --> 00:38:57,750 for fair compensation. 648 00:38:57,750 --> 00:39:02,720 And I'm really coming to the end of what I wanted to say. 649 00:39:02,720 --> 00:39:04,310 I will say one more thing about money 650 00:39:04,310 --> 00:39:06,790 that I wish I'd put on this slide was 651 00:39:06,790 --> 00:39:12,040 to thank your congregation if they do pay for something. 652 00:39:12,040 --> 00:39:13,510 Put it in your newsletter. 653 00:39:13,510 --> 00:39:17,140 Find ways to get out there, this training meant so much to me, 654 00:39:17,140 --> 00:39:18,680 and here's what I learned and here's 655 00:39:18,680 --> 00:39:21,850 how I'm using it in my program. 656 00:39:21,850 --> 00:39:23,690 If your congregation didn't pay for it, 657 00:39:23,690 --> 00:39:25,357 you could still go out of your way 658 00:39:25,357 --> 00:39:26,690 to show them what your learning. 659 00:39:26,690 --> 00:39:29,530 But especially if you do anything 660 00:39:29,530 --> 00:39:33,620 on work time or work money, please go out 661 00:39:33,620 --> 00:39:36,490 of your way to make sure that people know 662 00:39:36,490 --> 00:39:41,820 it made a difference to you. 663 00:39:41,820 --> 00:39:45,160 And so I'd be really interested in things 664 00:39:45,160 --> 00:39:49,340 that you'd like to ask about. 665 00:39:49,340 --> 00:39:54,710 Pat Kahn: And Bob, if you want to say something, if you'll 666 00:39:54,710 --> 00:39:57,370 just raise your flag, and I can unmute you. 667 00:39:57,370 --> 00:40:00,520 And Jill and Sarah, if you want to chime in, 668 00:40:00,520 --> 00:40:02,010 I think you can unmute yourself. 669 00:40:02,010 --> 00:40:04,010 Or you could do the same thing, raise your flag, 670 00:40:04,010 --> 00:40:06,140 and I'll unmute you. 671 00:40:06,140 --> 00:40:13,310 Or you can also type a question into the Chat Box. 672 00:40:13,310 --> 00:40:15,880 As Jan was talking-- and I forgot to mention this when 673 00:40:15,880 --> 00:40:18,850 we had the Tuesday webinar. 674 00:40:18,850 --> 00:40:21,350 But I just put it in the Chat Box. 675 00:40:21,350 --> 00:40:24,250 When I was first a religious educator, 676 00:40:24,250 --> 00:40:27,290 there was not a lot of money in the professional development. 677 00:40:27,290 --> 00:40:29,340 And I remember I wanted to travel to something. 678 00:40:29,340 --> 00:40:34,890 And so I had a couple people I think on the RE committee that 679 00:40:34,890 --> 00:40:36,630 basically said, well, let's ask people 680 00:40:36,630 --> 00:40:39,210 to donate frequent flyer miles. 681 00:40:39,210 --> 00:40:42,500 And so that's another way to at least stretch, 682 00:40:42,500 --> 00:40:45,950 a little bit, the dollars. 683 00:40:45,950 --> 00:40:49,060 OK, and Bob writes, as a supervisor 684 00:40:49,060 --> 00:40:51,930 getting ready to search for lifespan RE, 685 00:40:51,930 --> 00:40:54,010 getting good ideas of how to advocate 686 00:40:54,010 --> 00:40:58,800 to the board and the search committee at this stage. 687 00:40:58,800 --> 00:41:02,860 Jan Gartner: Yeah, the sense I get 688 00:41:02,860 --> 00:41:07,800 is that some people's congregations are way 689 00:41:07,800 --> 00:41:10,660 low on awareness. 690 00:41:10,660 --> 00:41:12,390 And it could be because they just 691 00:41:12,390 --> 00:41:13,720 love their religious educator. 692 00:41:13,720 --> 00:41:18,010 And they just think, well, Pat, she's doing such a great job. 693 00:41:18,010 --> 00:41:20,600 We don't need to send her to anything. 694 00:41:20,600 --> 00:41:22,410 She's perfect. 695 00:41:22,410 --> 00:41:26,320 Or it could be that someone thinks that you're just mainly 696 00:41:26,320 --> 00:41:28,100 there to sharpen the crayons. 697 00:41:28,100 --> 00:41:32,330 And do you really need any special training to do that? 698 00:41:32,330 --> 00:41:34,350 So there are a variety of reasons 699 00:41:34,350 --> 00:41:39,510 that congregations might not be particularly savvy. 700 00:41:39,510 --> 00:41:42,860 And I'm thinking maybe after the first of the year, 701 00:41:42,860 --> 00:41:48,410 I'll try to collect some stories of how people have successfully 702 00:41:48,410 --> 00:41:49,810 worked through that challenge. 703 00:41:49,810 --> 00:41:53,420 Because I know some people just aren't sure where to start. 704 00:41:53,420 --> 00:41:56,690 Certainly, an ally can be helpful. 705 00:41:56,690 --> 00:41:59,890 And I would love to think that you 706 00:41:59,890 --> 00:42:07,880 have a supervisor as cool as Bob who will be an ally for you. 707 00:42:07,880 --> 00:42:11,680 Pat Kahn: Let me just jump in there, too. 708 00:42:11,680 --> 00:42:14,330 And I just totally lost my train of thought. 709 00:42:14,330 --> 00:42:17,160 Oh, I know what it was. 710 00:42:17,160 --> 00:42:22,330 The second Renaissance module I ever went to, 711 00:42:22,330 --> 00:42:25,490 a member of the RE committee came with me. 712 00:42:25,490 --> 00:42:30,860 And she was so impressed with just the group 713 00:42:30,860 --> 00:42:32,940 that was there and the different kind of learning 714 00:42:32,940 --> 00:42:34,990 and that she was learning something as well 715 00:42:34,990 --> 00:42:37,750 that she came back and then was the biggest 716 00:42:37,750 --> 00:42:38,930 advocate after that. 717 00:42:38,930 --> 00:42:41,370 Every time there was a Renaissance module, 718 00:42:41,370 --> 00:42:44,400 she made sure that I had money to be able to go to it. 719 00:42:44,400 --> 00:42:48,160 And she was out encouraging other people to participate. 720 00:42:48,160 --> 00:42:50,430 So it's a great thing that you can do sometimes 721 00:42:50,430 --> 00:42:53,910 to take somebody else along with you. 722 00:42:53,910 --> 00:42:57,830 Jan Gartner: That's a great idea. 723 00:42:57,830 --> 00:43:00,630 There are more and more things happening online, too. 724 00:43:00,630 --> 00:43:03,480 Pat, do you want to give a little Renaissance module 725 00:43:03,480 --> 00:43:04,740 update for a minute? 726 00:43:04,740 --> 00:43:05,890 Pat Kahn: Sure. 727 00:43:05,890 --> 00:43:09,060 I could just say pretty quickly if you're not aware of it, 728 00:43:09,060 --> 00:43:14,950 we have right now one totally online Renaissance module. 729 00:43:14,950 --> 00:43:17,040 And that's the UU history. 730 00:43:17,040 --> 00:43:24,080 And it is a series of eight webinars. 731 00:43:24,080 --> 00:43:28,910 And it still has the hallmark of a Renaissance program, 732 00:43:28,910 --> 00:43:31,830 a final project. 733 00:43:31,830 --> 00:43:36,100 But it's been getting really, really great evaluations 734 00:43:36,100 --> 00:43:37,710 from people. 735 00:43:37,710 --> 00:43:42,770 I just finished summarizing the latest 736 00:43:42,770 --> 00:43:46,670 version that just finished up a couple of weeks ago. 737 00:43:46,670 --> 00:43:51,260 And there were several different people who used the word, 738 00:43:51,260 --> 00:43:53,990 this was transformational. 739 00:43:53,990 --> 00:43:58,840 And it gives you enough time to go much deeper into things when 740 00:43:58,840 --> 00:44:01,800 you're doing things over the course of-- in most cases, 741 00:44:01,800 --> 00:44:03,710 people are doing it over 16 weeks. 742 00:44:03,710 --> 00:44:10,180 So not having something once a week, but every other week. 743 00:44:10,180 --> 00:44:13,550 So you can do a lot deeper and do a lot more reflection 744 00:44:13,550 --> 00:44:16,600 and have time to process things that you don't normally 745 00:44:16,600 --> 00:44:18,030 have if you're cramming everything 746 00:44:18,030 --> 00:44:21,580 into 15 hours in a weekend. 747 00:44:21,580 --> 00:44:24,480 There is another totally online, brand new 748 00:44:24,480 --> 00:44:27,380 Renaissance module coming sometime this spring 749 00:44:27,380 --> 00:44:29,370 on UU theology. 750 00:44:29,370 --> 00:44:36,150 And we are now experimenting with hybrid modules. 751 00:44:36,150 --> 00:44:40,070 And in fact, one of them just went on to the calendar today. 752 00:44:40,070 --> 00:44:45,060 In the Washington, DC area, Pat Infante 753 00:44:45,060 --> 00:44:51,360 is going to be leading a hybrid adult faith development 754 00:44:51,360 --> 00:44:52,700 Renaissance module. 755 00:44:52,700 --> 00:44:58,120 It'll consist of, I think, it's five webinars and then 756 00:44:58,120 --> 00:45:03,000 a portion of the day in person at the end. 757 00:45:03,000 --> 00:45:04,710 And so that is happening actually 758 00:45:04,710 --> 00:45:07,020 starting at the end of January. 759 00:45:07,020 --> 00:45:09,120 And there's another one that's not actually 760 00:45:09,120 --> 00:45:10,220 on the calendar yet. 761 00:45:10,220 --> 00:45:12,270 But since I'm one of the co-leaders of it, 762 00:45:12,270 --> 00:45:16,030 I know it's going to happen. 763 00:45:16,030 --> 00:45:18,110 Out in the Pacific Northwest, we're 764 00:45:18,110 --> 00:45:24,050 going to do the curriculum Renaissance module as a hybrid. 765 00:45:24,050 --> 00:45:28,660 So in April, May, and early June, there 766 00:45:28,660 --> 00:45:31,640 will be a series of, I think, we're doing four webinars. 767 00:45:31,640 --> 00:45:34,280 And then, on the Monday after General 768 00:45:34,280 --> 00:45:37,800 Assembly, which is of course in Portland this year, 769 00:45:37,800 --> 00:45:41,140 we'll have basically an all-day, in-person thing. 770 00:45:41,140 --> 00:45:44,450 So if you're going to General Assembly, 771 00:45:44,450 --> 00:45:49,160 you could take advantage of doing the hybrid that way. 772 00:45:49,160 --> 00:45:54,840 And we're really open to experimenting with hybrids. 773 00:45:54,840 --> 00:45:58,070 There are probably some Renaissance modules 774 00:45:58,070 --> 00:46:00,570 that wouldn't work well with a hybrid. 775 00:46:00,570 --> 00:46:03,990 I'm thinking of the new worship Renaissance module. 776 00:46:03,990 --> 00:46:07,430 That probably wouldn't work as well because you're really 777 00:46:07,430 --> 00:46:11,840 working together a lot and doing different kinds of worship. 778 00:46:11,840 --> 00:46:17,320 But most of the other ones, you could 779 00:46:17,320 --> 00:46:19,680 benefit from trying to do them as hybrids. 780 00:46:19,680 --> 00:46:23,840 So we're encouraging anybody who's interested, 781 00:46:23,840 --> 00:46:28,140 if your LREDA chapter or your district or regional staff 782 00:46:28,140 --> 00:46:30,950 want to help you organize it or even 783 00:46:30,950 --> 00:46:35,840 just-- the last couple of Renaissance modules 784 00:46:35,840 --> 00:46:38,680 that have happened in the Florida district 785 00:46:38,680 --> 00:46:42,360 and some of the other southern region districts 786 00:46:42,360 --> 00:46:44,410 have been because somebody really 787 00:46:44,410 --> 00:46:46,550 needed that Renaissance module. 788 00:46:46,550 --> 00:46:50,840 And so they got their congregation to sponsor it. 789 00:46:50,840 --> 00:46:55,340 So basically, if you want to get one 790 00:46:55,340 --> 00:46:58,180 and you can't figure out how to do it, just give me a yell. 791 00:46:58,180 --> 00:47:03,740 And we'll try to figure something out. 792 00:47:03,740 --> 00:47:07,101 So are there other questions? 793 00:47:07,101 --> 00:47:08,930 Oh, yes. 794 00:47:08,930 --> 00:47:11,240 Jill said she's not taken the time this year 795 00:47:11,240 --> 00:47:12,570 for professional development. 796 00:47:12,570 --> 00:47:14,570 And she was looking for some inspiration 797 00:47:14,570 --> 00:47:20,550 to keep making time and finding money to continue. 798 00:47:20,550 --> 00:47:22,970 You want to speak to that, Jan? 799 00:47:22,970 --> 00:47:24,510 Jan Gartner: So Jill, I'm not sure 800 00:47:24,510 --> 00:47:30,300 if you're saying that you got it or you're 801 00:47:30,300 --> 00:47:33,385 on this webinar to get it or if I 802 00:47:33,385 --> 00:47:43,050 am meant to say something inspirational in this moment. 803 00:47:43,050 --> 00:47:46,800 For me, I'm a professional development person, 804 00:47:46,800 --> 00:47:49,835 so that keeps me-- oh, good. 805 00:47:49,835 --> 00:47:51,655 She's finding inspiration from the webinar. 806 00:47:51,655 --> 00:47:53,550 Pat Kahn: Yay. 807 00:47:53,550 --> 00:47:57,620 Jan Gartner: I hope that everybody 808 00:47:57,620 --> 00:48:00,160 gets jazzed about learning something new. 809 00:48:00,160 --> 00:48:05,320 Certainly, just about every learning experience I go to, 810 00:48:05,320 --> 00:48:09,800 you just see people who are, they're just engaged. 811 00:48:09,800 --> 00:48:11,220 And they're learning. 812 00:48:11,220 --> 00:48:13,510 And they have "aha" moments. 813 00:48:13,510 --> 00:48:15,470 And it's awesome. 814 00:48:15,470 --> 00:48:17,930 And I'm looking at Bob's comment, 815 00:48:17,930 --> 00:48:20,510 and I'm thinking about this issue of people 816 00:48:20,510 --> 00:48:22,430 who were frustrated because they don't 817 00:48:22,430 --> 00:48:27,950 seem to be able to negotiate for funds to get to things. 818 00:48:27,950 --> 00:48:31,820 And at some point, just like any other aspect of your job, 819 00:48:31,820 --> 00:48:35,780 whether it's your salary or your working hours or whatever, 820 00:48:35,780 --> 00:48:40,360 you have to decide if it's a deal breaker or not. 821 00:48:40,360 --> 00:48:44,760 And certainly, when people are looking for new positions, 822 00:48:44,760 --> 00:48:48,030 it is very attractive when they see 823 00:48:48,030 --> 00:48:51,250 that there is a decent professional expense line 824 00:48:51,250 --> 00:48:54,590 or that the minister even says, you know, 825 00:48:54,590 --> 00:48:57,910 I'm really eager for you to make sure you 826 00:48:57,910 --> 00:49:00,450 go to the LREDA conference. 827 00:49:00,450 --> 00:49:03,180 There are ways of congregations signaling 828 00:49:03,180 --> 00:49:05,090 that they're very receptive. 829 00:49:05,090 --> 00:49:09,820 And also, certainly, if you, as an applicant for a new job, 830 00:49:09,820 --> 00:49:14,950 say I'm always interested in continuing to grow and learn, 831 00:49:14,950 --> 00:49:18,240 can you tell me what's in place for that, 832 00:49:18,240 --> 00:49:20,890 whether it's a dollar amount or what kinds of things 833 00:49:20,890 --> 00:49:23,260 they typically would expect, that'll 834 00:49:23,260 --> 00:49:26,300 give you a clue about whether that congregation is 835 00:49:26,300 --> 00:49:28,740 going to feel like a good fit for you. 836 00:49:28,740 --> 00:49:31,470 And if you get two offers, that could 837 00:49:31,470 --> 00:49:39,340 be even a deciding factor. 838 00:49:39,340 --> 00:49:41,890 Yeah, being in person is better. 839 00:49:41,890 --> 00:49:47,970 I'm going to echo what Pat said about the cool thing 840 00:49:47,970 --> 00:49:51,320 about the online things that span over time because we're 841 00:49:51,320 --> 00:49:56,090 running the interim professional training as an online training 842 00:49:56,090 --> 00:49:56,760 now, too. 843 00:49:56,760 --> 00:49:59,320 And it runs over a course of about a month, where 844 00:49:59,320 --> 00:50:03,160 it used to be everybody showed up and did it in two days. 845 00:50:03,160 --> 00:50:08,990 And just the depth of engagement and the way people 846 00:50:08,990 --> 00:50:12,360 take things away from it, I think there's really 847 00:50:12,360 --> 00:50:13,780 something to be said for it. 848 00:50:13,780 --> 00:50:15,880 There's nothing like being in a room with people. 849 00:50:15,880 --> 00:50:20,890 But hands down, the online stuff that takes place 850 00:50:20,890 --> 00:50:25,010 in pieces over time has a huge advantage, 851 00:50:25,010 --> 00:50:27,570 I think, in terms of really feeling 852 00:50:27,570 --> 00:50:30,240 like you're able to integrate it and not 853 00:50:30,240 --> 00:50:34,180 just leaving with your head about to explode. 854 00:50:34,180 --> 00:50:36,110 Pat Kahn: Right, and I'll just chime in there 855 00:50:36,110 --> 00:50:40,430 to say that the online stuff is just 856 00:50:40,430 --> 00:50:43,530 a way to make specifically Renaissance 857 00:50:43,530 --> 00:50:47,990 modules, in my case, more accessible to more people. 858 00:50:47,990 --> 00:50:53,840 When we first field tested the history Renaissance module, 859 00:50:53,840 --> 00:50:59,286 I participated as a participant because I 860 00:50:59,286 --> 00:51:01,160 wanted to see what it was going to feel like. 861 00:51:01,160 --> 00:51:02,535 And I wanted to make sure that we 862 00:51:02,535 --> 00:51:04,950 had the right information in the participant guide 863 00:51:04,950 --> 00:51:06,300 and things like that. 864 00:51:06,300 --> 00:51:11,110 And boy, at the end of the 16 weeks, 865 00:51:11,110 --> 00:51:18,465 we were all really amazed at how deep the connections had been. 866 00:51:18,465 --> 00:51:24,930 With the online version of it, you can't have too many people. 867 00:51:24,930 --> 00:51:30,090 So I think mostly what we've seen is that 8 to 10 868 00:51:30,090 --> 00:51:31,840 is the right amount. 869 00:51:31,840 --> 00:51:36,050 And it was really neat, the kind of community 870 00:51:36,050 --> 00:51:39,140 that evolved from that. 871 00:51:39,140 --> 00:51:43,340 But as Jill says, being in person, 872 00:51:43,340 --> 00:51:45,030 there's a lot to be said for that. 873 00:51:45,030 --> 00:51:49,550 So invariably, when I go through the evaluations for Renaissance 874 00:51:49,550 --> 00:51:53,860 modules and we say, what was most important to you 875 00:51:53,860 --> 00:51:57,800 during this module, almost every single person 876 00:51:57,800 --> 00:52:00,907 says, just the time being with my colleagues. 877 00:52:00,907 --> 00:52:03,240 And then, oh, yeah, and I learned this other stuff, too. 878 00:52:03,240 --> 00:52:06,780 But I'll have people say, it wouldn't 879 00:52:06,780 --> 00:52:09,220 have made a difference what module this was 880 00:52:09,220 --> 00:52:11,320 or what I learned, the most important thing 881 00:52:11,320 --> 00:52:14,700 was being with other people. 882 00:52:14,700 --> 00:52:17,640 Because we all know that being in a congregation 883 00:52:17,640 --> 00:52:20,570 can be kind of isolating sometimes. 884 00:52:20,570 --> 00:52:23,890 So anyway that you can deal with that isolation, 885 00:52:23,890 --> 00:52:27,490 whether it's in person with a cluster meeting of some kind 886 00:52:27,490 --> 00:52:30,340 or building community online, I think 887 00:52:30,340 --> 00:52:34,840 that's an important thing. 888 00:52:34,840 --> 00:52:35,340 Oh, good. 889 00:52:35,340 --> 00:52:38,990 I'm glad you find that encouraging. 890 00:52:38,990 --> 00:52:41,180 Yeah, I'm trying to figure out a way 891 00:52:41,180 --> 00:52:46,300 to share some of these comments. 892 00:52:46,300 --> 00:52:48,840 The other ones that I've really enjoyed reading-- these 893 00:52:48,840 --> 00:52:51,180 have come from the history online module 894 00:52:51,180 --> 00:52:54,430 as well-- people saying, well, I really 895 00:52:54,430 --> 00:52:57,860 took this just because I should have it for credentialing 896 00:52:57,860 --> 00:53:00,930 or I should have it so I understand history better. 897 00:53:00,930 --> 00:53:03,200 But I'm not really a history person. 898 00:53:03,200 --> 00:53:07,200 And then, they talk about how excited and engaged 899 00:53:07,200 --> 00:53:11,680 they were because it's not a, you know, 900 00:53:11,680 --> 00:53:15,220 memorize a timeline and what are the important dates 901 00:53:15,220 --> 00:53:16,640 and all of that kind of stuff. 902 00:53:16,640 --> 00:53:21,050 The approach is really similar to the Tapestry of Faith adult 903 00:53:21,050 --> 00:53:25,034 program, Faith Like a River. 904 00:53:25,034 --> 00:53:26,450 I knew there was a river in there. 905 00:53:26,450 --> 00:53:27,880 I was trying to remember. 906 00:53:27,880 --> 00:53:31,930 Where it explores really themes throughout our history, 907 00:53:31,930 --> 00:53:34,550 as opposed to chronological. 908 00:53:34,550 --> 00:53:38,840 So at any rate, that's another plug for the online history 909 00:53:38,840 --> 00:53:44,620 module. 910 00:53:44,620 --> 00:53:47,890 Jan Gartner: Yeah, it was my first module. 911 00:53:47,890 --> 00:53:52,720 I had never heard of anybody. 912 00:53:52,720 --> 00:53:53,770 20 years ago. 913 00:53:53,770 --> 00:53:54,270 Wow. 914 00:53:54,270 --> 00:53:56,179 Pat Kahn: Plenty. 915 00:53:56,179 --> 00:53:57,720 Jan Gartner: I probably would do well 916 00:53:57,720 --> 00:54:00,140 to go back and take the online one now 917 00:54:00,140 --> 00:54:03,410 because that one was overwhelming to me 918 00:54:03,410 --> 00:54:07,615 as a first module as a very new religious educator in the form 919 00:54:07,615 --> 00:54:08,530 I took it. 920 00:54:08,530 --> 00:54:11,090 Pat Kahn: Right, and to cover how many hundreds 921 00:54:11,090 --> 00:54:19,240 of years, once again, in 15 hours, it's a little difficult. 922 00:54:19,240 --> 00:54:19,960 Great. 923 00:54:19,960 --> 00:54:32,882 Jan Gartner: Other curiosities or questions or comments? 924 00:54:32,882 --> 00:54:35,090 Pat Kahn: Well, if you do you think of something even 925 00:54:35,090 --> 00:54:38,990 after we've gotten off, you can either email Jan, 926 00:54:38,990 --> 00:54:43,800 jgartner@uua.org, or feel free to email me as well. 927 00:54:43,800 --> 00:54:48,510 As I said, Jan and I talk a lot anyway, so we can-- 928 00:54:48,510 --> 00:54:50,360 Jan Gartner: To each other you mean, right? 929 00:54:50,360 --> 00:54:51,070 Ha, ha. 930 00:54:51,070 --> 00:54:52,120 Pat Kahn: Yes, exactly. 931 00:54:52,120 --> 00:54:53,710 That's exactly what I meant. 932 00:54:53,710 --> 00:54:56,110 I'm glad you clarified that, Jan. 933 00:54:56,110 --> 00:54:57,910 We actually both do talk a lot anyway. 934 00:54:57,910 --> 00:55:00,300 But yes, to each other. 935 00:55:00,300 --> 00:55:05,070 So we can help you and basically answer any other questions 936 00:55:05,070 --> 00:55:08,180 that might come up for you. 937 00:55:08,180 --> 00:55:16,860 So with that, Jan, do you have any parting words? 938 00:55:16,860 --> 00:55:21,450 Jan Gartner: I just want to say thank you again to each of you 939 00:55:21,450 --> 00:55:22,890 for making this time. 940 00:55:22,890 --> 00:55:26,660 That is a hopeful sign that you'll 941 00:55:26,660 --> 00:55:30,820 make other time for your ongoing professional development 942 00:55:30,820 --> 00:55:34,010 and find it rejuvenating for you. 943 00:55:34,010 --> 00:55:35,950 So thank you again for being here. 944 00:55:35,950 --> 00:55:37,820 And keep in touch. 945 00:55:37,820 --> 00:55:42,574 And thanks to Pat and Alicia for having me. 946 00:55:42,574 --> 00:55:43,240 Pat Kahn: Great. 947 00:55:43,240 --> 00:55:44,300 Thank you. 948 00:55:44,300 --> 00:55:47,070 Jan Gartner: All right. 949 00:55:47,070 --> 00:55:48,340 Pat Kahn: Goodbye, everybody. 950 00:55:48,340 --> 00:55:50,190 Jan Gartner: Take care.